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Apr 18, 2014 10:27:35   #
astrolite
 
maelstrom wrote:
astrolite I'm curious where you have come from or what has happened to you to fear the government you live will turn on you?


Once, a long time ago, when I was young and ignorant I worked for the government! I still love my country, but I know IT"S government! And I fear for my children and grandchildren.

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Apr 18, 2014 10:39:06   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Tephras Shapo. Ignavus, { &#1042;&#1086;&#1112;&#1085;&#1072;&#1090;&#1072; &#1077; &#1085;&#1077;&#1080;&#1079;&#1073;&#1077;&#1078;&#1085;&#1072;. &#1041;&#1086;&#1088;&#1073;&#1072; &#1080;&#1083;&#1080; &#1045;&#1056;&#1045; }

There is much for you to learn in the arena of verbal warfare. I would suggest that before you post, study the words and all possible interpretations. You must realize that this forum is " political ". Politics and war are inseparable.


maelstrom wrote:
Why do you suspect that? Is that your intuition speaking?

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Apr 18, 2014 12:37:08   #
Artemis
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
Tephras Shapo. Ignavus, { &#1042;&#1086;&#1112;&#1085;&#1072;&#1090;&#1072; &#1077; &#1085;&#1077;&#1080;&#1079;&#1073;&#1077;&#1078;&#1085;&#1072;. &#1041;&#1086;&#1088;&#1073;&#1072; &#1080;&#1083;&#1080; &#1045;&#1056;&#1045; }

There is much for you to learn in the arena of verbal warfare. I would suggest that before you post, study the words and all possible interpretations. You must realize that this forum is " political ". Politics and war are inseparable.
Tephras Shapo. Ignavus, { &#1042;&#1086;&a... (show quote)



This comment was not directed to you, therefore I am not sure of what your referencing to? I agree I have much to learn, and I will admit that to the end of my days, there is always more to learn. I see you have chosen a new name for me I did look it up of course it is in referencing me unfavorable light. If that somehow makes you feel better.

I believe you have misinterpreted me in my intention with one of my replies. But I fear it would be wasted breath to defend what my intention was, as you have already drawn your conclusions.

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Apr 18, 2014 12:47:41   #
Artemis
 
maelstrom wrote:
This comment was not directed to you, therefore I am not sure of what your referencing to? I agree I have much to learn, and I will admit that to the end of my days, there is always more to learn. I see you have chosen a new name for me I did look it up of course it is in referencing me unfavorable light. If that somehow makes you feel better.

I believe you have misinterpreted me in my intention with one of my replies. But I fear it would be wasted breath to defend what my intention was, as you have already drawn your conclusions.
This comment was not directed to you, therefore I ... (show quote)



wolf,I am the coward? I am not one insulting someone in silence.

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Apr 18, 2014 13:04:36   #
Artemis
 
Zemirah wrote:
You've posited what I consider to be a few odd thoughts here, maelstrom.

By "this book," do you mean the Bible?

I don't routinely, physically pick up a Bible, because I have installed several Bible software programs onto my hard drive.

There is no better book for mankind, nor will there ever be. It is God's "plumbline" (rule of measure).

As to living in the past(?) - time stands still for no one, nor does it go backward, nor should it.

My life has been full, and continues to be.

At the age of eighteen, I had the desire to experience everything possible in life, at least once.

God has honored that desire to an incredible degree, for He said, "Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart." (Psalm 37:4).

Every dawn is an adventure, to be fully lived, and I do rejoice.

Thank you for your concern, maelstrom, but you sir, could not have walked in my moccasins.
You've posited what I consider to be a few odd tho... (show quote)


Zemirah,I would like to clarify my statement of “put the book down” This was "not" meant to, forsaken, walk away from, discontinue,abandon, etc. the "Good Book". It is meant as in a moment. Do you think there is harm in reading other considerations of how to seek spiritual guidance and peace with God, if it is through love or forgiveness, and not condemnation?

