Jack2014

This article below is great listening for those of you that have put up w all the Nevada,so-called, freedom confrontation. The Murdock news media( pox) has led the charge to defame the BLM for trying to collect legitimate fees for cattle grazing on Federal Lands.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/24/1294263/-MUST-SEE-Hannity-attacks-Jon-Stewart-Big-mistake-Jon-responds-with-EPIC-smackdown?detail=email#
Also brought into the affair is a
kind of land grab supposedly sponsored by Harry Reid in conjunction w the Chinese Solar Company. Harry has been involved because he has been openly criticizing the Koch's for their attempted purchase of the federal government by buying the Repuglican Party. They already own the Bircher Tea Party which almost got the government destroyed this past year by Shutdown followed by Default threats. Of course,the Koch's already own several state governments which are being directed by ALEC. This has resulted in a whole lot of severe gerrymandering of election districts and minority and senior voter suppression.
The cartoonists have provided really good controversial posters for this thread.

Dumby at it again


Pox on the prowl, to destroy the news!


Can you get any dumber? Skinheads beware!

Jack2014

And now, pox and others especially the Koch AFP attack President Obama and Sen. Udall for their high level of concern about the Aurora Theatre Bombing Casualties AT THE HOSPITAL IN AURORA,COLORADO! WTH
C'MON TPERS AND BIRCHERS,HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS KIND OF GARBAGE.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/204221-koch-group-faces-blowback-after-using-aurora-image

Better description:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/23/1294113/-Here-s-just-how-low-the-Kochs-will-go?detail=email

AFP stands for ALL PUKEY PUBLICANTS

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

It was a classic 2 day smackdown of this man and his supporters' mind-bending idiocy.

Land grab.....hilarious.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

They don't have to explain it. It matters not, to them, if it makes any sense or not. It's "gospel" to them because their handlers told them it was.

These right-wing folks remind me of the "Borg" from Star Trek, The Next Generation. The "Collective" (RNC, Tea Party, Libertarian Party, right-wing extremists militias, John Birch Party, NRA) tells them what to do, think and say. The Collective gets it orders from the "Queen" (Koch brothers). Now, THAT, makes sense!

Jack2014

Thanks, alabuck!,
That certainly clears things up! Star Trekker eh? The originals are still my favorites but Next Generation and Voyager were really well done.

Still don't see how the R hypocrites get around this one

Jack2014

Here's another article about Bumby
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/24/1294275/-Cliven-Bundy-wants-to-tell-you-about-the-Negro-I-want-to-tell-you-about-Cliven-Bundy?detail=email

Dare any or All Puglicans to go drink a straight glass of Koch plant effluent! Take an ambulance w you

rumitoid

Cut and paste from http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/dana-loesch-if-bundy-trespass-cows-were-illegal-aliens-theyd-get-ebt-cards-obama-phones-video/
The Cliven Bundy standoff, involving an angry rancher who refuses to pay federal grazing fees, took a new, ugly turn Wednesday night when the New York Times reported horrifying comments he made about “the Negro” and slavery. Meanwhile, Bundy’s quest continues to grip Fox News audiences. This is largely because his story is more reasonable if you watch Fox’s creative, often fictionalized version of it.

Here, then, are nearly two dozen claims that have been uttered in defense of Bundy by Fox personalities, other right-wing pundits and Bundy himself. (A good deal of them, alas, come from Sean Hannity.)

For each claim, we’ve offered a bit of a fact-check or truthful context afterward.

1. “The BLM’s actions lacked proportionality.” (Sean Hannity) The Bureau of Land Management simply arrived to take cattle, per a court order. They didn’t show up with guns drawn and they never even entered Bundy’s property. They did, however, carry arms for a good reason: They had received intelligence that Bundy and his crew might cause trouble. There is nothing “disproportionate” about being prepared.

2. “The BLM pointed guns at children.” The Republican Nevada Assemblywoman Michelle Fiore has been saying this during her 15 minutes of fame, including on “All In With Chris Hayes” on MSNBC last week. There has been no evidence offered that the BLM “pointed guns at children.” Bundy’s teenage son attempted to assault officers and kicked a police dog and resisted arrest, and so they used a taser on him, as well they should have.

