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Jan 13, 2019 22:32:21   #
debeda
 
Hadenough wrote:
you are a hypocrite! Why all the protection around your house, paranoid? Yet you think anyone that wants to protect our country is unreasonable. Why are you so concerned about intruders, invite them in and support them.
Law suits from 2006 pertaining to a wall, isn't that amazing the problem has been around that long and nothing has been done. Now that we have a President that isn't about kicking the can down the road, everyone is against it. Start looking at videos from back then and see all the dems that were for a wall. Now their hate for President Trump will jeopardize our countries safety.
Look up the word "negotiate" both parties have to be willing to talk and make compromise, I didn't see peeloosly and upchuck attempting to talk. It was their way or the highway.
We won't get into liars, you're halfrican and kilLIARy told so many lies all the sheeple got brainwashed by them! You dems/libs/progs are the most hateful people!
You can continue with your dem 5D mode Disrupt, Deny, Deceive, Deflect and Delusional!


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Jan 14, 2019 03:17:42   #
JoyV
 
BBianch wrote:
Most undocumented immigrants in this country did not enter the U.S. at the Southern border.

And they didn't enter near the border town of McAllen, Texas, which the president visited Thursday during the 20th day of a partial government shutdown fought over constructing additional barriers on the Southern border.

When it comes to people in the country without proper documentation, the majority of them didn't cross the Mexican border at all. Most of them came to the United States legally — but then don't leave.

About 700,000 travelers to the United States overstayed their visas in fiscal 2017, the most recent year for which the Department of Homeland Security has published figures. DHS estimated that, as of Sept. 30, 2017, the end of that fiscal year, more than 600,000 of those travelers were still in the U.S.

During that same year, there were just 300,000 apprehensions along the Southern border, according to Customs and Border Protection — the lowest number since 1971.

Visa overstays have outnumbered people who enter the country illegally at the Southern border every year since 2007, according to a report by the Center for Migration Studies. The report's authors estimate that the number of total visa overstays was 600,000 more than the total number of border crossers and that in 2014, visa overstays accounted for two-thirds of all new undocumented immigrants.

Immigrants traveling through Mexico, of course, take up much of the public's attention on the issue of illegal immigration. And they do account for almost all people apprehended by CBP, which includes the Border Patrol. (Immigration and Customs Enforcement largely works in the interior of the country.)

Those caught by the U.S. government can apply for asylum if they can claim a credible fear that their lives would be in danger by returning to their home countries; some immigrants, in fact, turn themselves in to federal agents to do so.

"A growing percentage of border crossers in recent years have originated in the Northern Triangle states of Central America," wrote Robert Warren and Donald Kerwin of the Center for Migration Studies. "These migrants are fleeing pervasive violence, persecution and poverty, and a large number do not seek to evade arrest, but present themselves to border officials and request political asylum. Many are de facto refugees, not illegal border crossers," the authors wrote.

In 2017, the Border Patrol employed more than 19,000 agents, almost double the number in fiscal 2003. And the agency's budget grew from $263 million in 1990 to more $3.8 billion in 2016, according to the American Immigration Council. The budget for Customs and Border Protection — which includes the Border Patrol — has grown from $5.9 billion in 2003 to $13.2 billion in 2016.

At the same time, apprehensions at the Southern border have declined — from a high of more than 1.6 million in 2000 to just over 300,000 in 2017.

Does the wall deter crossings?

CBP data shows that the number of people that agents have caught has decreased across the board — not just in areas where the government constructed barriers.

Both the El Paso and Rio Grande sectors have physical barriers in place to prevent illegal crossings into the United States. Pedestrian fencing stretches to both sides of the city of El Paso in West Texas, with vehicle barriers along much of the rest of the New Mexico border. In south Texas, pedestrian fencing dots the area around McAllen and expands most of the way from there to the Gulf of Mexico.

The Tucson sector, which covers most of Arizona and is almost completely blocked by vehicle and pedestrian fencing, has seen a recent increase in apprehensions. In fiscal 2018, CBP caught about 52,000 people there, including an estimated 5,000 unaccompanied minors.

The sector of the Southwestern border with the fewest apprehensions, on the other hand, has almost no fencing. The Big Bend sector, starting in West Texas and extending about halfway down the state, is the largest individual sector guarded by CBP. The rough terrain of the mountain ranges and the Chihuahuan Desert make it a difficult place to cross. In fiscal 2018, CBP apprehended just 8,000 people there.

