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Apr 28, 2014 20:32:18   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
With the difference in what the richest have & the poorest is as far apart as it ever was.

Plus now most live in urban areas as apposed to living on farms. Being poor but able to grow much of your own food means you may be poorer but you still have the means to produce things.

I have lived with the idea that I would take a little less than I could get for what I do.

But with so much greed in the world I am seeking those that might feel much as I do. I wish to hear from those that believe in leaving something on the table for others. If enough believe as I do it would reinforce my values & would stay on much the same track.

On the other hand if there is little good will left in the world I would have to put aside my values & just be greedier in an effort to keep up.
With the difference in what the richest have &... (show quote)


If I remember right, the Jews had a system where every 50 years all debts were canceled. Everyone had a new start.
That seems interesting.

I have always thought just every once in a while, those who have should make adjustments to receive just a little less and give a little more to those who actually do the work. I understand investment cost, all of the incidentals that go with being in business.

At some point in time a successful business makes more money than the owner requires. When that point is reached, why not spread the wealth with those who produced. Not on a permanent basis, but like the Jews every so many years. Just saying.

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Apr 29, 2014 09:05:35   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Armageddun wrote:
If I remember right, the Jews had a system where every 50 years all debts were canceled. Everyone had a new start.
That seems interesting.

I have always thought just every once in a while, those who have should make adjustments to receive just a little less and give a little more to those who actually do the work. I understand investment cost, all of the incidentals that go with being in business.

At some point in time a successful business makes more money than the owner requires. When that point is reached, why not spread the wealth with those who produced. Not on a permanent basis, but like the Jews every so many years. Just saying.
If I remember right, the Jews had a system where e... (show quote)


We are in agreement that things could be better for many if the money moved through the system fairer.

Each of us plays a part in the system. we must guard our self from seeking to be of our material things rather than just being our self as a good person.

We do need to use the goods & services each of us is a part of producing. But we need to this better.

When we seek more material things than we truly need in effect we sell apart of our soul. At some point need becomes greed.

We need to improve our inter personal relations with others with out showing off all of our material things. We need to look for the simple things that make life good.

We can find many things in people just being friends & enjoying their company. A true friend enjoys another for just being a good friend.

We don't need to make our material things the center of what we do with each other.

I feel a growing interest on this forum that many would just like to be friends.

Is that not a good way to seek what changes we need to make the world a better place.

We may not really need to change much. It is just a matter of bringing to the forefront that which is already there.

If we wish to be & have the things we really need we may find we can change the way things are.

Buy looking away from making material things our God we may find that the power truly is in our hands & not in the money changers.

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Apr 29, 2014 10:10:36   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
We are in agreement that things could be better for many if the money moved through the system fairer.

Each of us plays a part in the system. we must guard our self from seeking to be of our material things rather than just being our self as a good person.

We do need to use the goods & services each of us is a part of producing. But we need to this better.

When we seek more material things than we truly need in effect we sell apart of our soul. At some point need becomes greed.

We need to improve our inter personal relations with others with out showing off all of our material things. We need to look for the simple things that make life good.

We can find many things in people just being friends & enjoying their company. A true friend enjoys another for just being a good friend.

We don't need to make our material things the center of what we do with each other.

I feel a growing interest on this forum that many would just like to be friends.

Is that not a good way to seek what changes we need to make the world a better place.

We may not really need to change much. It is just a matter of bringing to the forefront that which is already there.

If we wish to be & have the things we really need we may find we can change the way things are.

Buy looking away from making material things our God we may find that the power truly is in our hands & not in the money changers.
We are in agreement that things could be better fo... (show quote)


How is the system not fair, as it is? What do you mean by "fairer?"

Definitions of Fair
1 Fair: by the rules
2 Fair: paid passage
3 Fair: carnival
4 Fair: aesthetically pleasing

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Apr 29, 2014 10:25:25   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
How is the system not fair, as it is? What do you mean by "fairer?"

Definitions of Fair
1 Fair: by the rules
2 Fair: paid passage
3 Fair: carnival
4 Fair: aesthetically pleasing


I don't always remember just what site I have been on but I did just reply to you on this on another Topic. if you don't find it, it is no big deal.

Fair as in being just. Okay play with that word.

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Apr 29, 2014 10:28:39   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
With the difference in what the richest have & the poorest is as far apart as it ever was.

Plus now most live in urban areas as apposed to living on farms. Being poor but able to grow much of your own food means you may be poorer but you still have the means to produce things.

I have lived with the idea that I would take a little less than I could get for what I do.

But with so much greed in the world I am seeking those that might feel much as I do. I wish to hear from those that believe in leaving something on the table for others. If enough believe as I do it would reinforce my values & would stay on much the same track.

On the other hand if there is little good will left in the world I would have to put aside my values & just be greedier in an effort to keep up.
With the difference in what the richest have &... (show quote)


I believe there is no more greed in the world today than there way yesterday - on the contrary, being poor in America today is better than being poor here any time in the past. There is less stigma and one has more economic goods and services available.

As to individuals, there are many who contribute time and money to charities - although many of them are scams - but people do try.

Meanwhile, we may have a real problem on two levels, one trying to provide too much for too many - causing the enormous national debt and unfunded liabilities. On another level, is it really doing a favor to someone by making them too dependent on others, even if others are the government?

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Apr 29, 2014 11:25:27   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
Dave wrote:
I believe there is no more greed in the world today than there way yesterday - on the contrary, being poor in America today is better than being poor here any time in the past. There is less stigma and one has more economic goods and services available.

As to individuals, there are many who contribute time and money to charities - although many of them are scams - but people do try.

Meanwhile, we may have a real problem on two levels, one trying to provide too much for too many - causing the enormous national debt and unfunded liabilities. On another level, is it really doing a favor to someone by making them too dependent on others, even if others are the government?
I believe there is no more greed in the world toda... (show quote)


To perhaps emphasize your well made point; poverty in America is not only less harsh than just a short time ago, historically. It is far preferable to poverty in most of the members states of the United Nations. At minimum levels our welfare system is luxurious compared to most of the world. By that metric Americans are very generous, broadly speaking.

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Apr 29, 2014 12:25:47   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I agree that is a fine way to look at the issue.

When most people had a little land an tools to make things The free market worked fine.

But through time people have been displaced & few now have the means to produce any thing. In any humane system effort is made to include these people in the system.

Our nation was founded by those that believe in this.

Sp I ask of you just what is to become of those you would so quickly push a side as being useless in your view?
I agree that is a fine way to look at the issue. b... (show quote)


Did I say that anyone was useless? Must have missed that in my statement. Only used the example I did because it is easier to explain that going through the same format but with different examples, but could just as well used car repairs, driveway shoveling, house cleaning, dog walking and roof repair, which are all city functions, but might have gotten too complicated.
For the most part, a person is useless if he makes himself useless, but I have never declared anyone useless. Period

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Apr 29, 2014 15:08:08   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Did I say that anyone was useless? Must have missed that in my statement. Only used the example I did because it is easier to explain that going through the same format but with different examples, but could just as well used car repairs, driveway shoveling, house cleaning, dog walking and roof repair, which are all city functions, but might have gotten too complicated.
For the most part, a person is useless if he makes himself useless, but I have never declared anyone useless. Period



Every human being has worth and value. John 3:16
However so many look for the right answers in the wrong places.

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Apr 29, 2014 15:37:43   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I don't always remember just what site I have been on but I did just reply to you on this on another Topic. if you don't find it, it is no big deal.

Fair as in being just. Okay play with that word.


What do you mean by just, then?

Within the law?

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