working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

This is just lovely. NC Republicans have drawn themselves districts that have twice been ruled unconstitutional by federal courts. Yet here we are again...using unconstitutional districts to elect our representatives in 2018.
NC is as purple as it gets, yet once again we will be represented as red.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/09/05/north-carolina-voting-map-republicans-midterms/1199788002/

NC Republicans....disenfranchising voters since 2011. They don't care...nor do the national Republicans so concerned with voter fraud they had a committee assembled to look into the issue.
Hypocrites.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Well the Supreme of the US ruled against those lower court rulings and that is why they will remain place...

Gerrymandering is as old as the laws are and find their balance in BOTH sides using supposed tactics...

The court upheld three of four district maps in Texas that critics argued intentionally discriminated against minority voters, but struck down one.

In North Carolina, it wiped away a lower court opinion that had invalidated congressional maps there as an unconstitutional partisan gerrymander.


The decision on Monday marked yet another step by the Supreme Court on gerrymandering cases. Last week, the court punted on alleged gerrymandering in Wisconsin and Maryland, allowing the maps to stand for now.

"The common thread in the court's gerrymandering decisions this term has been to generally make it harder for plaintiffs to bring these claims," said CNN legal analyst and University of Texas Law School professor Steve Vladeck, "and to generally allow states more flexibility and deference in drawing congressional and state district lines."
an unsigned order Monday, the court wiped away a lower court opinion that had invalidated congressional maps in North Carolina as an unconstitutional partisan gerrymander and instructed the lower court to revisit the case in light of the Supreme Court's recent opinion concerning maps in Wisconsin.

In that case, Gill v. Whitford, a 9-0 court held that challengers did not have the legal right to bring the suit because they had failed to prove "concrete and particularized" injury that would demonstrate that the right to vote had been burdened.

Now the lower court will have to see how the Wisconsin ruling should impact North Carolina.

Even before ruling, the Supreme Court had suggested it was skeptical of the North Carolina ruling. The court voted 7-2 in January to put it on hold until it could act. That meant the maps would likely be used for the next election.


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/25/politics/supreme-court-north-carolina-gerrymandering/index.html

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

SCOTUS did not rule on the NC case, therefore the rulings of the federal courts are the final word and 'unconstitutional' is the operative word. No matter how one slices it, these federal courts have ruled that NC Republicans drew their districts to disenfranchise voters who do not agree with them. The first ruling was that Republicans drew the districts with 'surgical precision' to discriminate against black Americans and the second court ruled that the Republicans drew the lines drawn were to disenfranchise Democrats (a Republican memo stated that the reason the districts are 10 to 3 for Rep.s is because they couldn't figure out a way to make it 11-2).

woodguru

But this isn't a partisan supreme court when they overrule lower courts that are supporting the constitution? Something is wrong when states with dem majorities have GOP congress and senates.

North Carolina is the state that decided (due to it's red majority) that the newly elected dem governor couldn't have the same powers that the GOP governor had.

woodguru

This isn't voter fraud, it's election fraud

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

I stand corrected. I meant that the NC Republicans are defrauding the voters but your point is taken.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Pardon me, but on what basis did SCOTUS declare those districts unconstitutional? I always thought that this country was founded on the basis that it consisted of fifty different autonomous states. And don't people like workingclass stiff have a right to move to another state if they don't like NC's setup?
Just asking.

I can't wait for the screams of racism, etc. from Kevyn, moldyoldy, PeterS, etc.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

SCOTUS didn't rule on them. Other federal courts did. SCOTUS chose not to take up the issue. It was those courts (state and federal) that ruled.

I also have a right to free and fair elections in my state. You are putting the cart before the horse. If I were to move instead of working to fix the problem the cheaters would win and feel justified. You seem to think rigged elections are fair as long as they work...

Just sayin'...

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

The Democratic primary was rigged for Hillary and we didn't hear anything about it from you. So...YOU think rigged elections are OK as long as they are rigged for you side, I see.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Since you weren't here at the time you have no clue whether I said anything about that or not.
As I voted for Sanders in the primary I was not a happy camper with the selection of Mrs. Clinton. So perhaps you should know what you're talking about before opening your yap, huh?

I do notice you totally ignored the point of the thread, however, just so you could get in a little dig. Typical of right wingers at this point.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

I only responded to your dig. My goal was to make an ironic point i.e. you said we support rigged elections when we go by 'established' maps, yet the ONLY rigged election in MY memory was the Democratic primary. I'm pretty sure I hit the ironic bullseye right in the middle and on topic too. Atypical right wing but completely typical leftist denial.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

The only people I accused of supporting this rigged election in my state were the NC Republicans. Are you one?

I was then told I had a right to move if I didn't like it. I told that responder it seems he supports rigged elections. So, no, you missed the bullseye.
And still, I have not heard a conservative say that this state of affairs in NC (voting in districts that have twice been ruled unconstitutional by intent to discriminate) should be changed...much less acknowledge that it is un-American.

Sigh....