There is no southern border “crises” and an absence of any factual information supporting that claim.
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The left keeps making the claim that more people are here illegally from overstaying their visas than crossing the southern border, so there is no need for adding security at the border. The numbers do not back up the claim!

Yes the recent DHS report listed just over 700,000 overstaying their visas. The majority from Canada. So lets look at the DHS figures for CBP enforcement stats. 2018 averaged close to 60,000 apprehensions between ports of entry per month (past three months over 60,000). That is about the same number as visa overstays. But that only accounts for 'apprehensions' between ports of entry on the southern border. Add 10,000 per month inadmissibles at ports of entry; and about ~8,000 per month between ports of entry at the Canadian border. But how many successfully invaded? CBP estimates that those apprehended account for 67% of illegal entries between ports of entry. They use the term "got aways" for the estimated successful entries. If 67% between POEs are caught, that give 33% between POEs are got aways. So add another ~19,000. Then there is maritime illegal entries. The most recent figures I see recorded in the DHS report are from 2016 which are ~10,000. Since all other numbers have gone up in 2018, this figure must be more as well. But I'll use it as I don't know how much more nor even have a guess. So to add it all:

60,000/mo between POE-southern border
10,000/mo inadmissibles at POE-southern border
~8,000/mo between POE-northern border
~19,000/mo got aways
10,000/mo maritime
Total/mo is ~107,000/mo
Multiply by 12 to get the year estimate and the figure is 1,284,000.

So tell us again how there are far more people here illegally who overstay their visas?

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_0718_PLCY_FY2017-Border-Security-Metrics-Report.pdf

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Jan 14, 2019 03:28:45   #
JoyV
 
Louie27 wrote:
Where are the statistics for people illegally crossing the southern border and not being caught? That number could equal or even exceed the number caught.


CBP has a formula they used based on observations from TARS, drones, civilian reports, and agent observation. They calculate they apprehend about 67% of illegal aliens. Of course that figure should be lower due to the unknown unobserved successful border crossers.

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Jan 14, 2019 03:50:22   #
JoyV
 
alabuck wrote:
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Hysterical post!

But, allow me to ask, since Trumpet’s wall is designed to keep illlegals out, why didn’t you didn’t mention if your wall kept any illegals out? Also, once you took down your wall, why did your dogs find it necessary to run away? Have you been mistreating them? If not, why would they run at the first opportunity?

I have 2 dogs and my yard has no fence around it. Whenever I take my dogs out, they stay in their own yard. I don’t have to worry about either of them running away, being caught by the dog catcher, biting the neighbor’s kid, or being hit by a car.

I do, however, have CCTV security cameras located around my house and property to detect any intruders. I keep my weapons ready and nearby in case someone comes onto my property with what I may deem, nefarious intentions. My simply asking them what they’re doing is enough to get their attention. Of course, I have recorded them and have pictures of them should I feel it necessary to report them to the police.

Oddly, too, I haven’t had the first illegal come onto my property. Thus far, it’s just been neighborhood kids passing through to get the their respective houses. None of them have been the least bit destructive, either. So, no problem.

So, it seems you’re not building a wall to keep people from coming onto your property, instead, you’re building the wall to keep your runaway dogs from getting out. According to your post, it appears that’s the real purpose of your wall to begin with. This tells me you’re just too lazy to train your dogs to stay on your property. LOL!

If you want to be afraid of some straw man, invented by Trumpet, just to give him a way to have you and I pay for a totally unneeded wall, just to give him another “Trump Tower” along the southern border, then go ahead. Be ignorant. Let Trumpet make a total fool of you. Waste you. Only on something that’ll be breached before its even begun being built.

I hope, too, that you will understand if all those land owners along the Rio Grande continue with their law suits AGAINST the parts of the wall that were approved in 2006. Plus, the hundreds more that’ll be filed soon against Trumpet taking their land via eminent domaine.

Why is it that most of you Trumpeteers fail to mention that part of the wall building? Why is it that you don’t seem to care about your fellow citizens who’ll have their land stolen by Trumpet, just for the sake of his “vanity project?” He doesn’t care one iota about border security. All he wants is a big wall with his name, in lights, on it.

If he did care, he’d be willing to negotiate. He’s the one who said he’d shut down the government if he didn’t get his way. It’s all on video. He said he’d take ownership of the government closing. It, too, is all on video. If he’s such a great negotiator, why did he walk away from the last round of negotiations?

The only thing Trumpet is good at is LYING. At that, he excels! I’ll give him that! He’s the best LIAR I’ve ever had the misfortune know about. and, to add to that, his base is the absolute best at believing whatever spews from his mouth. I’ll give you all that, too! You’re the world’s most credulous people; and seemingly, proud of it, too!