3. “The Feds are going to ‘cause another Waco’.” (Cliven Bundy, et al.) The feds are trying to avoid another Waco. The U.S. government did not “cause Waco” but rather botched the response; they could have waited it out more patiently to avoid the loss of life of innocent children. And this is exactly why the feds have not pressed the issue (yet) with Bundy, and why the BLM stood down.
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4. “Since when does the government send armed officers to collect a debt?” (Hannity) Many repossession and foreclosure actions often involve a sheriff or other armed officials, and confiscation of property is an ordinary means by which a government resolves a debt. For example, if you accumulate 20 years of unpaid parking tickets, a court will order that your car be booted and towed until you pay. And if you point a rifle at the cop or otherwise assault him, you might get shot (or tased).

5. “Nobody has seen any bill for $1.1 million. It doesn’t exist.” (Michelle Fiore, R-Nevada Assembly, on MSNBC) Bundy says he has “never been sent a bill” but also says he never opens mail from the U.S. government because he does not recognize the U.S. government’s existence. A court has ordered him to pay a debt of $1.1 million in accumulated fines and fees for having put greater than his allowed quota of cattle on federally protected tortoise habitat.

6. “The BLM provoked, escalated this controversy.” Rep. Steve Stockman, R-Texas, made this accusation, as have numerous others. If an armed resistance is put up against an asset seizure by law enforcement officials who are acting under a court order, the provocation is exclusively the work of those who have chosen to threaten the lawmen with violence.

7. “The land is not being used — it’s not like they want to build a school, road or hospital on it.” (Hannity) How federal land is used is determined by federal law. A citizen does not get to decide for himself whether the land should remain vacant or grazed, or whether something should be built on it.

8. “Harry Reid and his son have a financial motive to remove Bundy’s cows.” (Bob Massi, Fox News legal correspondent) There is no evidence at all that Harry Reid or his son have any financial or political interest in what is going on. Don’t believe everything you hear on Fox News, especially when the reporter qualifies it, as Massi did here, by saying, “We don’t really know if it’s true.”

9. “The BLM killed cattle and put the corpses in a mass grave.” There is no evidence that the BLM euthanized Bundy’s cattle except some photos and footage of dubious pedigree being aired nightly on Fox News. That said, it is possible that a cow or two could have died during the roundup. Cattle are occasionally killed in large roundups. Now, if there was a mass euthanizing of cattle, the BLM should be forced to explain that.

10. “The sheriff is the only man with arresting power in Clark county.” Bundy has made this claim in his nightly appearance on the Sean Hannity show, and it has long been a favorite talking point of Tea Partyers, especially in the West. But it is false. Federal officers have arresting power where federal land is trespassed or where federal law has otherwise been broken. The BLM does have an obligation under federal regulations to seek the cooperation of local law enforcement to resolve certain disputes. But in this case, the sheriff refused to help out.

11. “People should not die over a few cows eating free government grass.” (Hannity) That’s true, which is why Bundy and his militia members should not have chosen to point guns at federal officials and escalate the situation. Now, those militia members could find themselves getting shot or even killed. Such is the consequence of pointing rifles at lawmen trying to do their job.

12. “How could a cow possibly eat $1.1 million of grass?” (Bundy’s daughter, Stetsy Bundy) Cows can easily eat a million bucks worth of grass but that’s neither here nor there. Grazing fees are not assessed by weighing the amount of tonnage that a cow eats. It is a per-animal-unit, per-month fee, and it adds up over 20 years. Furthermore, Bundy’s liability is as much for fines for illegal trespass as it is for fees.

13. “What’s wrong with Bundy’s cows simply cutting the grass for free?” (Hannity) A trespass is not forgiven simply because the trespasser believes he is performing a service for the owner. Furthermore, “cutting grass” is not depriving the owner of a nuisance but rather taking a valuable resource (edible grass) from the owner.

14. “Bundy has rights to the land because his ancestors worked the land prior to formation of BLM.” Bundy has made this argument himself and others have echoed it, but even if Bundy’s ancestors did work the land (and we only have his word that they did, and he is notoriously dishonest), as of the passage of the Taylor Act in 1934 they would have had to pay grazing fees. And it was never private land. The parcel that Bundy is trespassing has been owned by the U.S. government ever since it was purchased and/or won from Mexico or Spain.

15. “This is all predicated on a tortoise that is not even endangered.” (Hannity) The decision as to whether the tortoise is endangered and whether it can withstand grazing, and how much, is one for biologists to make and can be challenged in court by anyone that disagrees with it, in which case the government must show that it is using valid science.

