Rose42

The translation of the Greek word means to lead into not abandon. The prayer as is doesn't portray God in a false light.

The Vatican under Pope Francis will soon be implementing a change to the Lord's Prayer, also known as the Pater Noster, switching out the line "lead us not into temptation" for the Francis-approved "abandon us not into temptation."

According to the U.K.'s Express, the change to the Lord's Prayer comes after 16 years of research by experts who found a mistake in the current translation "from a theological, pastoral and stylistic viewpoint." It has been translated into literally hundreds of languages from the original texts in ancient Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic.

Last year around Christmas, Pope Francis spoke of his desire to update the "lead us not into temptation" part of the Lord's Prayer, arguing that it portrays God in a false light. "A father does not lead into temptation, a father helps you to get up immediately," the Pope said at the time.

"It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation," he added.

Pope Francis also asserted that other translations had already been changed to correct mistakes and to modernize the language. "The French have modified the prayer to ‘do not let me fall into temptation’, because it is me who falls, not the Lord who tempts me to then see how I fall," he said.

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https://www.dailywire.com/news/39222/pope-francis-implementing-change-lords-prayer-lead-paul-bois

bahmer

I read this earlier and wonder how far the Roman Catholic Church will allow him to go?

Rose42

Probably as far as he wants since they think he's infallible.

It looks like they want to shore up their numbers by being more accomodating. Setting the stage for the antichrist?

bahmer

Amen and Amen

pafret Loc: Northeast

That exact point occurred to me when I was a child and learning the Pater Noster for the first time. Why would GOD who loves me lead me into temptation?

Rose42

I don't remember thinking of it as God leading me into temptation. He doesn't tempt us but he will let us be tempted and put into situations that will test us. They way I've heard it explained is this is a plea for that not to happen - that we aren't faced with tough tests or trials. I don't remember how Catholics explain it.

pafret Loc: Northeast

It was explained as praying that we would not be subject to temptations.

Radiance3

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Another copied and pasted article from the IT.
Protestants are changing the history of Christ Church.
1. They ignore the real date, made their own.
2. They fabricate, and falsified events to cover-up and justify their claims of taking over.
3. The Pope did not change" The Lord's Prayer", we are till praying the same words of the Lord's Prayer.
4. They judge the Sacred Traditions carried on the Church of Christ. Sola Scriptura don't have permission from Christ to teach the Gospel to avoid multi-interpretations of Christ's Scriptures. Protestants all over the world changed that.

bahmer

What is the IT you keep talking about I am unfamiliar with it?

Rose42

I think she means the internet. She doesn't read anything or she'd see that the article wasn't critical of the pope nor did it make anything up. It was just a simple news report.

bahmer

Thank you I get it now. It is all the world against the Roman Catholic Church correct. Now it is all of the protestant churches against the Roman Catholic Church irregardless of what the Roman Catholic church did first. Poor little Radiance everybody is picking on her.

Rose42

I don't think she understands its just the doctrine - not her.

Doc is quite the manic poster. I'm sure one of the latest is another from Dave Armstrong. Mr. Armstrong is unfortunately letting himself be used by Satan. Doc just doesn't recognize it. Its amazing that intelligent people can buy into obvious lies and spend an inordinate amount of time and a lot of superfluous words defending those lies.

bahmer

It would be so much easier to just follow Jesus's teaching and follow the bible and get rid of all of this pagan mumbo jumbo and follow the truth. But I guess that doing so would in their mind be admitting defeat.

Radiance3

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You falsify and create fabrications and lies about the Pope changing "The Lord's Prayer." We are the Catholics and so far, there is no word of letter ever changed in the Lord's Prayer". We pray the Lord's prayer every Sunday or any day when we pray in the Church.

You chronic LIAR, you make-up things, how could you have peace of mind with that? I REPEAT, THERE IS NO CHANGE BY THE POPE TO THE LORD' PRAYER.
No change in every word and letter, it has been the same since I grow up until now. We recite it together at the Church.

But you Protestants create all lies to make issues against the Catholic Church.

Shame on all of you LIARS!

bahmer

Thus us not from the protestants but from a news source you can look it up.

The Vatican — under the direction of Pope Francis — will soon change the verbiage in the Lord’s Prayer to clarify God does not, in fact, tempt people.

The pope has taken issue with the phrase, “Lead us not into temptation,” one stanza of the Lord’s Prayer found in Matthew 6:9-13.

According to the Daily Express, experts have been studying the biblical text for 16 years and recently concluded, “from a theological, pastoral and stylistic viewpoint,” the centuries-old wording used in English translations of the Bible is incorrect.

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Rather than translating the line as, “Lead us not into temptation,” the researchers found, the passage should read, “Abandon us not when in temptation.”

The shift in language comes one year after the pontiff argued the wording is “not a good translation.”

“A father doesn’t do that, a father helps you to get up immediately,” Francis said of the line in question. “It’s Satan who leads us into temptation, that’s his department.”

For years, Christians have struggled to understand the actual meaning behind those words in the Lord’s Prayer.

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The late theologian Charles Spurgeon explained during a sermon in 1863 that the word “temptation” in the New Testament passage actually holds two meanings, both the actual temptation toward sin and the facing of trials.

While Spurgeon made clear God does not tempt us, he does make the case God will often send us into trials and situations in which temptation toward sin is all but guaranteed.

“God tempts no man,” Spurgeon said. “For God to tempt in the sense of enticing to sin [is] inconsistent with his nature, and altogether contrary to his known character; but for God to lead us into those conflicts with evil which we call temptations, is not only possible but usual.”

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The 19th century preacher went on to say God will lead us “to battlefields where we must face the full array of evil, and conquer through the blood of the Lamb; and this leading into temptation is by divine grace overruled for our good, since by being tempted we grow strong in grace and patience.”

For example, Jesus himself endured the kind of circumstances referenced in the Lord’s Prayer. In Matthew 4:1, the Son of God was “led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.” The “Spirit” in the passage was referring to one part of the triune God — the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

It’s obvious the Holy Spirit wasn’t tempting Jesus because to do so would be to abandon the triune God’s immovable nature. But in that space — “the wilderness” — Satan was responsible for tempting Jesus.