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Dec 1, 2018 15:01:24   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Anyone reading Doc110 lies and then read the rebuttal that I posted. You will find proof, Empirical Evidence using Scripture of the false teachings of the Catholic Church.
You be the Judge...

And then ask yourself why Doc110 continues posting the same thing half a dozen times even after Empirical Evidence is posted in Defense of God's word (scripture).

Yes Doc110 post this..
Then myself and others post evidence.... A few weeks later he post it again, we post empirical evidence, he again posts it... And on and on.

You see Doc110 is a fake, fraud a phony.
He is dangerously dishonest, a bold face liar.

In dozens of his Pro Roman Catholic church post, myself and others have repeatedly refuted every single thing he post.

Doc110 in dozens of post not one single time could answer why the original Greek Manuscripts that New Testament Bibles are translated from clearly says Jesus is the "rock", Peter is not the "Rock" and how Does Doc110 respond? Crickets to the evidence, but he does return a 25-30 paragraph reply with half dozen paragraphs dedicated to insults and the remaining having nothing to do with the evidence proving the Catholic church has false teachings and doctrines that Contridictes God's word, the Bible..


What is sick...
Doc110 justifies over ten million little boys and girls being raped, molested by the popes, Cardinals, Bishops, nuns and priest..


Doc110 justifies the Roman Catholic church murdering over one hundred million Christians, Jews, orthodox Christian/Jews in full genocide, a plan to eradicate that has spanned the life of the church to current day.

Doc110 justifies black masses in the Vatican, satanic rituals that include the sacrifice of babies.

Doc110 justifies the over 350,000 childrens mass Graves recently found on over 30 Roman Catholic church properties in three countries.

The Popes have declared they are god on earth.

Pope Francis stated atheist are good people and will go to heaven.

He stated gays are natural and should be able to marry in church

He claims there are many paths to heaven

He stated that Muslims worship the same God as Roman Catholics

Scripture makes it clear there is but one God, one path to salvation, through the cleansing blood of Jesus, by faith are we saved.

Yet Doc110 justifies everything popes have done and said, everything Pope Francis says.

The Roman Catholic churches teachings are the doctrines of devils justified by Doc110

The Roman Catholic church is Satan's counterfeit church justified by Doc110

Each and every pope in history have been lead by Satan.

Doc110 has to be dishonest in defending and justifing the most blood thirsty entity on earth in all history.

The holocaust killed an estimated 6 million Jews

7 million soviet civilians

2 million from various countries

Roman Catholics over 100 million spanning 1700 years

Doc110 says its the only true church.
I agree, the only true satanic church

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Dec 1, 2018 15:06:39   #
bahmer
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Anyone reading Doc110 lies and then read the rebuttal that I posted. You will find proof, Empirical Evidence using Scripture of the false teachings of the Catholic Church.
You be the Judge...

And then ask yourself why Doc110 continues posting the same thing half a dozen times even after Empirical Evidence is posted in Defense of God's word (scripture).

Yes Doc110 post this..
Then myself and others post evidence.... A few weeks later he post it again, we post empirical evidence, he again posts it... And on and on.

You see Doc110 is a fake, fraud a phony.
He is dangerously dishonest, a bold face liar.

In dozens of his Pro Roman Catholic church post, myself and others have repeatedly refuted every single thing he post.

Doc110 in dozens of post not one single time could answer why the original Greek Manuscripts that New Testament Bibles are translated from clearly says Jesus is the "rock", Peter is not the "Rock" and how Does Doc110 respond? Crickets to the evidence, but he does return a 25-30 paragraph reply with half dozen paragraphs dedicated to insults and the remaining having nothing to do with the evidence proving the Catholic church has false teachings and doctrines that Contridictes God's word, the Bible..


What is sick...
Doc110 justifies over ten million little boys and girls being raped, molested by the popes, Cardinals, Bishops, nuns and priest..


Doc110 justifies the Roman Catholic church murdering over one hundred million Christians, Jews, orthodox Christian/Jews in full genocide, a plan to eradicate that has spanned the life of the church to current day.

Doc110 justifies black masses in the Vatican, satanic rituals that include the sacrifice of babies.

Doc110 justifies the over 350,000 childrens mass Graves recently found on over 30 Roman Catholic church properties in three countries.

The Popes have declared they are god on earth.

Pope Francis stated atheist are good people and will go to heaven.

He stated gays are natural and should be able to marry in church

He claims there are many paths to heaven

He stated that Muslims worship the same God as Roman Catholics

Scripture makes it clear there is but one God, one path to salvation, through the cleansing blood of Jesus, by faith are we saved.

Yet Doc110 justifies everything popes have done and said, everything Pope Francis says.

