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Were the early Christians Catholics? The Roman Catholic church was created in 314 A.D.
Dec 14, 2018 09:07:44 #
Rose42 wrote:
What books? Others cite sources but you haven't.
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Why do you think I just manufactured those historical events? There are various authors listed there, check them out. Do you know how to read?
Dec 14, 2018 09:48:03 #
Venus3 wrote:
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Why do you think I just manufactured those historical events? There are various authors listed there, check them out. Do you know how to read?
Why do you think I just manufactured those historical events? There are various authors listed there, check them out. Do you know how to read?
It's a pretty simple thing to understand. I asked for citations and you still refuse to provide them.
Dec 14, 2018 14:07:35 #
Rose42 wrote:
What books? Others cite sources but you haven't.
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Here's the source to spoon feed you dumbbell. They have the complete history, and they only publish the truth.
Hope of Israel Ministries -- Taking the Lead in the Search for Truth!
Dec 15, 2018 09:30:55 #
Venus3 wrote:
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Here's the source to spoon feed you dumbbell. They have the complete history, and they only publish the truth.
Hope of Israel Ministries -- Taking the Lead in the Search for Truth!
Here's the source to spoon feed you dumbbell. They have the complete history, and they only publish the truth.
Hope of Israel Ministries -- Taking the Lead in the Search for Truth!
How do you know they only publish truth? What do you know about them? After all, you claimed catholic.org was a protestant hate site.
Dec 15, 2018 10:58:33 #
Please . . . Don’t Call Protestants . . . Christians . . . They Are Heretics
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco
It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”
In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.
Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.
It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.
It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.
Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.
After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.
Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.
Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.
A redundancy if I've ever heard one.
Only Catholics can be true Christians.
No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.
The terms are synonymous.
Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.
Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.
It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.
Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.
A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –
What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?
Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.
To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.
Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:
It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.
No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.
The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.
Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)
Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?
Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.
And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.
The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.
With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.
This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:
A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.
He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”
Scriptures confirm this truth
My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.
“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.
“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”
It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.
Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.
Let me quote just a few verses:
“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”
It could not be clearer:
The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.
Christ establishes one Church with a single head:
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).
St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:
“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).
In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:
“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).
The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”
Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.
Popes reiterate this teaching
The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.
Pius XII stated unequivocally:
“To be Christian one must be Roman.
One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).
How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?
Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.
Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).
Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:
“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.
Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).
Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.
Pope Pius IX stated:
“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).
In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,
The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).
Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.
How to fight Americanism?
Many persons ask me:
What can I do to fight Progressivism?
Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.
Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.
When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”
Stop and correct yourself.
Call him a Protestant.
It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:
Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.
It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.
It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.
The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.
Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.
Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.
Posted on February 6, 2007
Related Topics of Interest
The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco
It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”
In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.
Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.
It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.
It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.
Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.
After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.
Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.
Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.
A redundancy if I've ever heard one.
Only Catholics can be true Christians.
No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.
The terms are synonymous.
Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.
Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.
It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.
Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.
A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –
What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?
Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.
To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.
Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:
It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.
No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.
The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.
Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)
Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?
Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.
And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.
The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.
With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.
This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:
A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.
He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”
Scriptures confirm this truth
My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.
“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.
“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”
It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.
Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.
Let me quote just a few verses:
“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”
It could not be clearer:
The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.
Christ establishes one Church with a single head:
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).
St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:
“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).
In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:
“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).
The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”
Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.
Popes reiterate this teaching
The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.
Pius XII stated unequivocally:
“To be Christian one must be Roman.
One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).
How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?
Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.
Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).
Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:
“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.
Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).
Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.
Pope Pius IX stated:
“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).
In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,
The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).
Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.
How to fight Americanism?
Many persons ask me:
What can I do to fight Progressivism?
Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.
Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.
When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”
Stop and correct yourself.
Call him a Protestant.
It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:
Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.
It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.
It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.
The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.
Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.
Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.
Posted on February 6, 2007
Related Topics of Interest
The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm
Dec 15, 2018 10:59:41 #
Please . . . Don’t Call Protestants . . . Christians . . . They Are Heretics
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco
It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”
In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.
Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.
It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.
It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.
Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.
After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.
Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.
Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.
A redundancy if I've ever heard one.
Only Catholics can be true Christians.
No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.
The terms are synonymous.
Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.
Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.
It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.
Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.
A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –
What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?
Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.
To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.
Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:
It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.
No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.
The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.
Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)
Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?
Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.
And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.
The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.
With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.
This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:
A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.
