So You Want a Democratic Socialist Government?
Jul 31, 2018 15:27:30 #
Where Does It Stop?
Today, we have a Republic that has stood the test of time. But a number of citizens are not satisfied with our government, and are supporting the ideas of what they call Democratic Socialism. It does not seem to matter that within our form of Republicanism, we are currently devoting each year about 70% of our Gross National Product to welfare ("Entitlements"), or as it should be known---charity.
No, in the end they want the entire means of production, pricing, all property, wages or other income, the media, and all of the financial institutions to be controlled by the government, and the profits devoted to the citizens. This is what Socialism demands, sooner or later. The Military-Industrial Complex would also be owned and controlled by the government, as, of course, so would the military itself, adding the corporations and thousands of smaller companies that support military products to the long list of private industry companies they would own and control.
Among the many questions this form of socialism raises, perhaps the most telling is: who would run the government? To answer this, first we must find out exactly how the nation would transition from a Republic to a form of Socialism of any kind. We do have a tripartite organization of a Judiciary, Legislature and Administration (which is headed by an elected President). Any change to the Law of the Land (stated in abbreviated form), is supposed to be passed by the National Legislature and approved by three-fourths of the State Legislatures.
Since passage of such an extraordinary act as conversion to a form of atheistic Socialism in 3/4th of all Legislatures in the US is inconceivable to most rational people, it is quite obvious that instituting even the mildest form of Socialism would in fact have to be accomplished by a forceful revolution--one that would tear this nation apart.
Leadership, then, would fall to the elite revolutionaries, hence some form of atheistic totalitarianism would quickly evolve, as we have observed elsewhere. The next Stalin or Mao will inevitably arise to take full charge.
On the other hand, our current Legislature might find a way to pass bills and have them signed into law that would implement such institutions as free education (either university or vocational), free healthcare for life, and more subsidized housing, subsidized utilities, as well as forms of make-work employment. This could only happen under an authoritative Socialist Democratic-controlled Congress and a Socialist for a President.
Realistically, especially with these new institutions added to the burden, the nation would be put in dire straits financially, since we are today so far in debt to other nations that we will very soon be able to pay from revenue only the entitlements currently in place, plus the interest on the debts we have. Further, we have unfunded liabilities of about $114 Trillion. Debts we would incur to afford these additions would most likely bankrupt the nation. The States are collectively far worse off, with a total indebtedness of some $200 Trillion.
From these considerations, it is easy to conclude that going in the direction of Democratic Socialism is truly the utmost folly.
But it doesn't stop there. The next step in this ruthless revolt is to repudiate the National Debt of $15 Trillion insofar as in-country debts are concerned, leaving only the $6 Trillion in international debt to pay off. Since this rogue government is taking over ownership of all means of production and finance, the debt is then owned as well, so they can write paid to it. The devastation to owners large and small when their Treasury Notes are voided will be complete and final. This puts paid to the faith and trust of the US government throughout the world.
And then...and then the economy as a whole will react. All sense of entrepreneurship will have been canceled out, perhaps in favor of production quotas, as the Socialist government attempts to resurrect the economy and grow the GNP. What the new government doesn't account for is that there are almost no New Socialist Men available to selflessly work hard for a small wage in the hope of future gains that never occur. The labor force will react by slow-rolling just about every job, since their stake in the outcome is nothing but more work.
Mastering the vast array of products and services and coordinating their goals, even with a huge array of computers to help, will be overwhelming, and, of course, the software to aid management at this level hasn't been written, much less tested and proven in trials. Economic planning by hand will take over instead of the former capitalist system and its millions of small decisions and choices that add up to managing the economy, and the inefficiencies will soon overtake the benefits, such as they are. This initial period of chaos will probably last for some years, ten or more at least, until many of the wrinkles have been smoothed out, and the computers do a better job: that is, if they ever do. The GNP will suffer tremendous losses.
The seeds of counter-revolution would undoubtedly grow and flower into active opposition to this social catastrophe, which would force the government to open up some form of gulag system to eliminate the leadership of the opposition by apprehending them and stashing them away in some place like Alaska, emulating the late Soviet Union's tactics. For policing the nation, the FBI would become our version of the secret police. The labor force's slow rollers would also find incentive to avoid the gulag by working just hard enough. Wholesale slaughter of opposing groups could well be resorted to finally in order to preserve the government, again, emulating the Soviets and Maoists.