The Roman Catholic churches teachings are the doctrines of devils justified by Doc110

The Roman Catholic church is Satan's counterfeit church justified by Doc110

Each and every pope in history have been lead by Satan.

Doc110 has to be dishonest in defending and justifing the most blood thirsty entity on earth in all history.

The holocaust killed an estimated 6 million Jews

7 million soviet civilians

2 million from various countries

Roman Catholics over 100 million spanning 1700 years

Doc110 says its the only true church.
I agree, the only true satanic church
Anyone reading Doc110 lies and then read the rebut... (show quote)


Good post Jack thanks.

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Dec 1, 2018 19:21:14   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
bahmer wrote:
Excellent rebuttal Jack thank you for that. Amen and Amen.




Doc110 can keep posting his lies, false claims. But he cannot refute scripture supported by the original Greek manuscripts.

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Dec 2, 2018 10:13:51   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
Yo simpleton,

Jesus said, "Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword."
(Matt. 26:52)

I will answer you in my own sweet time.

I don't respond to you're taunting and insults.

Can you're Protestant Church claim to be the: One true church that Jesus Christ instituted ?

A number of Christian denominations assert that they alone represent the one true church –

The church to which Jesus gave his authority in the Great Commission.

a. The Catholic Church,
b. The Eastern Orthodox Church,
c. The Oriental Orthodox communion
d. And the Assyrian Church of the East each understands itself as the one and only original church.

The claim to be the "one true church" relates to the first of the Four Marks of the Church mentioned in the Nicene Creed: "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church".

Jack, I don't see any 30,000 Protestant churches listed . . . Claim to be the "One True Church" ?


Jack, You are just a "Straw-man" with nothing to say, you just post compost that you found on some anti-Catholic website just look at your atrocious writing style.

You happen to be the least religious innovative person on the OPP religious forum post.

That can't disprove anything I've Posted.

Try learning something.

Doc110


Martin Luther's Man-Made Protestantism is a religious heresy, that parallels Donatism.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/donatism

It goes back to the Augustine-Donatist controversy, where Augustine and the Church decided against rebaptism, and Aquinas, and Trent.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/11/protestants-christians-heretics-or-both.html

The New Gnosticism
https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2011/05/02/the-new-gnosticism/

The Heresy of Protestantism - catholic apologetics information
www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/protesy.htm

Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html


jack sequim wa wrote:


Doc110 can keep posting his lies, false claims. But he cannot refute scripture supported by the original Greek manuscripts.

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Dec 2, 2018 10:33:02   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
Balmer,

You're a sycophant compost stool.

A little boy cheerleading Protestant dog . . .

With nothing to say, no intelligence, or critical thinking skills.


All you can do, is add to the insults.

You really s-ck as a person, all you are is a religious internet Troll.

"Internetting Trolls :
a. Sea-Lioning Troll's, Self-Appointed "Good Cop"
b. Concern Troll's, Pseudo-Displays of "Constructive Criticism"
c. Gish Galloping Troll's, Falsehoods nitpicking arguments unrelated details
d. Impersonation Troll's, create hoax impersonation accounts in your name
e. Dog-Piling Troll's, Online silencing, Cyber Mob to discredit a target
g. Gas-Lighting Troll's, Giving false information to cause self-doubt.


Jack and Balmer;
This is one of my first posts on the OPP Forum I find it relevant to re-post again.

This original posting also can pertain to Anti-Catholic Protestant Bullies on the OPP Religious Forum.


A Guide to "Inter-Netting": The internet breakdown of every type "Trolling" on online blogging trolls
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-37830-1.html

Dear Fellow (OPP) readers,


I felt it germane, to define the subject on "Trolls" or "Trolling" on the (OPP) web site. Specifically this post and article is to discuss, educate and inform (OPP) readers about the political socialist liberal attack and agenda on the American center, Libertarians and Conservative voice's in America.


This post is to express my personal outrage at the political Democratic socialist left's narrative policies, of the political "Do-gooder" mentality and thought process of progressive Democrat party, or to put it succinctly

( "The Big Lie Theory," ) and their political narrative and their conscious ability to try and limit our freedoms and voice's in America.


This post is re-write of article that I read, "A Guide to “Internetting” While Female," The patron saint of internet warriors breaks down every type of trolling type. (See) http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a13403/online-harassment-terms-fight-back/


This article points will try exposes "Leftist's Democratic Political Trolls," and their negative attacks on our freedoms and political viewpoints on the (OPP) and many other political websites.


This is how political socialist "Trolls" operate, by being counterproductive in their opinion, by using false or ambiguous inflammatory facts and try manipulating political narrative, to justify the actual leftist political talking points.


