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Apr 16, 2014 15:29:20   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
kohler wrote:
National Popular Vote changes nothing in the Constitution.
By state laws, without changing anything in the Constitution, The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in the country, by replacing state winner-take-all laws.

Every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections. No more distorting and divisive red and blue state maps of pre-determined outcomes. There would no longer be a handful of 'battleground' states where voters and policies are more important than those of the voters in 80% of the states that now are just 'spectators' and ignored after the conventions.

The bill would take effect when enacted by states with a majority of Electoral College votes—that is, enough to elect a President (270 of 538). The candidate receiving the most popular votes from all 50 states (and DC) would get all the 270+ Electoral College votes of the enacting states.

The presidential election system, using the 48 state winner-take-all method or district winner method of awarding electoral votes, that we have today was not designed, anticipated, or favored by the Founders. It is the product of decades of change precipitated by the emergence of political parties and enactment by 48 states of winner-take-all laws, not mentioned, much less endorsed, in the Constitution.

The bill uses the power given to each state by the Founders in the Constitution to change how they award their electoral votes for President. States can, and have, changed their method of awarding electoral votes over the years. Historically, major changes in the method of electing the President, including ending the requirement that only men who owned substantial property could vote and 48 current state-by-state winner-take-all laws, have come about by state legislative action.
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I became very worried about the stuff you have been writing when I first saw that 48 state stuff and you said the same number over and over in that post. I thought we had 50 states but maybe Obama was close to being just 9 or 10 over the truth when he said 57. I like most of what you say but when you keep on with the 48 you tell me that you are taking most of what you are saying from pre-1950 days. Wasn't it in that decade that Alaska and Hawaii came into the Union?

Your 48 state numbers do a lot to keep Obama from being eligible to be President since he was born on that tiny island in the Pacific and not in the original 48 states.

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Apr 16, 2014 16:41:53   #
kohler
 
oldroy wrote:
I would certainly like to have you explain what you said in this post. I see no manipulation of the system by the Right or an end to our Republic by following the Constitution as has been done all these years. It is the attempt to amend the Constitution through this supposed law that will end the Republic with nobody other than a left leaner being able to be elected.

Please explain that manipulation you mentioned. I just can't see it happening.


National Popular Vote does not and would not change or amend the Constitution in any way.
It would not end the Republic.
We would continue to elect the President by the Electoral College.

From 1932-2008 the combined popular vote for Presidential candidates added up to Democrats: 745,407,082 and Republican: 745,297,123 — a virtual tie. Republicans have done very well in the national popular vote.

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Apr 17, 2014 00:59:09   #
rumitoid
 
oldroy wrote:
I would certainly like to have you explain what you said in this post. I see no manipulation of the system by the Right or an end to our Republic by following the Constitution as has been done all these years. It is the attempt to amend the Constitution through this supposed law that will end the Republic with nobody other than a left leaner being able to be elected.

Please explain that manipulation you mentioned. I just can't see it happening.



I did earlier on, but here it is again:
"The GOP doesn't have one "master plan" to rig the electoral college. Instead, lawmakers are considering a couple of different versions of a plan that would tie electoral votes to congressional districts. Ready to geek out? Okay. The plan would award one electoral vote to the winner of the popular vote in each congressional district. That would leave two leftover electoral votes, representing the state's two senators, up for grabs. In Virginia's plan, the two bonus votes would have been given to the candidate who won the most districts (that proposal was killed on Tuesday); in other versions of the proposal, two bonus votes would go to the winner of the statewide popular vote.

"The only problem? Congressional districts aren't created equal. In 2010, the GOP went on a massive gerrymandering spree that allowed Republicans to keep their House majority in 2012 even though more Americans voted for Democrats. Tying electoral votes to these gerrymandered districts would give the GOP a huge advantage in states that are expected to go blue on the presidential level. This could discount the votes of those Americans who live in urban areas, particularly minority groups. (Blogger Paul Bibeau found that the Virginia plan would make a Democrat vote worth 3/5 of a Republican one.)" Read more at http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/gops-election-rigging-plan-explained

"Republicans have a new strategy for 2016: Change the rules of presidential elections in order to swing the Electoral College in the GOP's favor.

"On Wednesday, Virginia's Republican-controlled legislature became one of the first to advance a bill that would allocate electoral votes by congressional district. Last week, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus endorsed pushing through similar proposals in other states with Republican legislative majorities.

"The strategy would have states alter the way they translate individual votes into electors -- thereby giving Republican candidates an advantage. Had the 2012 election been apportioned in every state according to these new Republican plans, Romney would have led Obama by at least 11 electoral votes." Read more at
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/republican-vote-rigging-electoral-college_n_2546...

"Priebus: Republicans in blue states ‘ought to be’ rigging Electoral College"
"Republican National Committee (RNC) Chairman Reince Priebus says that conservative lawmakers in blue states like Wisconsin “ought to be looking at” ways to rig the Electoral College system to tilt elections towards Republican candidates in a way that could have allowed presidential candidate Mitt Romney to win.

"On Sunday, the Journal Sentinel reported that Priebus had called on states that traditionally vote for Democratic presidential candidates — but are controlled by Republican legislatures — to devise a scheme to split electoral votes instead of awarding them to a single candidate.

“I think it’s something that a lot of states that have been consistently blue that are fully controlled red ought to be looking at,” the RNC chairman explained, noting that such a system would give state lawmakers “more local control.” read more at http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/14/priebus-republicans-in-blue-states-ought-to-be-rigg...

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