16. “Grazing more cattle on federal land will keep beef prices down.” Sean Hannity made this idiotic remark two nights ago. If the government wants to centrally control the market for beef (as it sometimes does with other commodities) it is a policy decision to be made by Congress and the Department of Agriculture, not Mr. Bundy or Sean Hannity.

17. “We have rapists, pedophiles and murderers. Why is government focusing on this piece of land?” (Hannity) The government’s decision to seize the assets of a scofflaw will not cause rapes, murders or acts of pedophilia to be neglected. Law enforcement is capable of multitasking.

18. “The feds should simply put a lien on Bundy’s property.” (Fiore, Hannity et al) Yes, they can and they should (and likely have already, since it’s been going on 20 years), and this would mean that when his cows arrive at market, the proceeds would go directly to the government. But realized that the collection of the past due amount is only one issue — the other is that Bundy continues to run his cows on land that is closed to grazing, and a lien won’t accomplish that.

19. “If you owed money, would you like it if the government came to your house and pointed guns at you and your wife and family?” (Fiore) The BLM did not “point guns” at the Bundys until the Bundys assaulted them. The BLM was doing its job, and Bundy’s armed supporters threatened them with force and the son assaulted one of the officers and his dog.

20. “Peaceful protesters were relocated miles away from entrance to the Bundy ranch, and denied their First Amendment Rights.” (Brian Sandoval, GOP governor of Nevada) When law enforcement needs to operate in a tense situation, they are within their rights to move protesters to an area safely away from the action. This is for their own protection, and it is especially appropriate where some of the protesters bring weapons.

21. “Bundy has already paid fees to Nevada County.” Dana Loesch, a frequent guest on Fox, has repeatedly made this peculiar argument. Whatever Bundy might have paid to Nevada County is of no consequence to his federal tax bill. You cannot avoid a federal tax bill by paying fees and taxes to the county.

22. “If the cattle were illegal immigrants, the Justice Department would be running guns to them and Homeland Security would be giving them free phones.” (Dana Loesch) Even if this were true (and it isn’t), cattle are not illegal immigrants. Nor does this silly hypothetical scenario bear in any way on the fact that Bundy and his thugs have broken the law by ignoring several court orders, and interfering with law enforcement in many ways.

rumitoid

Almost any serious journalist finds Sean Hannity a disgrace to the profession. Besides not having any journalism courses or background, the man averages three half-truths a show by using quotes out of context or abbreviated to give a false impression. But below is a short list of documented outright lies:
On the Feb. 27 edition of Hannity, host Sean Hannity replayed part of his Feb. 26 interview with Rep. Keith Ellison. During the exchange, Ellison responded to Hannity’s question about the federal debt being “immoral” by saying, “You are immoral for telling lies.” Hannity asked, “I’m immoral? What did I do that’s immoral?” Ellison responded, “You tell mistruths. You say things that aren’t true.” Speaking before the clip was aired, Hannity said Ellison “at times, seemed incoherent” and “really started grasping at straws.” After the clip was aired, Hannity said to guest J.C. Watts, “I just gave him the rope and said, go. Here you go, rant away.”

10. Hannity Hyped RNC’s Doctored Audio of Supreme Court Arguments. Hannity uncritically aired a Republican National Committee (RNC) ad that used audio from Supreme Court oral arguments to attack health care reform — but the audio used in the ad was dishonestly edited. [Media Matters, 3/30/12]

9. Hannity Distorted CBO Data to Attack Obama. Hannity claimed that a January 2012 Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report showed that if Obama were to win a second term, taxes would “go up 30 percent.” In fact, the report only stated that taxes would increase at such a rate if all the Bush tax cuts were allowed to expire. [Media Matters, 2/2/12]

8. Hannity Falsely Claimed a White House Adviser “Advocated Compulsory Abortion.” Hannity claimed that White House science and technology adviser John Holdren “advocated compulsory abortion” and sterilization. PolitiFact had previously rated a similar claim — made months earlier by Fox News’ Glenn Beck — “pants on fire” false. [Media Matters, 9/9/09]
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7. Hannity Falsely Claimed Obama Called the Death of Four Americans “Just a Bump in the Road.” Hannity claimed that Obama referred to the death of four Americans in the September 2012 attack on a U.S. compound in Benghazi as “just a bump in the road.” In fact, Obama was referring to the difficulties Arab countries were facing in transitioning from autocratic rule to democracy. [Media Matters, 9/25/12]