One Political Plaza readers.
We are obligated as Americans to correct there political lies and the socialist liberal deceit, on the (OPP) website, by naming the socialist, liberal progressive Democrat as "Internetting Trolls :
a. Sea-Lioning Troll's, Self-Appointed "Good Cop"
b. Concern Troll's, Pseudo-Displays of "Constructive Criticism"
c. Gish Galloping Troll's, Falsehoods nitpicking arguments unrelated details
d. Impersonation Troll's, create hoax impersonation accounts in your name
e. Dog-Piling Troll's, Online silencing, Cyber Mob to discredit a target
g. Gas-Lighting Troll's, Giving false information to cause self-doubt.



By explaining these "Trolling" definitions and terms we identify and can cut down their liberal diatribe and stop waisting our precious time to discuss the real facts and issues facing American citizens. By exposing these (OPP) "Trolling Hacks," (OPP) readers will be better informed and have facts, to point out what is wrong in their posts, comments and information that they provide.


Only by exposing and by defining their socialist agenda, can we change the political liberal left's utopian society, “Do-Gooder narrative,” and the Left's thinking narrative, on this site and many other website.


We are not trying to silence their opinions !!! As the "Trolls" they try to do to us. We are only pointing out the way and how they operate. Once you can define the socialist progressive political agenda and narrative you can trully expose the "Internetting website Troll," and counter their agenda.


As Americans, we can uses these definitions of "Trolling" by identifying their methods, as to how they operate and infiltrate their thinking to the thought post, opinion remark process, and by rationally thinking and contributing to the American viewpoint here, their only goal, is to be inflammatory to your view point and "Lie," and repeatedly lie.


That is what the Democratic socialistic progressive liberals do and the socialists Media prostitute's continually do, which is to lie and distort the truthful facts.


How many articles in the media are just inaccurate and are false? There are to many to count, and if a conservative or Libertarian were held to the same standard, there would be hardly any democrat in political office.


Remember that we are constitutional abiding Americans and have "Free Speech," authorized by the 1776 "Bill of Rights as defined by our founding fathers from the American revolution, through war, and secession from the British royal crown.


In my next post, will be about the "Art of Argument," and "How's and Why's"
to expose the leftist socialist methods trolling on web sites. How to read and decipher their political socialist political agenda.


This will be a conservative guide for (OPP) users to "Internetting" to point out the fallacies to their argument, and how the liberal socialists political trolls directs your posts, opinions and America voice. This is a argument tactic to question their thoughts and ideas and how to write and express our ideas as we live our lives in America.


Do Americans just give up in believing in freedom ? The liberal socialists Democrat and the Media are trying too define your freedoms, in America and what your freedoms should be.


It all comes down to the ( "The Big Lie Theory," ) and how the Democratic socialist progressive left's “Alinsky” narrative policies are pushed forward into your face and the American people. We are not Racists, Anti-Religious Homophobic, Anti-Immigrant and are not Anti-Feminists. This is how they triumph their socialist progressive message and hide behind these slogans and issues.


We are Americans and are not to be marginalized, we have the same Bill of Rights, as the Democratic socialistic progressive liberals do into silencing Americans political speech. The difference between the American center, Libertarians and Conservative voice's in America are that we do not hide behind these catch phrases, of politically motivated issues, that they constantly scream and hammer us all the time.


Cry "Wolf" too many times, and this is one American response...


We Americans are assaulted on a daily basis to question our own beliefs on religion, marriage, child rearing, politics, banking, finance, etc. The list goes on and on what and how we are to think and believe by the Democratic socialist progressive left's policies and the prostitute media corporations complex anti-American collusion agenda.


"The Bill of Rights, and the Constitution" are truly living breathing documents and are not "Dead"documents as some progressives may think. Don't let the liberal socialists Democrat and the Media tell you what your individual rights are, direct their attack against them. An example if someone called you a racist, which has no merit to the conversation, call them a "Racist for calling me a Raciest.. Their opinion is a knee jerk reaction to the facts and the "The Big Lie Theory," they espouse.



1. Sea-Lioning Trolling: is when an uninvited stranger pops into your conversation and peppers you with unsolicited and insincere questions. The sea-lion politely demands evidence for even the most mundane or self-evident statements and insists that you justify your opinions until they are satisfied—Which they never do, since they are asking the questions in bad faith. The Sea-lion is basically the self-appointed "Good Cop" in an interrogation for a crime you didn't commit.