The Bible has been interpreted and rewritten many times over, just in that fact alone makes one question some of its "literal" validity. But just as reading the moral of a story, the message of Jesus Christ is clear and that is what is important, that is what I try to carry within me.
No I don’t walk in your Moccasins, we each walk our own path, as you say with our own free will, our own choices to make. Some right some wrong, we are all human and that I believe God understands. As these literal words I do believe ,we are ALL children of God.
I don’t condemn people who believe in another religion because in that fact alone they are seeking guidance and a higher spiritual connection with God. If you do believe in one God then that is ALL ENCOMPASSING for all, even if through different names.
I believe any people who are harmful to others have lost their spiritual guidance, you may call them evil, or as you pointed out the Bible quoting them as swine’s or dogs, for me they are simply lost souls. Should we defend ourselves from people who wish to cause us harm? yes of course.

Back on topic Obama only has the power to defend our laws on our land /or to our citizens within a limited means in other countries.

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Apr 18, 2014 13:33:56   #
NanaSue57 Loc: Georgia
 
maelstrom wrote:
Iggy, who would I be fighting against? I come in peace. Remember I am just a simpleton. The only thing I may need is a shield, but not from God


God is our only true protection. What human shield can protect you from a nuclear bomb? Or an asteroid or an earthquake? A Tsunami or an erupting volcano? If anyone wants His protection, the first step is to accept Him and His Son. He is the only One who can truly protect anyone.

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Apr 18, 2014 17:13:16   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
No. You are no coward. And I am guilty as charged. I apologize for the harshness and my beastly behavior towards you. If you can forgive me I will remember it and if you will continue to partake in discourse, I will proceed in a more respectful manner. And from this day forward I will honor your proper user name, "maelstrom".


maelstrom wrote:
wolf,I am the coward? I am not one insulting someone in silence.

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Apr 18, 2014 18:58:27   #
Artemis
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
No. You are no coward. And I am guilty as charged. I apologize for the harshness and my beastly behavior towards you. If you can forgive me I will remember it and if you will continue to partake in discourse, I will proceed in a more respectful manner. And from this day forward I will honor your proper user name, "maelstrom".


Thank you, I do accept your apology. I rather build bridges than walls. Actually I have been reconsidering my name here, it was never intended to make people feel a apprehension towards me, it was rather more of a joke on the turbulent day I was born. My only reluctance is being on here for awhile, this is how everyone has become familiar with me, whether that be good or bad. I'll continue to weigh it out.

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Apr 18, 2014 19:26:54   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
maelstrom wrote:
"Do you think there is harm in reading other considerations of how to seek spiritual guidance and peace with God, if it is through love or forgiveness, and not condemnation?"


maelstrom, Please stop trying to stereo me as the pious, mealy-mouthed, short sighted "churchlady" on Saturday Night Live. :shock:

Your inference that I am in the condemnation business is abysmally incorrect. It is not within my power or inclination. That is God's forte, and outside my own.

Beginning thirty five years ago, I learned and contrasted the doctrines, practices and rituals of alternate religions with the Bible, and studied what was known about their founders, - their backgrounds ,their goals and their sources of information.

It is known as the study of "Comparative Religion."

I have read literature printed by all major religions, and that of many of the pseudo-Christian cults to understand why and when they deviated from the worship of the One Creator God, which was the earthwide original religion of mankind. (I made that study first.)

maelstrom wrote:
"I believe any people who are harmful to others have lost their spiritual guidance, you may call them evil, or as you pointed out the Bible quoting them as swine’s or dogs, for me they are simply lost souls."


Whether intentionally, or inadvertently, you've misrepresented my Christianity, my philosophy, my writing and my understanding of the God of the Universe, as well as the demonically inspired idols who pose as alternate, lesser gods.

I haven't quoted that recently. Recheck the posting; however, the swine or dog references are the terminology of the Bible, take it up with the Bible's Author.

maelstrom wrote:
"Back on topic Obama only has the power to defend our laws on our land /or to our citizens within a limited means in other countries."