Again, funny post!
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You wrote, "Oddly, too, I haven’t had the first illegal come onto my property. Thus far, it’s just been neighborhood kids passing through to get the their respective houses." Sounds like you live in a suburban neighborhood. Not the typical place trains of illegals hike through with packs of drugs on their back guarded by others with automatic weapons. Nor groups of illegals being herded by human traffickers. That you haven't had any of them come on to your property is meaningless so far as the reality of the invasion.

You wrote, "I hope, too, that you will understand if all those land owners along the Rio Grande continue with their law suits AGAINST the parts of the wall that were approved in 2006. Plus, the hundreds more that’ll be filed soon against Trumpet taking their land via eminent domaine.

Why is it that most of you Trumpeteers fail to mention that part of the wall building?"

Because that part was NOT built under Trump!!!! Trump wants a SECURE BORDER not to infringe on American's constitutional guarantees. The idiocy and unconstitutionality of what was done can't be set at Trump's door.

You wrote, "If he did care, he’d be willing to negotiate."

Negotiate the security of our country, and its people??? NO!!!! One of the main reasons many voted for him was his promise to do all he could to secure our borders!

You know Trump? Socially, professionally, or are you one of the recipients of his largess? I can't say I know him personally or professionally. But he helped a friend of mine whose husband died in the line of duty. She had no connection to him but after her husband's death she received a condolence letter and a gift of funds for her and college tuition for her kids. He was known for doing such things for families of fallen cops and firemen.

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Jan 14, 2019 07:41:25   #
cbpat1
 
alabuck wrote:
——————-

Hysterical post!

But, allow me to ask, since Trumpet’s wall is designed to keep illlegals out, why didn’t you didn’t mention if your wall kept any illegals out? Also, once you took down your wall, why did your dogs find it necessary to run away? Have you been mistreating them? If not, why would they run at the first opportunity?

I have 2 dogs and my yard has no fence around it. Whenever I take my dogs out, they stay in their own yard. I don’t have to worry about either of them running away, being caught by the dog catcher, biting the neighbor’s kid, or being hit by a car.

I do, however, have CCTV security cameras located around my house and property to detect any intruders. I keep my weapons ready and nearby in case someone comes onto my property with what I may deem, nefarious intentions. My simply asking them what they’re doing is enough to get their attention. Of course, I have recorded them and have pictures of them should I feel it necessary to report them to the police.

Oddly, too, I haven’t had the first illegal come onto my property. Thus far, it’s just been neighborhood kids passing through to get the their respective houses. None of them have been the least bit destructive, either. So, no problem.

So, it seems you’re not building a wall to keep people from coming onto your property, instead, you’re building the wall to keep your runaway dogs from getting out. According to your post, it appears that’s the real purpose of your wall to begin with. This tells me you’re just too lazy to train your dogs to stay on your property. LOL!

If you want to be afraid of some straw man, invented by Trumpet, just to give him a way to have you and I pay for a totally unneeded wall, just to give him another “Trump Tower” along the southern border, then go ahead. Be ignorant. Let Trumpet make a total fool of you. Waste you. Only on something that’ll be breached before its even begun being built.

I hope, too, that you will understand if all those land owners along the Rio Grande continue with their law suits AGAINST the parts of the wall that were approved in 2006. Plus, the hundreds more that’ll be filed soon against Trumpet taking their land via eminent domaine.

Why is it that most of you Trumpeteers fail to mention that part of the wall building? Why is it that you don’t seem to care about your fellow citizens who’ll have their land stolen by Trumpet, just for the sake of his “vanity project?” He doesn’t care one iota about border security. All he wants is a big wall with his name, in lights, on it.

If he did care, he’d be willing to negotiate. He’s the one who said he’d shut down the government if he didn’t get his way. It’s all on video. He said he’d take ownership of the government closing. It, too, is all on video. If he’s such a great negotiator, why did he walk away from the last round of negotiations?

The only thing Trumpet is good at is LYING. At that, he excels! I’ll give him that! He’s the best LIAR I’ve ever had the misfortune know about. and, to add to that, his base is the absolute best at believing whatever spews from his mouth. I’ll give you all that, too! You’re the world’s most credulous people; and seemingly, proud of it, too!

Again, funny post!
——————- br br Hysterical post! br br But, allow ... (show quote)



I was just trying to have a little fun. Everyone here has been so nasty lately, I thought a little humor might be in order for a post or two. Nothing too serious with this post.