2. Concern Trolling: is when harassers pose as fans or supporters with the intention of masking their hostility in pseudo-displays of "Constructive Criticism." When targeting bloggers and comments, this is most often done through "Helpful" suggestions on how to improve one's thoughts or adopt a more pleasant tone. The concern troll's disingenuous comments are actually designed to undercut or demean you. Veiled (and sometimes not-so-veiled) accusations of hypocrisy are the bread and butter of this kind of troll.



3. Gish Galloping Trolling: is a device used to derail a conversation with a flood of falsehoods and tiny arguments that focus on nitpicking or minor unrelated details, each loaded with implied accusations. The Gish galloper will often assert the same argument simply rephrased over and over again. Rather than expressing sincere concerns, these petty comments are designed to distract and overwhelm you by wasting your time with tangential or disingenuous arguments that sidetrack the core issues you are discussing.



4. Impersonation Trolling: is a strategy whereby harassers create hoax social media impersonation accounts in order to post inflammatory statements in your name. The intention is to try to get as many people as possible to believe the fake quotes and thereby defame you. These fake quotes are then integrated into the other forms of harassment mentioned above.



5. Dog-Piling Trolling: the mother lode of online harassment, is when a group collectively works together using dozens of tactics at once to overwhelm a target through sheer volume, clogging and choking online accounts with a cascade of disingenuous questions, insults, slurs, threats, and more. When a large group comes together to try to collectively shame, harass, or discredit a target, it's also called a "Cyber Mob." The goal is to silence, discredit, and humiliate the target by creating an online environment so unbearable that they are driven offline.



6. Gas-lighting Trolling: one of the most psychologically damaging types of harassment, is when serial abusers present false information or a false narrative to make you doubt your own memory, perceptions, sanity, or professional knowledge. The harassers are attacking you and simultaneously sending the message that their behavior is not actually abusive. This intentional confusion can lead blogers to internalize feelings of self-doubt and uncertainty about their own reality.

Gas-Lighting Trolling: is the undercurrent traveling throughout online harassment, forcing bloggers to question their own experiences. and are told that they are not reliable witnesses to their own lives," historian Rebecca Solnit, "That truth is not their property, now or ever." When we dare speak up about digital abuse, the response is a cacophony of voices insistently telling us we're making it all up, or that it's not really as bad as we think it is.



We are told: "Just ignore it," "It's not real," "It's just the Internet," "Toughen up," and "Grow a thicker skin." These flippant sentiments are an aggressive denial of our lived realities, erasing our experiences and suggesting that the abuse inflicted on us is not real and, by extension, our fears and anxieties about it are not real.


But the harassment is real, and if you've experienced it, you aren't alone. We must actively work to create a digital world where we don't ask bloggers to disconnect from their emotional capacity or to jettison their own humanity in order to deal with a constant barrage of threats, slurs, and abuse.


Doc110


bahmer wrote:


Good post Jack thanks.

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Dec 2, 2018 10:35:27   #
Rose42
 
Is Sola Scriptura historical? Yes. It really is that simple.

The Bible, even the Catholic version, tells us it's perfect and not to add to it.

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Dec 2, 2018 10:37:07   #
bahmer
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Doc110 can keep posting his lies, false claims. But he cannot refute scripture supported by the original Greek manuscripts.


Amen and Amen

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Dec 2, 2018 10:38:11   #
bahmer
 
Rose42 wrote:
Is Sola Scriptura historical? Yes. It really is that simple.

The Bible, even the Catholic version, tells us it's perfect and not to add to it.


Amen and Amen great comeback to the heathens.

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Dec 2, 2018 11:19:28   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
Rose42,

Well call me a "Straw-Man" response.

rose42, "Flattery will get you nowhere" . . . .

"Well golly, Protestant partner" . . . can you out do your simpleton-self response . . . what chagrin laughter I'm having and humorist consternation.


Me thinkest, you are a Protestant maroon, I jest . . . with all the idiotic Straw-man positions fallacies you come up with . . .


Bugs Bunny said it best, what a "maroon," "what a ignoramus" "what a nincompoop."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSZ1h-bydS4


Could you remotely come up with a more simpleton Protestant response and comment, . . .


Are you that callously flippant and that Protestant ignorant ?

Better yet rose42, a can you out do, you're "Non-Sequitur" . . . "Ad-Hominem fallacy argument response and Protestant attacks ?


"Is Sola Scriptura historical" ? "Yes. It really is that simple. Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, . . . Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha,

Are you a door-nob ? or are you a ignorant Protestant foot-stool ? Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha,


Rose if you have, a lightbulb factual response, respond okay.

If you don't have a lightbulb response, please don't wast my time, okay.


Here is why I have this motto in my response page at the bottom of my replies.