My objection was to obama going into a multitude of muslim lands and, through our state department, with our tax dollars, financing the dissemination of propaganda through their public schools aimed at soliciting children to become muslims, as well as educating them in the precepts and practices of Islam.

That is far outside the duties of the president of the United States.

maelstrom wrote:
"If you do believe in one God then that is ALL ENCOMPASSING for all, even if through different names."


Surely you don't believe that? Have you ever done one modicum of study of these various gods who would be God?

I don't think you have.

In Christianity, God took on human form to shed His own blood as a sacrificial atonement covering the sins of those who believed and accepted that atonement.

Every other religion expects man to work his own way to their god through their own works, i.e., good deeds.

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Apr 18, 2014 20:47:32   #
Artemis
 
Zemirah wrote:
Surely you don't believe that? Have you ever done one modicum of study of these various gods who would be God?

I don't think you have.

In Christianity, God took on human form to shed His own blood as a sacrificial atonement covering the sins of those who believed and accepted that atonement.

Every other religion expects man to work his own way to their god through their own works, i.e., good deeds.



If I have somehow offended you that was not my intention. Yes I do believe that. We are of one race, the human race, everything is taught to us, from what family we are born into and how we are raised.
Our views on religion are different, it is our personal choice what to believe.

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Apr 18, 2014 21:24:43   #
rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.
 
Hi NanaSue57. Coincidentially if your middle name is Sue, so is mine. I was born in '57. Too Cool~
I really like your comment. Before Jesus ascended into Heaven in front of his Apostles, he said "All Power has been given to me in Heaven and on Earth." Jesus Christ is the one to be praying to. At night when you go to bed, and in the morning when you get up.

We are told clear back in Genesis, right after the great flood, "22 While the earth remaineth, *seedtime and harvest,* and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease." Genesis 8.

That verse interprets as: so long as the seeds of righteousness are planted within people and the Lord's Fruit is brought forth, then their spirits are taken into Heaven at their end, for also the Earth shall continue.
This includes the parable of Matthew 13:3-8,18-23,37-43 (all the same parable, except with also the Lord's interpretation)

The results of the non-believers who have spent their life time rejecting the Lord God, persecuting and murdering the Lord's believers:
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; *and the reapers are the angels.* (Matthew 13.)

There have been "Three" Worlds of time happen on Planet Earth. 1)The world of Genesis, up to the Flood. 2) The world since the flood, the Hebrews, Judges, and Prophets. 3) The coming of Jesus Christ for the New Covenant of Salvation in the conscious mind of Repentance of our sins.

How do we know this is so? Our own Apostle Paul to the Gentiles states so as he repents over and over, regretting the stoning of the evangelist Stephen,
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth) such an one **caught up to the third heaven.**II Corinthians 12.

There, Jesus had already ascended into the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom of his Glory- so to reign forever.

NanaSue57 wrote:
Christians world-wide need to make it a matter of prayer - without ceasing - for Christians and others who are being persecuted. God also tells us to pray for our enemies, so we need to pray for those militant Muslims. Also, friends and relatives have joined others around America in praying every morning at 9:00---for America, and for revival. I set the alarm on my iphone for 9:00, as a reminder. If more of us send prayers for America, we could have a chance of renewal! Only God can bring change to America at this point. We could also pray for the persecuted Christians at the same time. "For where two or three are gathered in My Name, I am there with them." Christ said in Matthew 18:20. When we pray together even with miles between us, great things will happen! God hears our prayers!
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Apr 19, 2014 04:03:46   #
Iggy Rat Loc: Lost in America
 
maelstrom wrote:
Why do you suspect that? Is that your intuition speaking?


If you don't have sense enough to "be prepared"... :oops:

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Apr 19, 2014 08:18:03   #
Artemis
 
Iggy Rat wrote:
If you don't have sense enough to "be prepared"... :oops:


OK thank you

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