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Apr 16, 2014 14:50:47   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
Fox News toured the damage -- allegedly caused by the Bureau of Land Management -- which included holes in water tanks and destroyed water lines and fences. According to family friends, the bureau's hired "cowboys" also killed two prize bulls.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/16/feds-accused-leaving-trail-wreckage-after-nevada-ranch-standoff/

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Apr 17, 2014 06:20:05   #
rjoeholl
 
At least the snipers didn't shoot and kill his wife.....this time. Or burn his house down with a bunch of kids in it.
OldSchool wrote:
Fox News toured the damage -- allegedly caused by the Bureau of Land Management -- which included holes in water tanks and destroyed water lines and fences. According to family friends, the bureau's hired "cowboys" also killed two prize bulls.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/16/feds-accused-leaving-trail-wreckage-after-nevada-ranch-standoff/

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Apr 17, 2014 10:31:35   #
astrolite
 
rjoeholl wrote:
At least the snipers didn't shoot and kill his wife.....this time. Or burn his house down with a bunch of kids in it.


They will do that later, using the same hit men used by the Klintons!

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Apr 17, 2014 10:45:12   #
astrolite
 
OldSchool wrote:
Fox News toured the damage -- allegedly caused by the Bureau of Land Management -- which included holes in water tanks and destroyed water lines and fences. According to family friends, the bureau's hired "cowboys" also killed two prize bulls.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/16/feds-accused-leaving-trail-wreckage-after-nevada-ranch-standoff/


Sort of like when the swat team raids your home? Total destruction, and immunity from any responsibility! Not to mention immunity from any penalty for murdering citizens!

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Apr 17, 2014 10:51:33   #
jjb2012
 
How can anyone defend a guy that is a freeloader??
Why have no OTHER RANCHERS come to his defense??
Maybe because they all recognize the government and pay the fees to graze on PUBLIC land.

Why should he not pay?? the 1.35 per animal per month??


Laws that apply to the BLM’s management of public lands grazing include the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, the Endangered Species Act of 1973, the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, and the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978.
Federal Grazing Fee

The Federal grazing fee, which applies to Federal lands in 16 Western states on public lands managed by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service, is adjusted annually and is calculated by using a formula originally set by Congress in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978. Under this formula, as modified and extended by a presidential Executive Order issued in 1986, the grazing fee cannot fall below $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM); also, any fee increase or decrease cannot exceed 25 percent of the previous year’s level. (An AUM is the amount of forage needed to sustain one cow and her calf, one horse, or five sheep or goats for a month.) The grazing fee for 2014 is $1.35 per AUM, the same level as it was in 2013.

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Apr 17, 2014 11:29:57   #
fritzi.one Loc: Texas
 
jjb2012..What makes you think this is the reason for this showdown..? My belief that this charge is a screen to cover up the real reason for this confrontation.. I, for one, do not trust anything that Harry Reid is involved in.. His past and proven record proves He and his ilk think and act like the gangsters they are .. Oh, Yes.!! Reid and crew have been proven to be involved ...!!

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Apr 17, 2014 11:50:06   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Personally to me, the matter of right and wrong has been vastly trumped by
BLM's method's.

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Apr 17, 2014 11:53:47   #
astrolite
 
jjb2012 wrote:
How can anyone defend a guy that is a freeloader??
Why have no OTHER RANCHERS come to his defense??
Maybe because they all recognize the government and pay the fees to graze on PUBLIC land.

Why should he not pay?? the 1.35 per animal per month??


Laws that apply to the BLM’s management of public lands grazing include the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, the Endangered Species Act of 1973, the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, and the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978.
Federal Grazing Fee

The Federal grazing fee, which applies to Federal lands in 16 Western states on public lands managed by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service, is adjusted annually and is calculated by using a formula originally set by Congress in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978. Under this formula, as modified and extended by a presidential Executive Order issued in 1986, the grazing fee cannot fall below $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM); also, any fee increase or decrease cannot exceed 25 percent of the previous year’s level. (An AUM is the amount of forage needed to sustain one cow and her calf, one horse, or five sheep or goats for a month.) The grazing fee for 2014 is $1.35 per AUM, the same level as it was in 2013.
How can anyone defend a guy that is a freeloader??... (show quote)


They could be called "Royal Lands" that concept was outlawed here, in The Articles of Confederation, and later in the Constitution! THE KING SHALL NOT OWN ALL LANDS! Teddy Roosevelt (another of the Roschilde banker clan) put it in the constitution as an amendment meant to cover one park only) the drones extended it to cover all lands they want!

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Apr 17, 2014 12:07:01   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
jjb2012 wrote:
How can anyone defend a guy that is a freeloader??
Why have no OTHER RANCHERS come to his defense??
Maybe because they all recognize the government and pay the fees to graze on PUBLIC land.

Why should he not pay?? the 1.35 per animal per month??