"Respond with facts, Facts, FACTs, no Supposition's, Innuendo's, Exaggeration's of your own Personal Emotional Belief's, Hypocritical Truth's, Empty Rhetoric devoid of Real Factual Substance and full of Regurgitated Dendrite Compost Opinions"


Try learning something, read the below articles .


Martin Luther's Man-Made Protestantism is a religious heresy, that parallels Donatism.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/donatism

It goes back to the Augustine-Donatist controversy, where Augustine and the Church decided against rebaptism, and Aquinas, and Trent.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/11/protestants-christians-heretics-or-both.html

The New Gnosticism
https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2011/05/02/the-new-gnosticism/

The Heresy of Protestantism - catholic apologetics information
www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/protesy.htm

Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html


Doc110


Rose42 wrote:


Is Sola Scriptura historical? Yes. It really is that simple.

The Bible, even the Catholic version, tells us it's perfect and not to add to it.


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Dec 2, 2018 11:24:22   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
Balmer,

The galloping protestant Troll . . . .

Bugs Bunny said it best, what a "maroon," "what a ignoramus" "what a nincompoop."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSZ1h-bydS4

"Internetting Trolls :
a. Sea-Lioning Troll's, Self-Appointed "Good Cop"
b. Concern Troll's, Pseudo-Displays of "Constructive Criticism"
c. Gish Galloping Troll's, Falsehoods nitpicking arguments unrelated details
d. Impersonation Troll's, create hoax impersonation accounts in your name
e. Dog-Piling Troll's, Online silencing, Cyber Mob to discredit a target
g. Gas-Lighting Troll's, Giving false information to cause self-doubt.


This needed to be said twice, hope you get the message . . .

Bugs Bunny said it best, what a "maroon," "what a ignoramus" "what a nincompoop."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSZ1h-bydS4

Doc110


bahmer wrote:


Amen and Amen

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Dec 2, 2018 11:46:53   #
Rose42
 
You have a high word count Doc yet for all your personal insults and opinion articles you can't still refute the truth of Sola Scriptura.

God's word stands above it all.

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Dec 2, 2018 11:51:06   #
bahmer
 
Rose42 wrote:
You have a high word count Doc yet for all your personal insults and opinion articles you can't still refute the truth of Sola Scriptura.

God's word stands above it all.


Amen and Amen

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Dec 2, 2018 13:36:59   #
Doc110 Loc: York PA
 
rose42,

What, can't you read and comprehend writing ?

Or do you ignore what I post,

I suspect that this is your protestant "modus Operandi" and play the"Non-Sequester" fallacy Game . . . .

All you complain about is word count and,

No Responses, with facts, Facts, FACTs, no Supposition's, Innuendo's, Exaggeration's of your own Personal Emotional Belief's, Hypocritical Truth's, Empty Rhetoric devoid of Real Factual Substance and full of Regurgitated Dendrite Compost Opinions


You still play the "Straw-man" "Non-Sequester" Ad-Hominem Fallacy argumentation.

Are you just a Protestant a simpleton playing this imbecile protest game ?

Readers on the OPP religious Forum can see the game played out.

And how the Five-horsemen and Horsewomen of the Apocalypse play ad-nauseium, the Protestant attack game on the thread posts and article posting.


And you can't refute my claims that Sola Scriptura is a Man-Made Protestant Heresy . . . .

Bugs Bunny said it best, what a "maroon," "what a ignoramus" "what a nincompoop."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSZ1h-bydS4

Read this Article and learn . . . It's my next Article religious posting

Doc110


11/29/2018 Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians

Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html

It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”

In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.
(The constant low-level activity of a body tissue, especially muscle tone.)

Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.

It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.”

Supposedly it underplayed differences.

It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.

Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.


After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christians has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.

Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.

Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.

A redundancy if I've ever heard one.

Only Catholics can be true Christians.

No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.

The terms are synonymous.

Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe.

Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism, which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.

It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.

Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.

A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian – what does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?


Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.

To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.

Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:

It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.

No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.

The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established. Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother?
(Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)
www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9singul.htm



Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church? Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church? (Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_29061896_satis-cognitum.html

In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.

And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.

The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.

With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.

This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:

A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.

He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”



Scriptures confirm this truth

My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.

“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” she said.

“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”

It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.

Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.


Let me quote just a few verses:

a. “He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.”
Luke 10:16


It could not be clearer:

The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.

b. Christ establishes one Church with a single head: "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Matthew 16:19


c. St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants: “If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
Galatians 1: 9


In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:

d. “And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
2 Thessalonians 3:6


The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics:

e. “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
2 John 1:10


Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.


Popes reiterate this teaching
Only inside the Catholic Church can true union be achieved

The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.

Pius XII stated unequivocally:

“To be Christian one must be Roman. One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).

How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?


Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body:

“So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.

Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896)
www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13satis.htm
w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_29061896_satis-cognitum.html


Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:

“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.

Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress” (ibid.).

Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.

Pope Pius IX stated:
“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8)
ww.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9quartu.htm


In the Syllabus of Modern Errors, the proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1)
www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9syll.htm


Syllabus of Errors still relevant 150 years later - Our Sunday Visitor
https://www.osv.com/Article/TabId/493/ArtMID/13569/ArticleID/16

Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.


How to fight Americanism?

Many persons ask me:

What can I do to fight Progressivism?

Others have requested:

Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.

Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.

When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,” stop and correct yourself.

Call him a Protestant.

It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:

Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.


It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.

It is time to set some roadblocks on that path.

We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.

The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.

Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.


Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.   

Animus Delendi II addresses Secularization and Ecumenism, the two main initiatives of Vatican Council II.

Through Secularization, Progressivism is destroying the foundations of the State and replacing it with a trans-Socialist structure, with experimental communities already set up here and there.

Through Ecumenism, Progressivism is meticulously destroying the unity of the Catholic Faith, the uniqueness of the Holy Church, her militancy, and her missionary character.

Certainly these initiatives reveal an animus delendi- a desire to destroy never before seen in History.

Notwithstanding, these same maneuvers were first presented as manifestations of love for the world and charity toward the false religions – the much trumpeted spirit of the Council.

By the fruits, Guimarães shows the tree.

Reading this volume one sees that Secularization and Ecumenism constitute two colossal ruses to fool the unsuspecting Catholic faithful and lead them to a slaughter of their souls.

A repetition of the killing of the innocents ordered by Herod.



Rose42 wrote:


You have a high word count Doc yet for all your personal insults and opinion articles you can't still refute the truth of Sola Scriptura.

God's word stands above it all.

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Dec 2, 2018 14:08:11   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Doc110 wrote:
Yo simpleton,

Jesus said, "Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword."
(Matt. 26:52)

I will answer you in my own sweet time.

I don't respond to you're taunting and insults.

Can you're Protestant Church claim to be the: One true church that Jesus Christ instituted ?

A number of Christian denominations assert that they alone represent the one true church –

The church to which Jesus gave his authority in the Great Commission.

a. The Catholic Church,
b. The Eastern Orthodox Church,
c. The Oriental Orthodox communion
d. And the Assyrian Church of the East each understands itself as the one and only original church.

The claim to be the "one true church" relates to the first of the Four Marks of the Church mentioned in the Nicene Creed: "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church".

Jack, I don't see any 30,000 Protestant churches listed . . . Claim to be the "One True Church" ?


Jack, You are just a "Straw-man" with nothing to say, you just post compost that you found on some anti-Catholic website just look at your atrocious writing style.

You happen to be the least religious innovative person on the OPP religious forum post.

That can't disprove anything I've Posted.

Try learning something.

Doc110


Martin Luther's Man-Made Protestantism is a religious heresy, that parallels Donatism.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/donatism

It goes back to the Augustine-Donatist controversy, where Augustine and the Church decided against rebaptism, and Aquinas, and Trent.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/11/protestants-christians-heretics-or-both.html

The New Gnosticism
https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2011/05/02/the-new-gnosticism/

The Heresy of Protestantism - catholic apologetics information
www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/protesy.htm

Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html
Yo simpleton, br br Jesus said, "Those who l... (show quote)




Post away your catholic apologists revisionist history, fabricated to protect the false teachings of the satanic Roman Catholic church.

Readers are quite capable of reading your initial post and my reply. Thus seeing the lies and deceptions of the Roman Catholic church.

Everything required to destroy your claims has already been posted.

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Dec 2, 2018 14:22:00   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Doc110 wrote:
rose42,

What, can't you read and comprehend writing ?

Or do you ignore what I post,

I suspect that this is your protestant "modus Operandi" and play the"Non-Sequester" fallacy Game . . . .

All you complain about is word count and,

No Responses, with facts, Facts, FACTs, no Supposition's, Innuendo's, Exaggeration's of your own Personal Emotional Belief's, Hypocritical Truth's, Empty Rhetoric devoid of Real Factual Substance and full of Regurgitated Dendrite Compost Opinions


You still play the "Straw-man" "Non-Sequester" Ad-Hominem Fallacy argumentation.

Are you just a Protestant a simpleton playing this imbecile protest game ?

Readers on the OPP religious Forum can see the game played out.

And how the Five-horsemen and Horsewomen of the Apocalypse play ad-nauseium, the Protestant attack game on the thread posts and article posting.


And you can't refute my claims that Sola Scriptura is a Man-Made Protestant Heresy . . . .

