Floyd Brown wrote:
You have to make it in the same world I am in.
We both are at the mercy of those that control most of what goes on around us.
There is nothing special about either of us in the whole spectrum of what goes on in the nation we live in.
We have given any power we may ever had to those that now control us in ways you & I feel.
Only you chose to support those that do the most to upset the life we all could have for scraps they may give you.
I live my life with in my self.
I have collected some scraps too.
I am pleased with what I am.
I think & do pretty much what I want.
I am a survivor.
I ask from others to only do their best.
I find in dealing with people that usually works just fine.
I feel that many people are afraid to be open & accepting of others.
When dealing with others in the real world I try to give others the kindnes & trust they give me.
Some how I do not feel that this site reflects the real world.
To many live with a fear that they lack what it takes to make it in this world with out special laws or rules to protect what they think is important.
As long as they can identify them self as part of a superior group they are fine.
Feeling they are superior to others is part of their personal make up.
I look at my self as being equal with others.
Part of what I am trying to bring out from others is that they are equal to others & can stand on their own as they face the world.
I wish to live in a would of equals.
Our personal possessions or lack of them are not a measure of how & we stand among equals.
I have more than some & less than others.
I am comfortable but feel that all deserve a chance to reach their final days with the personal security I have.
I know that personal life styles do not always contain the personal efforts needed to reach their needs.
The economic system needs a healthy exchange of effort & division of gains to see that things run with a smoothness.
A smoothness where every one can have the means to have the minimum means to get by.
It is not about how much any other persons may have.
If as a society we should see that all can have a realistic chance to be a part of the whole.
As a nation our founding fathers set forth basic guide lines that are not being fully followed.
We have had a faulty interpretation by some of what the true measure of the constitution was mean to be.
Well the world around us is going to bring about changes to how they will interact with us.
Our leaders & most influential citizens are looking out for their own interest in getting through the coming changes.
They are continuing to move their assets to other nations.
So you need to ask your self: as this nation is picked apart in what is like going bankrupt.
Where will you find yours self ending up?
I am trying to find out just what it is that I can leave my children.
What is the best advice a father can give his children in the face of what is going on around us now.
They are all working & living useful lifes now.
They live the American dream now.
Are my grand & great grand children going to be used as bodies in a war to save this nation.
Will they come out of if they are lucky with a whole body?
From what I read you write:
You think that war will be the only answer.
WHAT DO YOU PERSONALY THINK YOU WILL GAIN FROM WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
The risk is part of the cost that will be paid.
For the average person the cost will never be covered by the possible gains.
is there any assuredness that a person will come out even with only a whole body?
I get from you that what I feel & think is all mixed up.
My & my family's life & well being is the most important issue in my life.
Well national pride is not being shown as being the most important issue by those with the most to lose.
YOU & I WILL FACE MUCH THE SAME FUTURE OUT COME FROM WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE.
I fail to see just how I will feel the loss more than you.
Because you are on the right & I am on the left.
If we stay divided we as individuals will never be a true part of any gains made.
We will only get what ever is left after others take what they want.
If you are a true part of the system & have the assets that need to grown to allow you to continue to want to go to war.
You will need bodies to sacrifice for your protection.
Just what is in it for those that will protect you?
Well I am to old to offer much protection.
Plus you do not want to give up what it will cost you for your protection if I could.
Well trusting the poor & those that have been left out or the gains you have & want to save.
Will only come back to haunt you when those you trust to protect you come back for their reward.
Pay it or be prepared to face them with their new skills.
Even if either us could escape the usual cost of wars.
The war we may well see is the war that will destroy the world more harshly than any war before.
Will leave us exposed too the harshness of the most costly war ever taking place.
We as a nation have shown that we can cause great damage but we no longer can win a war.
Winning a war means troops on the ground.
As a nation we have trained many of those that we are now fighting.
If we can not or will not put troops on the ground we can never win a war.
All we can do is kill more people than any one else.
So if you are for war what do you have to offer in the way of being one of those troops on the ground.
Offer that commitment or shut up.
You have to make it in the same world I am in. br ... (
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"Only you chose to support those that do the most to upset the life we all could have for scraps they may give you." - Floyd
Floyd you have the slave cowardly mentality.
Give up, and the PTB won't come after you.
You are the one accepting scraps.
Ben Franklin is quoted;
"Those that would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."