Laws that apply to the BLM’s management of public lands grazing include the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969, the Endangered Species Act of 1973, the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, and the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978.
Federal Grazing Fee

The Federal grazing fee, which applies to Federal lands in 16 Western states on public lands managed by the BLM and the U.S. Forest Service, is adjusted annually and is calculated by using a formula originally set by Congress in the Public Rangelands Improvement Act of 1978. Under this formula, as modified and extended by a presidential Executive Order issued in 1986, the grazing fee cannot fall below $1.35 per animal unit month (AUM); also, any fee increase or decrease cannot exceed 25 percent of the previous year’s level. (An AUM is the amount of forage needed to sustain one cow and her calf, one horse, or five sheep or goats for a month.) The grazing fee for 2014 is $1.35 per AUM, the same level as it was in 2013.
How can anyone defend a guy that is a freeloader??... (show quote)


The Cattle Association backs him up. You ever hear of prescriptive rights? Bundy, and his ancestors, have been grazing cattle on that land since the 1870s, and the government did not do anything till the late 90s, and illegally I might add. Bundy pays grazing fees to Clark County and is willing to pay them to the State of Nevada, just not to an intrusive over reaching government.

This is more than just about grazing rights and the Desert Tortoise. This is a ruse to confiscate the land for green energy projects funded by Chinese investors, and lining Harry Reid and his son Roy's pockets. Corrupt government politics at it's worst.

Also, the court order BLM used to destroy Bundy's property, and killed two prized bulls, ONLY gave them authority to round up the cattle.

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Apr 17, 2014 12:19:48   #
jjb2012
 
astrolite wrote:
They could be called "Royal Lands" that concept was outlawed here, in The Articles of Confederation, and later in the Constitution! THE KING SHALL NOT OWN ALL LANDS! Teddy Roosevelt (another of the Roschilde banker clan) put it in the constitution as an amendment meant to cover one park only) the drones extended it to cover all lands they want!


So who decides who uses the land?? The guy with the most guns??

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Apr 17, 2014 12:38:56   #
jjb2012
 
OldSchool wrote:
The Cattle Association backs him up. You ever hear of prescriptive rights? Bundy, and his ancestors, have been grazing cattle on that land since the 1870s, and the government did not do anything till the late 90s, and illegally I might add. Bundy pays grazing fees to Clark County and is willing to pay them to the State of Nevada, just not to an intrusive over reaching government.

This is more than just about grazing rights and the Desert Tortoise. This is a ruse to confiscate the land for green energy projects funded by Chinese investors, and lining Harry Reid and his son Roy's pockets. Corrupt government politics at it's worst.

Also, the court order BLM used to destroy Bundy's property, and killed two prized bulls, ONLY gave them authority to round up the cattle.
The Cattle Association backs him up. You ever hea... (show quote)




IF the Cattle Ass back him out why are they not on the news?? Why do they not come out publicly?? Why do the rest of them pay their grazing fees??

Why did he pay grazing fees before 1993?? He did but did not like the changes made in 1993 and therefor refused to pay. He is no different then a thief in the night stealing form the American public.

I nave never seen any report of using the land for green projects and as far as I am concerned no foreign company should have any right to any land they have not purchased not EVEN TRANS CANADA

If the BLM destroyed anything on his land on purpose without any outside influence they should deduct that cost of repairs from the FEE"S he has never paid.

Again if the Cattle ASS backs him up why do the they PAY their grazing fee's??

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Apr 17, 2014 13:35:42   #
rodulfo-tardo
 
State of Terrorist Martial Law, the stateless state within the state.

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Apr 17, 2014 20:57:46   #
astrolite
 
jjb2012 wrote:
So who decides who uses the land?? The guy with the most guns??


Simple....The appointed bureaucrats, appointed by the same person who appointed the attorney general. Currently a hardcore communist! If you aren't aware, under communism the government OWNS ALL OF THE LAND, and of course you know the "Environmental groups want the government to own ALL of the land. And keep all taxpayers OFF, except themselves of course! "A private playground for the environmental elite"! Also the aim of the "National Park Service". Who have nothing but contempt for the taxpayers! (as proven under the Obama government shutdown).

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Apr 17, 2014 20:59:55   #
astrolite
 
jjb2012 wrote:
IF the Cattle Ass back him out why are they not on the news?? Why do they not come out publicly?? Why do the rest of them pay their grazing fees??

Why did he pay grazing fees before 1993?? He did but did not like the changes made in 1993 and therefor refused to pay. He is no different then a thief in the night stealing form the American public.

I nave never seen any report of using the land for green projects and as far as I am concerned no foreign company should have any right to any land they have not purchased not EVEN TRANS CANADA

If the BLM destroyed anything on his land on purpose without any outside influence they should deduct that cost of repairs from the FEE"S he has never paid.

Again if the Cattle ASS backs him up why do the they PAY their grazing fee's??
IF the Cattle Ass back him out why are they not on... (show quote)


Apparently he is the only one having vested grazing rights going back before the feds claimed all that land!

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Apr 17, 2014 21:21:00   #
jjb2012
 
astrolite wrote:
Simple....The appointed bureaucrats, appointed by the same person who appointed the attorney general. Currently a hardcore communist! If you aren't aware, under communism the government OWNS ALL OF THE LAND, and of course you know the "Environmental groups want the government to own ALL of the land. And keep all taxpayers OFF, except themselves of course! "A private playground for the environmental elite"! Also the aim of the "National Park Service". Who have nothing but contempt for the taxpayers! (as proven under the Obama government shutdown).
Simple....The appointed bureaucrats, appointed by ... (show quote)


You seem to not understand. What happens when the ranchers around him decide they want to expand their herds and encroach on his "rights" while they are paying the grazing fees?? Can he shoot them?? How do they settle that dispute??

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