He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”
Scriptures confirm this truth
My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.
“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.
“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”
It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.
Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.
Let me quote just a few verses:
“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”
It could not be clearer:
The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.
Christ establishes one Church with a single head:
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).
St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:
“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).
In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:
“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).
The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”
Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.
Popes reiterate this teaching
The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.
Pius XII stated unequivocally:
“To be Christian one must be Roman.
One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).
How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?
Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.
Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).
Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:
“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.
Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).
Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.
Pope Pius IX stated:
“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).
In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,
The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).
Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.
How to fight Americanism?
Many persons ask me:
What can I do to fight Progressivism?
Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.
Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.
When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”
Stop and correct yourself.
Call him a Protestant.
It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:
Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.
It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.
It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.
The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.
Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.
Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.
Posted on February 6, 2007
Related Topics of Interest
The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm
Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPC0N0U0aco
It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”
In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.
Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.
It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.” Supposedly it underplayed differences.
It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.
Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.
After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christias has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.
Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.
Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.
A redundancy if I've ever heard one.
Only Catholics can be true Christians.
No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.
The terms are synonymous.
Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe. Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism.
Which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.
It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.
Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.
A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian –
What does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?
Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.
To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.
Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:
It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.
No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.
The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established.
Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother? (Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)
Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church?
Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church?
(Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.
And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.
The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.
With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.
This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:
A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.
He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”
Scriptures confirm this truth
My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.
“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” She said.
“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”
It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.
Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.
Let me quote just a few verses:
“He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.
(Lk 10:16).”
It could not be clearer:
The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.
Christ establishes one Church with a single head:
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
(Matt 16:19).
St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants:
“If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
(Gal 1: 9).
In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:
“And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
(2 Thess 3:6).
The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics: “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
(2 Jo 1:10)”
Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.
Popes reiterate this teaching
The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.
Pius XII stated unequivocally:
“To be Christian one must be Roman.
One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).
How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?
Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body: “So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.
Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896).
Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:
“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.
Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress.”
(ibid.).
Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.
Pope Pius IX stated:
“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8).
In the Syllabus of Modern Errors,
The proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1).
Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.
How to fight Americanism?
Many persons ask me:
What can I do to fight Progressivism?
Others have requested:
Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.
Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.
When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,”
Stop and correct yourself.
Call him a Protestant.
It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:
Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.
It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.
It is time to set some roadblocks on that path. We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.
The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.
Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.
Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.
See also "Christian Ecuemnism" in Simon Galloway, No Crisis in the Church? New Olive Press, 2006, pp. 1-51.
Posted on February 6, 2007
Related Topics of Interest
The Lutheran and Calvinist Mentalities
https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/D015cpProtestantMentalities.htm
Rose42 wrote:
What books? Others cite sources but you haven't.
Dec 15, 2018 13:59:45 #
You are so convicted Doc - even moreso now. That is awesome! May you open your heart to Christ and throw off the shackles that are holding you back.
I have read her stuff before. She doesn't know scripture or Christianity.
I have read her stuff before. She doesn't know scripture or Christianity.
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Dec 15, 2018 14:21:47 #
Ahhhh - - the joy of creating strife and division !!!
Yup . . . that all Protestant are, is schismatic Heretics, separated from the One true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.
Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.
And then you Protestant try saying, we have new Protestant religion, Which has been proven time wrong, biblically, time again.
Protestantism, Its just a man-Made fabricated invention, by Martin Luther, Jon Calvin and other, with a new total different teaching doctrines theology and philosophy loosely united by the existing Bible's.
Protestantism, ls just another man-made religion, that tries to unite It's self to the Christian bible.
That's a self serving Protestant religious purpose, don't you think . . . ?
On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.
Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.
And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.
We haven't spoken about the charismatic Evangelicals and the fundamentalists Protestants, that is a totally new schismatic protestant church unto themselves.
They believe in anything by scriptural literal verses and at the same time totally not unified with so many contradictions and believing a false Jesus.
The "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse.” They will try and (brow-beat) you into Protestant evangelical fundamentalists religious submission.
We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.
Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.
For example a manuscript found in 1887 in Constantinople dating back to the mid to late 1st century AD.
It's called, The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, The Early Church Patristic Fathers.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html
In the manuscript, are the teachings and the 7 sacraments practices and the Catholic Mass liturgy, of the Early Christian Church and is still practiced 1,987 years to this day.
Also by that time "The Church" started to call themselves "The Universal Church" or from the Greek, The Catholic Church.