You just gave an example of what Franklin was writing of.
We are both against the Bilderberger's CFR foreign policy.
BOTH parties have been completely controlled by the war mongering elitists.
Endless War Explained In 2 Minutes
https://youtu.be/z2hRRGHBeSw The Council on Foreign Relations - James Perloff Exposes the CFR Agenda - Corbett Report
https://youtu.be/VT3BzYUZpo4 This is how the take over of BOTH parties was achieved:
Both party “leaderships” have been partners in the International Banker’s NWO/NeoCON Agenda
Both parties have promoted - NWO Fascism/Warfare & NWO Socialism (international bank funding and bailouts by taxpayers)
Both parties have been partners in working for the PRIVATE Federal Reserve Bankers. “OUR” Government bailed the Banksters out, and left the citizens/taxpayers holding the bag for Trillions.
Both parties have promoted perpetual “war”. Just pay attention to Obama’s Foreign policy; Same as the NeoCON’s foreign policy of perpetual wars; based on the phony “War on Terrorism”.
The election fixers have been trying to put it in place again, to eliminate all other non-owned candidates.
The banker controlled media (FOX,CNN,CBS.NBC, and ABC do all they can to install another CFR puppet. Just go to You Tube to see the prejudice and party corruption used against Ron Paul. The owned media, with their Talking Bobble Heads, are full partners in our nation’s sell out to a world socialist/fascist dictatorship run by wannabe slave masters.
Who will open their eyes and wake up others?
Some CFR commentary
http://www.alpheus.org/html/source_materials/parapolitics/CFR_NWO.htm The 3,000 seats of the CFR quickly filled with members of America's elite. Today,CFR members occupy key positions in government, the mass media, financial institutions, multinational corporations, the military, and the national security apparatus.
Since its inception, the CFR has served as an intermediary between high finance, big oil, corporate elitists and the U.S. government. The executive branch changes hands between Republican and Democratic administrations, but cabinet seats are always held by CFR members. It has been said by political commentators on the left and on the right that if you want to know what U.S. foreign policy will be next year, you should read Foreign Affairs this year.
The CFR's claim that "The Council has no affiliation with the U.S. government" is laughable. The justification for that statement is that funding comes from member dues, subscriptions to its Corporate Program, foundation grants, and so forth. All this really means is that the U.S. government does not exert any control over the CFR via the purse strings.
In reality, CFR members are very tightly affiliated with the U.S. government. Since 1940, every U.S. secretary of state (except for Gov. James Byrnes of South Carolina, the sole exception) has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and/or its younger brother, the Trilateral Commission. Also since 1940, every secretary of war and every secretary of defense has been a CFR member. During most of its existence, the Central Intelligence Agency has been headed by CFR members, beginning with CFR founding member Allen Dulles. Virtually every key U.S. national security and foreign policy adviser has been a CFR member for the past seventy years.
Almost all White House cabinet positions are occupied by CFR members. President Clinton, himself a member of the CFR, the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group, employs almost one hundred CFR members in his administration. Presidents come and go, but the CFR's power--and agenda--always remains.
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The CFR's Shroud of Secrecy - On its web page, the CFR boasts that its magazine, Foreign Affairs, "is acclaimed for its analysis of recent international developments and for its forecasts of emerging trends." It's not much of a challenge to do so, though, when you play a part in determining what those emerging trends will be.
This point is underscored a paragraph later on their web page: "Perhaps best known for the history-making "X" article by George Kennan, that defined Cold War containment policy, a recent Foreign Affairs article by Harvard's Samuel Huntington, "The Clash of Civilizations?" has already helped define the post-Cold War debate."
So are they predicting trends or creating them? The answer is fairly obvious to anyone who has earnestly reflected on the matter.
The CFR fancies itself to represent a diverse range cultural and political interests, but its members are predominantly wealthy males, and their policies reflect their elitist biases. The CFR attempts to maintain the charade of diversity via its Non-Attribution Rule, which allows members to engage in "a free, frank, and open exchange of ideas" without fear of having any of their statements attributed in public. The flip side of this, obviously, is a dark cloud of secrecy which envelopes the CFR's activities.
CFR meetings are usually held in secret and are restricted to members and very select guests. All members are free to express themselves at meetings unrestrained, because the Non-Attribution Rule guarantees that "others will not attribute or characterize their statements in public media forums or knowingly transmit them to persons who will," according to the Council on Foreign Relations' 1992 Annual Report.