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Jan 14, 2019 11:07:08   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
JoyV wrote:
The left keeps making the claim that more people are here illegally from overstaying their visas than crossing the southern border, so there is no need for adding security at the border. The numbers do not back up the claim!

Yes the recent DHS report listed just over 700,000 overstaying their visas. The majority from Canada. So lets look at the DHS figures for CBP enforcement stats. 2018 averaged close to 60,000 apprehensions between ports of entry per month (past three months over 60,000). That is about the same number as visa overstays. But that only accounts for 'apprehensions' between ports of entry on the southern border. Add 10,000 per month inadmissibles at ports of entry; and about ~8,000 per month between ports of entry at the Canadian border. But how many successfully invaded? CBP estimates that those apprehended account for 67% of illegal entries between ports of entry. They use the term "got aways" for the estimated successful entries. If 67% between POEs are caught, that give 33% between POEs are got aways. So add another ~19,000. Then there is maritime illegal entries. The most recent figures I see recorded in the DHS report are from 2016 which are ~10,000. Since all other numbers have gone up in 2018, this figure must be more as well. But I'll use it as I don't know how much more nor even have a guess. So to add it all:

60,000/mo between POE-southern border
10,000/mo inadmissibles at POE-southern border
~8,000/mo between POE-northern border
~19,000/mo got aways
10,000/mo maritime
Total/mo is ~107,000/mo
Multiply by 12 to get the year estimate and the figure is 1,284,000.

So tell us again how there are far more people here illegally who overstay their visas?

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_0718_PLCY_FY2017-Border-Security-Metrics-Report.pdf
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Very nice! It is good to see the math refuting Liberal BS talking points.

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Jan 14, 2019 13:30:35   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
BBianch wrote:
Most undocumented immigrants in this country did not enter the U.S. at the Southern border.



If they entered the country legally using visas and then failed to leave.. Aren't they documented illegal immigrants? We know they are here and we certainly should know, if the bureaucrats are doing their jobs, that they didn't leave. Or, are you saying that the bureaucrats are not capable of doing their jobs of tracking when people come and go? Sneaking across the border is totally different thing. You have documented legal immigrants, documented illegal immigrants, and undocumented illegal immigrants.

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Jan 14, 2019 13:39:50   #
bahmer
 
Strycker wrote:
If they entered the country legally using visas and then failed to leave.. Aren't they documented illegal immigrants? We know they are here and we certainly should know, if the bureaucrats are doing their jobs, that they didn't leave. Or, are you saying that the bureaucrats are not capable of doing their jobs of tracking when people come and go? Sneaking across the border is totally different thing. You have documented legal immigrants, documented illegal immigrants, and undocumented illegal immigrants.
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Yep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez doesn't want to track them by just their VISA's nyt she wants to give them MasterCard's as well that way they will be easier to track because they will be using both cards.

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Jan 14, 2019 16:57:02   #
debeda
 
bahmer wrote:
Yep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez doesn't want to track them by just their VISA's nyt she wants to give them MasterCard's as well that way they will be easier to track because they will be using both cards.


Lolololololololhahahahahaha

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Jan 14, 2019 18:02:30   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Strycker wrote:
If they entered the country legally using visas and then failed to leave.. Aren't they documented illegal immigrants? We know they are here and we certainly should know, if the bureaucrats are doing their jobs, that they didn't leave. Or, are you saying that the bureaucrats are not capable of doing their jobs of tracking when people come and go? Sneaking across the border is totally different thing. You have documented legal immigrants, documented illegal immigrants, and undocumented illegal immigrants.
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Entering on a Visa says you are a visitor, not an immigrant. If you overstay that Visa you are committing a crime and now have the status of illegal visitor, not immigrant.

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Jan 14, 2019 20:11:24   #
EmilyD
 
sisboombaa wrote:
So sorry to hear of your failed experiment. Hope you learned a lessen which is never ever follow advice from Kevyn. One wonders how many other people have been led astray by Kevyn only to suffer. Perhaps the government should pass a law requiring that Kevyn be covered with warning labels.

Love it! Good lesson to learn: Never follow Kevyn's advice

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Jan 14, 2019 20:21:14   #
EmilyD
 
BBianch wrote:
Most undocumented immigrants in this country did not enter the U.S. at the Southern border.

And they didn't enter near the border town of McAllen, Texas, which the president visited Thursday during the 20th day of a partial government shutdown fought over constructing additional barriers on the Southern border.

When it comes to people in the country without proper documentation, the majority of them didn't cross the Mexican border at all. Most of them came to the United States legally — but then don't leave.