Can't change history or Church history, that's just the way it is.
So if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli and other reformists, if they had this document, The Didache" back in the AD 1517 Protestant reformation, would they have the 7 Sacraments in their protestant churches ?
I'm not too sure, because Luther, Calvin and others rejected anything remotely Catholic, most Protestant Churches might observe those one or two of the 7 sacraments and only as a
Only a symbolic gesture, and not the 7 sacrament that Jesus, the Apostles the early Church fathers and the Church hierarchy taught. etc.
So is this is why I call Protestants a schismatic apostate heresy ? It's all factual, I'm not embellishing these factual statements.
The Catholic Church from the beginning of "The Church" e.g. The Catholic-Universal Church" has been fighting heresies, schismatic division since the beginning foundations of the Catholic Church
And that's why Protestants revised the Catholic bible from 73 books, minus several chapter and verses, to the present day King James version Bible, of 66 books minus the several chapters and verses from other books.
I guess the cliché analogy, "The Mean's Justify the End's," . . . wouldn't you agree . . . ?
Consider also that new Greek biblical texts, was not from the old Greek Septuagint bible Greek text type, e.g. The Old Testament that was written in and completed around BC 250.
Hmmmmm now why would those rascally protest's do that ?
Justification for Protestantism ? Hmmmmm kinda undermine's Christian, to justify their own type of religious Protestant existence.
So, Remove 7 books out of the Bible, and chapters and verses also out several books, to help identify and explain your new man-Made Protestant theology and Church.
And then to top it off, reject and modify the Bible to the new Protestant for of teaching the bible. multiply that by 30,000 plus, Churches, you have total Protestant chaos and Protestant dis-unity.
That's not what Jesus Christ taught and instructed his Apostles and early Church Patristic Fathers and Church hierarchy. etc.
I'd say that is what is a Protestant heresy in religion.
By the way, Love how you are cofounding the Protestant heretics . . . your driving them nuts . . .
When you bump into Protestant knuckle-heads, you finally met, the cause of Protestant strife here on the OPP Religious forum.
And that's why Protestants are heretics . . .
Yup . . . that all Protestant are, is schismatic Heretics, separated from the One true Church founded by Jesus Christ himself.
Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.
And then you Protestant try saying, we have new Protestant religion, Which has been proven time wrong, biblically, time again.
Protestantism, Its just a man-Made fabricated invention, by Martin Luther, Jon Calvin and other, with a new total different teaching doctrines theology and philosophy loosely united by the existing Bible's.
Protestantism, ls just another man-made religion, that tries to unite It's self to the Christian bible.
That's a self serving Protestant religious purpose, don't you think . . . ?
On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.
Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.
And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.
We haven't spoken about the charismatic Evangelicals and the fundamentalists Protestants, that is a totally new schismatic protestant church unto themselves.
They believe in anything by scriptural literal verses and at the same time totally not unified with so many contradictions and believing a false Jesus.
The "5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Fundamentalist Apocalypse.” They will try and (brow-beat) you into Protestant evangelical fundamentalists religious submission.
We Catholics have a saying; From John Henry Newman a convert to Catholicism in the 1890's very controversial.
To be deep in history, is to cease being Protestant.
Thats why the Protestant heretics, don't want to talk about the history or the History of the Catholic Church.
For example a manuscript found in 1887 in Constantinople dating back to the mid to late 1st century AD.
It's called, The Didache “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, The Early Church Patristic Fathers.
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-148097-1.html
In the manuscript, are the teachings and the 7 sacraments practices and the Catholic Mass liturgy, of the Early Christian Church and is still practiced 1,987 years to this day.
Also by that time "The Church" started to call themselves "The Universal Church" or from the Greek, The Catholic Church.
Can't change history or Church history, that's just the way it is.
So if Martin Luther, John Calvin, Zwingli and other reformists, if they had this document, The Didache" back in the AD 1517 Protestant reformation, would they have the 7 Sacraments in their protestant churches ?
I'm not too sure, because Luther, Calvin and others rejected anything remotely Catholic, most Protestant Churches might observe those one or two of the 7 sacraments and only as a
Only a symbolic gesture, and not the 7 sacrament that Jesus, the Apostles the early Church fathers and the Church hierarchy taught. etc.
So is this is why I call Protestants a schismatic apostate heresy ? It's all factual, I'm not embellishing these factual statements.