The report goes on to forbid any meeting participant "to publish a speaker's statement in attributed form in any newspaper; to repeat it on television or radio, or on a speaker's platform, or in a classroom; or to go beyond a memo of limited circulation."
The end result is that the only information the public has on the CFR is the information they release for public consumption, which should send up red flags for anyone who understands the immense effect that CFR directives have on America's foreign policy. The public knows what the CFR wants the public to know about the CFR, and nothing more. There is one hole in the fog of secrecy, however: a book entitled Tragedy and Hope, written by an "insider" named Dr. Carroll Quigley, mentor of Bill Clinton.
Google: “Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral, Commission, Bilderberg Group”________________________________________
CFR Roster Source:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/cfrall1.htm#d A few more notables in Both Parties Serving Bilderberger’s CFR/TC/BB AGENDA:
Both Bushes - CFR,B (R)
Dick Cheney - CFR,TC (R)
Both Clintons - CFR,TC,B (D)
Albert Gore, Jr. CFR (D)
Obama & Biden - CFR (D
Jimmy Carter - CFR,TC (D)
Newt Gingrich - CFR (R)
Mitch McConnell - CFR (R)
Heidi Cruz - CFR (R)
Rick Perry - BB (D&R)
John Kerry CFR (D)
John McCain - CFR (R)
Condoleezza Rice CFR/84 (R)
Zbig Brzezinski - TC, BB (D)
H. Kissinger - CFR,TC,BB ( R) Paul Volker- CFR,TC,BB (D) Alan Greenspan CFR,TC, BB
Ben Bernanke - BB
Tim Geithner - CFR,TC BB
George Soros - CFR,BB
Donald Rumsfeld CFR ,BB(R)
Jacob “Jack” Lew CFR (D)
David Rockefeller CFR,TC,BB
Jerome H. Powell (Fed Chairman) CFR
THE MEDIA:
George Will - CFR,TC (R)
Katherine A. "Katie" Couric CFR
George Stephanopoulos
CFR, BB (D)
William Kristol BB (R) William Buckley Jr. CFR,BB (R)
Tom Brokaw CFR
FOX owner
Rupert Murdock – CFR, BB
FOX SPINNERS
John Bolton CFR (R)
Dick Morris (D&R)
Charles Krauthammer CFR
Washington Post owner
Katherine Graham CFR,TC,BB
David Richmond Gergen - CNN SPINNER BB/CFR/TC/92
Robert B. Reich CFR
Brian Williams - CFR
Larry Kudlow - CFR’88
Military
General David Petraeus CFR,
X-CIA Director
Chuck Hagel CFR
Colin Powell CFR/BB’86
In the News:
Haley Barbour CFR
Eric Holder CFR
Larry Summers CFR, BB
Janet Yellen CFR
Jeh Johnson CFR
Ashton Carter CFR/92
Chuck Hagel CFR
More Politicians:
Fred Thompson CFR (R)
Charles B. Rangel CFR (D)
Barney Frank CFR (D)
Richard Newton Gardner CFR/RS/TC/84
Ruth Bader Ginsburg (D) CFR/92
Sandra Day O'Connor (R) CFR/92
Neil M. Gorsuch? CFR (R)
Madeleine Albright CFR (D)
Robert S. Mcnamara CFR (D)
Warren Christopher CFR (D)
Madeleine Albright CFR (D)
Samuel Richard ("Sandy") Berger CFR/BB
International Bankers
JamesWolfensohn BB,CFR,TC
Paul Wolfowitz BB,CFR,TC
Obama’s Executive Cabinet members:
Vice President of the United States
Joseph R. Biden CFR/88
Department of State
Secretary Hillary Rodham BB/CFR/RS/TC –
See Hillary’s speaches at CFR meeting on Youtube
Department of the Treasury
Secretary Timothy F. Geithner BB/CFR/TC/09
NOW: Jacob “Jack” Lew CFR
Department of Defense
Secretary Leon E. Panetta?
Need to research his background
Chuck Hagel CFR
CFR Foreign Policy;
General Wesley Clark explains ISIS was created by U.S. Allies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojcoKnTGf4sIsrael Lobbyist in US: We Need a False Flag to Start War with Iran
https://youtu.be/Se32hATeIvw