About 700,000 travelers to the United States overstayed their visas in fiscal 2017, the most recent year for which the Department of Homeland Security has published figures. DHS estimated that, as of Sept. 30, 2017, the end of that fiscal year, more than 600,000 of those travelers were still in the U.S.

During that same year, there were just 300,000 apprehensions along the Southern border, according to Customs and Border Protection — the lowest number since 1971.

Visa overstays have outnumbered people who enter the country illegally at the Southern border every year since 2007, according to a report by the Center for Migration Studies. The report's authors estimate that the number of total visa overstays was 600,000 more than the total number of border crossers and that in 2014, visa overstays accounted for two-thirds of all new undocumented immigrants.

Immigrants traveling through Mexico, of course, take up much of the public's attention on the issue of illegal immigration. And they do account for almost all people apprehended by CBP, which includes the Border Patrol. (Immigration and Customs Enforcement largely works in the interior of the country.)

Those caught by the U.S. government can apply for asylum if they can claim a credible fear that their lives would be in danger by returning to their home countries; some immigrants, in fact, turn themselves in to federal agents to do so.

"A growing percentage of border crossers in recent years have originated in the Northern Triangle states of Central America," wrote Robert Warren and Donald Kerwin of the Center for Migration Studies. "These migrants are fleeing pervasive violence, persecution and poverty, and a large number do not seek to evade arrest, but present themselves to border officials and request political asylum. Many are de facto refugees, not illegal border crossers," the authors wrote.

In 2017, the Border Patrol employed more than 19,000 agents, almost double the number in fiscal 2003. And the agency's budget grew from $263 million in 1990 to more $3.8 billion in 2016, according to the American Immigration Council. The budget for Customs and Border Protection — which includes the Border Patrol — has grown from $5.9 billion in 2003 to $13.2 billion in 2016.

At the same time, apprehensions at the Southern border have declined — from a high of more than 1.6 million in 2000 to just over 300,000 in 2017.

Does the wall deter crossings?

CBP data shows that the number of people that agents have caught has decreased across the board — not just in areas where the government constructed barriers.

Both the El Paso and Rio Grande sectors have physical barriers in place to prevent illegal crossings into the United States. Pedestrian fencing stretches to both sides of the city of El Paso in West Texas, with vehicle barriers along much of the rest of the New Mexico border. In south Texas, pedestrian fencing dots the area around McAllen and expands most of the way from there to the Gulf of Mexico.

The Tucson sector, which covers most of Arizona and is almost completely blocked by vehicle and pedestrian fencing, has seen a recent increase in apprehensions. In fiscal 2018, CBP caught about 52,000 people there, including an estimated 5,000 unaccompanied minors.

The sector of the Southwestern border with the fewest apprehensions, on the other hand, has almost no fencing. The Big Bend sector, starting in West Texas and extending about halfway down the state, is the largest individual sector guarded by CBP. The rough terrain of the mountain ranges and the Chihuahuan Desert make it a difficult place to cross. In fiscal 2018, CBP apprehended just 8,000 people there.

There is no southern border “crises” and an absence of any factual information supporting that claim.
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From your post: "When it comes to people in the country without proper documentation, the majority of them didn't cross the Mexican border at all. Most of them came to the United States legally — but then don't leave."

When someone has a visa permit to come to the US legally, but then doesn't leave, they become an illegal alien on the date their visa expires. Which, of course, once they are here, the illegal person doesn't care about the visa expiring. It is one of the most abused programs of our immigration laws, and something that needs to be fixed. After the wall is built, that is the first thing I think Trump should address.

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Jan 14, 2019 20:22:58   #
EmilyD
 
bahmer wrote:
Yep Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez doesn't want to track them by just their VISA's nyt she wants to give them MasterCard's as well that way they will be easier to track because they will be using both cards.

HAHAHA! FUNNY!!

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Jan 15, 2019 01:07:11   #
Nickolai
 
son of witless wrote:
Speaker Pelosi " A wall is an immorality. It's not who we are as a nation. It's an old way of thinking. "

What is immoral about a wall protecting a nation's border ? This woman is a total Left wing Freak.





The irony is the words on the Statue of liberty in a nation that has to imprison its self behind walls

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Jan 15, 2019 01:12:55   #
Nickolai
 
debeda wrote:
And you're obviously a libbie. You have no sense of humor and take everything literally, kinda like a 3 year old






Don't make me laugh. Why are all the comedy shows lean left ? Because Libs are the ones with a sense of humor The conservatives I know --their faces would crack if they had to smile.

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