6. Hannity Spread False Report That Egypt Was Considering Necrophilia Bill. Hannity hyped a thinly sourced report from an Egyptian newspaper to claim that the Egyptian government was considering a law that would allow a husband to have sex with his dead wife. The Christian Science Monitor called the story “utter hooey,” and multiple sources later debunked the claim. [Media Matters, 4/30/12; Huffington Post, 4/26/12]

5. Hannity’s Special on “Liberal Bias” Featured Wildly Distorted and Out-of-Context Quotes. Hannity’s “Behind the Bias” special, in which he purported to investigate the “bias” of “the mainstream media,” featured multiple deceptively cropped quotes. For example, he played a clip purporting to show that Katie Couric called President Ronald Reagan “an airhead”; in fact, Couric was citing a conclusion from a biography of Reagan. [Media Matters, 4/24/11]

4. Hannity Cast Doubt on Scientific Consensus About Climate Change. Even though the overwhelming majority of scientists agree that global warming is occurring and is likely caused or exacerbated by human activity, Hannity has repeatedly denied or cast doubt on the existence of climate change. [Media Matters, 12/4/09, 1/13/10, 8/27/10, 11/19/10, 6/24/11]

3. Hannity Fueled Myth That Obama Is a Muslim. During a segment in March 2011 in which he fueled the smear that Obama was not born in the U.S., Hannity claimed that Obama “went to a Muslim school.” In March 2012, while claiming that he was “not doubting [Obama's] faith,” Hannity said, “[L]ook, he did write about his early years, that he did study the Quran, that one of the most beautiful moments in life was prayer at sunset. So, I mean, he does have that background.” [Media Matters, 3/24/11, 3/21/12]

2. Hannity Fed the Birther Movement. Hannity repeatedly fed the long-standing smear that Obama was not born in the United States, even after Obama released his birth certificate and multiple fact-checkers debunked the smear. Hannity denied that Obama had shown his birth certificate and once falsely claimed that Obama “grew up in Kenya.” [Media Matters, 3/28/11, 4/20/12]

1. Hannity Ignored Overwhelming Evidence to Repeatedly Claim Obama’s Policies Have Not Helped Improve the Economy. Hannity has repeatedly claimed that President Obama’s policies have not improved the economy. In fact, numerous economists and independent analysts have noted that many of Obama’s policy achievements, such as the stimulus, have benefited the economy: GDP is growing rather than contracting as it was at the end of 2008, and the economy has added millions of jobs. [Media Matters, 1/13/10, 7/14/11, 2/2/12]

Jack2014

Rumitoid,
You should have written this thread instead of me! Gold stuff! The pukes are going to be puking on it all weekend!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/24/1294275/-Cliven-Bundy-wants-to-tell-you-about-the-Negro-I-want-to-tell-you-about-Cliven-Bundy?detail=email

cold iron Loc: White House

First you are a bigot, 2nd you are a ass hole.

UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA

This is a valid point that George Washington would've taken troops in to Bundy's ranch like he did with the Whisky rebellion.

I think Stewart brought up fair points to consider. Sometimes Hannity is selective when making his cases while being blind to a balanced viewpoint. In particular, I didn't know that Ronald Reagan was responsible for the permanent law of federal eminent domain in this cattle grazing case. I was under the impression it was Obama by the way Hannity argued things. The way Hannity made it out, it was an unconstitutional, federal overreach. I don't think that argument holds water with Reagan admirers.

Hannity has lost some credibility as being "fair and balanced" - at least for me. Time will tell whether he can earn it back.

From my perspective after reading more on this case, Bundy has simply been itching for a forced confrontation with the federal government as a delusional fantasy that he would become a folk hero. Instead, history will teach how he is an ignorant fool.

Jack2014

[quote=cold iron]
There you go again! Calling others what you are! Shame on you!
Do you hang w these pukes too?

cold iron Loc: White House

[quote=Jack2014]


Only pukes around here is you jackass.

Jack2014

Sponge Bob mike,
Ponder this? We know what you are,libertarian!
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers
Here read it again!
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

You are also a fool besides having shot your 6 bullets, puke


Did you ever find them?


So you're one of these too?

cold iron Loc: White House

Back in the days before the pin heads of America voted in a bigger pin head it was normal to put a lien on someones property if they failed to pay a tax or fee. But today the power to be need all the green backs they can get there hands on to keep funding the illegals, the couch potato's, the stoners, the blacks and anyone one else with there hand out. Just the hard facts.