Bugs Bunny said it best, what a "maroon," "what a ignoramus" "what a nincompoop."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSZ1h-bydS4

Read this Article and learn . . . It's my next Article religious posting

Doc110


11/29/2018 Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians

Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.
https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/m013rpProtestantsChristians.html

It is very common today to hear Catholics call a Protestant “a Christian,” or even, “a good Christian.”

In the United States, it was already a practice before Vatican II because of the tendency of American Catholics to accommodate Protestantism, whose tonus dominated the social and business spheres.
(The constant low-level activity of a body tissue, especially muscle tone.)

Then, there was the question of adaptation as prominent Protestants joined the Catholic faith, or Catholics entered into marriages with Protestants.

It was just easier to call everyone “Christian.”

Supposedly it underplayed differences.

It was meant to create the impression that Catholics and Protestants were cousins in one big, happy family.

Pope Leo XIII condemned this tolerance toward Protestantism under the name of Americanism, the heresy of Americanism, to be more precise.


After Vatican II, needless to say, the practice of calling Protestants Christians has snowballed, with the official conciliar documents assuming this same impropriety.

Hence, the Holy See, Prelates and priests have made its use as widespread as possible.

Accommodation to Protestantism in our days has reached such a point that some Catholics, to distinguish between Catholics and their Protestant “separated brethren,” call themselves Catholic Christians.

A redundancy if I've ever heard one.

Only Catholics can be true Christians.

No one who dissents from the Roman Catholic Church can be a Christian.

The terms are synonymous.

Every time I hear the term Christian used for Protestants, I cringe.

Its usage clearly nourishes a trend toward a dangerous religious indifferentism, which denies the duty of man to worship God by believing and practicing the one true Catholic Religion.

It is an implicit admission that those who deny the one Faith can nonetheless be Christians, that is, be in the Church of Christ.

Inherently it leads to the progressivist notion that men can be saved in any religion that accepts Christ as Savior.

A “good Lutheran,” a “good Anglican,” a “good Presbyterian – what does it matter so long as they are good people and sincerely love Christ?


Regardless of who is applying this usage today, I want to stress that it is at variance with the entire tradition of the Catholic Church until the Council.

To consider heretics as Christians is not the teaching of the Church.

Before Vatican II, the Magisterium was always very clear:

It is not a matter of an individual’s character or traits.

No one can be in the Church of Christ without professing the ensemble of the truths of Catholic Faith, being in unity with the Chair of Peter and receiving the same Seven Sacraments.

The only Christian is one who accepts Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church he established. Who can have God for Father and not accept the Church for Mother?
(Pope Pius IX, Singulari quidem of March 17, 1856)
www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9singul.htm



Who can accept the spouse Christ, and not his mystical bride the Church? Who can separate the Head, the only begotten Son of God, from the body, which is His Church? (Pope Leo XIII, Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896). It is not possible.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_29061896_satis-cognitum.html

In short, only those who profess the one Catholic Faith and are united with the Mystical Body of Christ are members of the Church of Christ.

And only those members can legitimately bear the title of honor of Christian.

The Protestant sect started as a revolt, protesting the Church of Christ and, pretending to accept Christ without Peter, the authority He established on earth.

With this split, they left the Church and became heretics.

This used to be clearly said and understood, without sentimental fear of offending one’s neighbors or relatives:

A Protestant is a heretic because he severed himself from the Body of the Church.

He is not a Christian, and certainly not a “good Christian.”



Scriptures confirm this truth

My friend Jan thought I was being too severe on this topic.

“You’re making a mountain out of a molehill,” she said.

“Don’t Scriptures teach us to love our neighbor and not be judgmental?”

It is the same old post Vatican II story, claiming that it is “judgmental” to correct bad practices and false teachings and arguing with disputable interpretations of Scriptures.

Well, despite these subjective interpretations, the inspired words of Scriptures provide an unambiguous defense that the custody of the vineyard has been committed by Christ to the Catholic Church alone.


Let me quote just a few verses:

a. “He who hears you (Peter) hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me.”
Luke 10:16


It could not be clearer:

The Protestant who rejects the head, rejects Christ himself, and should not be granted the name Christian.

b. Christ establishes one Church with a single head: "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Matthew 16:19


c. St. Paul is severe in his condemnation of false teachers, e.g. Protestants: “If any man preaches any other Gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
Galatians 1: 9


In another passage he instructs Catholics to remove themselves from the bad society of non-Catholics:

d. “And we charge you, brethren, in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly and not according to the Tradition which they have received of us.”
2 Thessalonians 3:6


The Apostle St. John forbade any intercourse with heretics:

e. “If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house or welcome him.”
2 John 1:10


Holy Scriptures are clear on the point that only those who belong to the one Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church, can rightfully be considered Christians.