The Catholic Church from the beginning of "The Church" e.g. The Catholic-Universal Church" has been fighting heresies, schismatic division since the beginning foundations of the Catholic Church
And that's why Protestants revised the Catholic bible from 73 books, minus several chapter and verses, to the present day King James version Bible, of 66 books minus the several chapters and verses from other books.
I guess the cliché analogy, "The Mean's Justify the End's," . . . wouldn't you agree . . . ?
Consider also that new Greek biblical texts, was not from the old Greek Septuagint bible Greek text type, e.g. The Old Testament that was written in and completed around BC 250.
Hmmmmm now why would those rascally protest's do that ?
Justification for Protestantism ? Hmmmmm kinda undermine's Christian, to justify their own type of religious Protestant existence.
So, Remove 7 books out of the Bible, and chapters and verses also out several books, to help identify and explain your new man-Made Protestant theology and Church.
And then to top it off, reject and modify the Bible to the new Protestant for of teaching the bible. multiply that by 30,000 plus, Churches, you have total Protestant chaos and Protestant dis-unity.
That's not what Jesus Christ taught and instructed his Apostles and early Church Patristic Fathers and Church hierarchy. etc.
I'd say that is what is a Protestant heresy in religion.
By the way, Love how you are cofounding the Protestant heretics . . . your driving them nuts . . .
When you bump into Protestant knuckle-heads, you finally met, the cause of Protestant strife here on the OPP Religious forum.
And that's why Protestants are heretics . . .
Rose42 wrote:
YouaresoconvictedDoc-evenmoreso now.That is awesome!May you open your heart to Christ and throw off the shackles that are holding you back.I have read her stuff before. She doesn't know scripture or Christianity.
Dec 15, 2018 14:33:12 #
Doc110 wrote:
Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.
Yeah religious sectarianism, . . . that's why Protestants just throw out 1,484 years of Christian Catholic doctrine, or 1,987 years old present day biblical teaching, and Christian Church oral and written historical traditions.
Catholicism is paganism sprinkled with a bit of Christianity. Thats why Christians throw it out.
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And then you Protestant try saying, we have new Protestant religion, Which has been proven time wrong, biblically, time again.
A false claim. There was no new religion, it was the same Christianity that was always there but suppressed by the Catholic church.
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On top of that, Martin Luther ("Dumbed-Down") the KIV Bible, which further lead's up to independent Bible self-interpretation against a strict Catholic Magisterium biblical teaching.
You mean the KJV bible? That was largely done by William Tyndale not Luther. He translated from the original text.
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Which leads us to the; 30,000 plus, present modern day schismatic Protestant Churches today and growing. It's a literal translation and self-interpretation of the 1611 KIV bible.
The number is irrelevant. What the Catholic church doesn't want people doing is discovering the beauty of God's word for themselves.
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And the consequences of this man-Made authority doctrines, by the Protestant 30,000 religion's and the laity Protestants, or little Pope's, thinking they can interpret bible any which way they want or think they can.
No "little popes" because that's not biblical. No man-made doctrine. Just as the early church fathers viewed scripture as the final authority (predating the start of Catholicism in 314) the bible is still the ulimate authority in all matters. No one goes it alone.
The rest of your post is the usual fiction.
May your heart open to the joys of knowing Christ is Lord and Savior. It's never too late.
Dec 15, 2018 16:59:04 #
Rose42 wrote:
No "little popes" because that's not biblical. No man-made doctrine. Just as the early church fathers viewed scripture as the final authority (predating the start of Catholicism in 314) the bible is still the ulimate authority in all matters. No one goes it alone.
The rest of your post is the usual fiction.
May your heart open to the joys of knowing Christ is Lord and Savior. It's never too late.
The rest of your post is the usual fiction.
May your heart open to the joys of knowing Christ is Lord and Savior. It's never too late.
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Protestants are HERETICS because they did not obey or follow Christ's command. They created their own 47,000 interpretations each one claiming they are right and the best, as they write books, videos, magazines, and proclaim their own versions of the Scriptures.
They use psychology to luring more people for more money. They have diverted their faith from God to the glitters of the money that they worship. The 47,000 pastors are competitions who makes the most money.
The multi-billionaire lives in Brazil. The second one lives here in the US with $960 million worth.
Here they are for more money makers selling Christ and His words to the world.
http://pleasuresmagazine.com.ng/2016/09/top-50-ludicrously-wealthy-pastors/
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