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Sep 3, 2018 17:19:51   #
emarine
 
Super Dave wrote:
Logic suggests you all for the military budget you need, regardless of what you "ask" others to spend on their defense.




I clearly stated I was for a Military audit showing where trillions of tax payer money went & to who... this would expose part of the Plutocratic tyranny in America today... I feel we the people pay for it so we deserve to know... simple logic Dave nothing confusing here...

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Sep 3, 2018 17:30:41   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
My friend, it is you who are wrong. Your words do not match your actions - or perhaps I should say your words in one place do not match your words in another place. If you aren't stripping the wealth from the rich by raising taxes on them, then what are you doing? You say "the benefits they receive from our government." What you apparently don't realize is that our government doesn't have any money that it doesn't first take from our citizens in the form of taxes. Of course, they print money or borrow it (same thing), then it has to be paid back in the future - and by whom? You guessed it. US citizens. I maintain that liberals do want equal outcome, or at least MORE equal outcome. You complain that redistribution of wealth and tearing down the rich are not real goals of the left but what in the world do call that which you have been preaching? I call it jealousy and class warfare. Under free market capitalism, anyone can start a business and endeavor to get ahead. He also has the right to take a risk and maybe to fail, just like the guys (or gals) did who you are complaining don't pay enough taxes. Oil rich countries? How about Venezuela? Leftist policies didn't work out so well there did they? BTW, a wealthy country doesn't necessarily equate to a high cost of living. Do you think Saudi Arabia has no poor people? If so, do you think they feel better since they live in an oil-rich nation?
My friend, it is you who are wrong. Your words do... (show quote)




the problem in Venezuela is not the direction of leaning govt, they could just as easily be right leaning.. they are however criminals.. they are not governing, the are looting..

My point on poor people was not that some country did not have them, but rather that a poor american going to any other country would then be rich or poor or nineteen based on the nations cost of living..

they would have bring whatever money they got in America and that would not be possible.. so your saying compare a poor american to how poor some Somalian is has no more meaning the comparing a poor american to
a poor Norweign.. Better stated, a person is poor relative only to other people in the society in which they live. We serve no purpose by comparing them to any other nation..

CDM also have a remark about business owners, No one in America, or any place else, makes a business completely by themselves. so a businessman does not create his business unless he has access to funds, real estate and education at the very least.

So those who get the most from these inputs should be happy to repay the nation for providing them..

You do not like taxes, I dont like taxes.. but I see them as a duty.. our nation is not free we have to pay for it.

So with all the govt overspending, I do my duty and pay my taxes.. any patriot will do the same..

Now once more if the nation goods and services give more to one person then to another, by whatever means, the payment due should be higher, as in a graduated tax..

I lead a pretty darn comfortable life... I had a good little business and some luck.. but I did not make money at the expense of others and I do not think the rich should in any way received a tax cut..

Yes, I do like the fact that I saved some money and next year I will get a bigger payday tax wise on some land I sold..

consider the country.. do you think putting the wealth and power in the hands of 10% can in anyway be good for the nations future?

By the way... taxes on the rich have never, in the last 60 years or so, been as high as during the 50s when this nation built the greatest nation in the world and via the middle class..



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Sep 3, 2018 17:34:05   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
4430 wrote:
Well Obama piled them on high and Trump slashed them down and the mfg and other companies took off bonuses were given people started back to work the list goes on and on !

I know I know you'll come back with all sorts crying foul !




naaa,, I will simply say regulations are needed or business will run all the citizen into the ground..

which regulations are good or bad, we could spend forever arguing about..



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Sep 4, 2018 12:48:13   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
emarine wrote:
The distinction between a large & small business is 500 employees … recheck your numbers... however small business has always paid in the majority from the tax base because of this 500 employee break point...



The numbers I cite are not related to Title 13 definitions. They are taken from BLS, SBA, Chamber of Commerce and Census Bureau raw data. Perhaps a less confusing distinction would be 'little businesses', in an effort to humanize, something the government and politicians don't do.

Today there are about 7 million total registered businesses that employ people in the U.S., give or take. To lend perspective to this, fewer than 20,000 of this total are 'big businesses' by definition. The breakdown is; fewer than 500 employees, 99.7% of those businesses. Companies with fewer than 100 employees, 98.2% of those businesses. Companies with fewer than 20 employees, 89.0% of those businesses.

I believe my observation is the U.S. economy rides on the backs of millions of tiny microcosms of industry and productivity that suffer and indeed die when thoughtless policy to punish the wealthy or control their businesses overflows onto this delicate mechanism. Three presidents that come to mind as being oblivious to the collateral damage of their thoughtless policies, ideological fits and blatant ignorance of how stuff works are Clinton, Bush, and Obama; taken together, the Three Stooges of U.S. leadership.

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Sep 4, 2018 17:05:39   #
emarine
 
CDM wrote:
The numbers I cite are not related to Title 13 definitions. They are taken from BLS, SBA, Chamber of Commerce and Census Bureau raw data. Perhaps a less confusing distinction would be 'little businesses', in an effort to humanize, something the government and politicians don't do.

Today there are about 7 million total registered businesses that employ people in the U.S., give or take. To lend perspective to this, fewer than 20,000 of this total are 'big businesses' by definition. The breakdown is; fewer than 500 employees, 99.7% of those businesses. Companies with fewer than 100 employees, 98.2% of those businesses. Companies with fewer than 20 employees, 89.0% of those businesses.

I believe my observation is the U.S. economy rides on the backs of millions of tiny microcosms of industry and productivity that suffer and indeed die when thoughtless policy to punish the wealthy or control their businesses overflows onto this delicate mechanism. Three presidents that come to mind as being oblivious to the collateral damage of their thoughtless policies, ideological fits and blatant ignorance of how stuff works are Clinton, Bush, and Obama; taken together, the Three Stooges of U.S. leadership.
The numbers I cite are not related to Title 13 def... (show quote)




Interesting info...check this one out, seems there may be more than 3 Stooges... http://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

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Sep 5, 2018 09:02:04   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
emarine wrote:
Interesting info...check this one out, seems there may be more than 3 Stooges... http://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296


Oh, without question. The two greatest fallacies in peoples misunderstanding of how things work in U.S. politics; the president cannot set the economic pace and, the president can control national debt. I have a skinny butt from laughing it off at every presidential candidate who, over the years has said - 'and I will reduce the national debt' ... They are not the morons of course; we are, for swallowing that tripe.

Of course the president can and always does influence the economy, big time. In the blink of an eye and stroke of a pen. It's called policy and it's one of the greatest unstated powers of the executive branch. And controlling debt? The executive office has no power or authority to 'control' debt. So what are they saying? "I will talk to all those good folks on the hill who are paid $175,000 a year and have guaranteed lifetime retirement while squandering your money hand over fist on special interests faster than we collect it and becoming wealthy while they're at it but who you keeping voting for; you know, the ones who stay in office 20,30, 40 years and keep screwing you? " ... Is that what they're saying?

So while we're down here swallowing the bait, fighting each other in the carefully designed Left/Right trenches, our duly elected officials, martini's in hand, are looking at us as they look at grunion flopping on the beach ... There will be more grunion next year ... and the year after that, and so on.

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