Popes reiterate this teaching
Only inside the Catholic Church can true union be achieved

The traditional Papal Magisterium was also clear on this topic. Let me offer a few texts by way of exemplification.

Pius XII stated unequivocally:

“To be Christian one must be Roman. One must recognize the oneness of Christ’s Church that is governed by one successor of the Prince of the Apostles who is the Bishop of Rome, Christ’s Vicar on earth”
(Allocution to the Irish pilgrims of October 8, 1957).

How is it possible to be clearer than this about those who can be called Christian?


Leo XIII makes it plain that separated members cannot belong to the same body:

“So long as the member was on the body, it lived; separated, it lost its life.

Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the [Catholic] Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic”
(Encyclical Satis cognitum of June 29, 1896)
www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13satis.htm
w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_29061896_satis-cognitum.html


Emphasizing the fate of those who break away from the one Faith, he says:

“Whoever leaves her [the Catholic Church] departs from the will and command of Our Lord Jesus Christ; leaving the path of salvation, he enters that of perdition.

Whoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress” (ibid.).

Certainly, they do not share with us the same title of Christian.

Pope Pius IX stated:
“He who abandons the Chair of Peter on which the Church is founded, is falsely persuaded that he is in the Church of Christ.”
(Quartus supra of January 6 1873, n. 8)
ww.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9quartu.htm


In the Syllabus of Modern Errors, the proposition that Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion was specifically condemned.
(Pius IX, n. 18)(1)
www.papalencyclicals.net/pius09/p9syll.htm


Syllabus of Errors still relevant 150 years later - Our Sunday Visitor
https://www.osv.com/Article/TabId/493/ArtMID/13569/ArticleID/16

Therefore, there is only one Christian Church, the Catholic Church, and only those who belong to it should rightfully be called Christians.


How to fight Americanism?

Many persons ask me:

What can I do to fight Progressivism?

Others have requested:

Give me some specific examples of how I can combat Americanism.

Let me offer one concrete way to fight in yourself the tendency toward accommodation with Protestantism.

When you catch yourself calling a Protestant a “Christian,” stop and correct yourself.

Call him a Protestant.

It is a way to affirm that you do not accept the Protestant errors and that you acknowledge it for the terrible thing it is:

Protestants denied many Catholic dogmas and for this reason caused that first major crack in the unity of the Catholic Church that caused untold damage to Christendom and the perdition of those souls adhering to it.


It is a small thing, but by such small customs we as a people have been walking steadily toward religious indifferentism.

It is time to set some roadblocks on that path.

We should not veil in ambiguous terms our love for the ensemble of the Catholic Faith.

The only true union possible for Catholics with Protestants is by their return to the one true Church of Christ, the Catholic Church.

Only with such a return can they rightfully call themselves Christians.


Numerous traditional Catholic teachings on the this topic can be found in Atila S. Guimarães, Aniums Delendi II, Los Angeles: TIA, 2002, pp. 205-217.   

Animus Delendi II addresses Secularization and Ecumenism, the two main initiatives of Vatican Council II.

Through Secularization, Progressivism is destroying the foundations of the State and replacing it with a trans-Socialist structure, with experimental communities already set up here and there.

Through Ecumenism, Progressivism is meticulously destroying the unity of the Catholic Faith, the uniqueness of the Holy Church, her militancy, and her missionary character.

Certainly these initiatives reveal an animus delendi- a desire to destroy never before seen in History.

Notwithstanding, these same maneuvers were first presented as manifestations of love for the world and charity toward the false religions – the much trumpeted spirit of the Council.

By the fruits, Guimarães shows the tree.

Reading this volume one sees that Secularization and Ecumenism constitute two colossal ruses to fool the unsuspecting Catholic faithful and lead them to a slaughter of their souls.

A repetition of the killing of the innocents ordered by Herod.
rose42, br br What, can't you read and comprehend... (show quote)





Just FYI. The early Christians were named by the Romans as a derogatory slang. The Roman soldiers looked out seeing followers of Jesus saying "look at those little Christ or Christ likes", Christian meaning Christ like. They were not called Catholics since the Catholic church did not begin until Constantine started it on pagan beliefs in 313, the first catholic church.
We are not Protestants but a continuation of the first "Christ likes- Christians and blessed because of the reformation that first brought out the false teachings of Satan's Roman Catholic church and the mass printing of bibles spread throughout nations that was to great of a Bible distribution for the Catholic church to destroy as they had up until then. It opened the freedom to assemble and worship as Christians in many nations without being murdered by the Catholic church. Thank God for Martin Luther having the courage to reveal Satan's Roman Catholic church.

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