So, in the end we would have an elitist and socialist government, evolving towards a Communist dictatorship, a subservient military, a fractured economy, a gulag, and the rest of us peons to get by the best we can.
Today, we have a Republic that has stood the test of time. But a number of citizens are not satisfied with our government, and are supporting the ideas of what they call Democratic Socialism. It does not seem to matter that within our form of Republicanism, we are currently devoting each year about 70% of our Gross National Product to welfare ("Entitlements"), or as it should be known---charity.
No, in the end they want the entire means of production, pricing, all property, wages or other income, the media, and all of the financial institutions to be controlled by the government, and the profits devoted to the citizens. This is what Socialism demands, sooner or later. The Military-Industrial Complex would also be owned and controlled by the government, as, of course, so would the military itself, adding the corporations and thousands of smaller companies that support military products to the long list of private industry companies they would own and control.
Among the many questions this form of socialism raises, perhaps the most telling is: who would run the government? To answer this, first we must find out exactly how the nation would transition from a Republic to a form of Socialism of any kind. We do have a tripartite organization of a Judiciary, Legislature and Administration (which is headed by an elected President). Any change to the Law of the Land (stated in abbreviated form), is supposed to be passed by the National Legislature and approved by three-fourths of the State Legislatures.
Since passage of such an extraordinary act as conversion to a form of atheistic Socialism in 3/4th of all Legislatures in the US is inconceivable to most rational people, it is quite obvious that instituting even the mildest form of Socialism would in fact have to be accomplished by a forceful revolution--one that would tear this nation apart.
Leadership, then, would fall to the elite revolutionaries, hence some form of atheistic totalitarianism would quickly evolve, as we have observed elsewhere. The next Stalin or Mao will inevitably arise to take full charge.
On the other hand, our current Legislature might find a way to pass bills and have them signed into law that would implement such institutions as free education (either university or vocational), free healthcare for life, and more subsidized housing, subsidized utilities, as well as forms of make-work employment. This could only happen under an authoritative Socialist Democratic-controlled Congress and a Socialist for a President.
Realistically, especially with these new institutions added to the burden, the nation would be put in dire straits financially, since we are today so far in debt to other nations that we will very soon be able to pay from revenue only the entitlements currently in place, plus the interest on the debts we have. Further, we have unfunded liabilities of about $114 Trillion. Debts we would incur to afford these additions would most likely bankrupt the nation. The States are collectively far worse off, with a total indebtedness of some $200 Trillion.
From these considerations, it is easy to conclude that going in the direction of Democratic Socialism is truly the utmost folly.
But it doesn't stop there. The next step in this ruthless revolt is to repudiate the National Debt of $15 Trillion insofar as in-country debts are concerned, leaving only the $6 Trillion in international debt to pay off. Since this rogue government is taking over ownership of all means of production and finance, the debt is then owned as well, so they can write paid to it. The devastation to owners large and small when their Treasury Notes are voided will be complete and final. This puts paid to the faith and trust of the US government throughout the world.
And then...and then the economy as a whole will react. All sense of entrepreneurship will have been canceled out, perhaps in favor of production quotas, as the Socialist government attempts to resurrect the economy and grow the GNP. What the new government doesn't account for is that there are almost no New Socialist Men available to selflessly work hard for a small wage in the hope of future gains that never occur. The labor force will react by slow-rolling just about every job, since their stake in the outcome is nothing but more work.
Mastering the vast array of products and services and coordinating their goals, even with a huge array of computers to help, will be overwhelming, and, of course, the software to aid management at this level hasn't been written, much less tested and proven in trials. Economic planning by hand will take over instead of the former capitalist system and its millions of small decisions and choices that add up to managing the economy, and the inefficiencies will soon overtake the benefits, such as they are. This initial period of chaos will probably last for some years, ten or more at least, until many of the wrinkles have been smoothed out, and the computers do a better job: that is, if they ever do. The GNP will suffer tremendous losses.
The seeds of counter-revolution would undoubtedly grow and flower into active opposition to this social catastrophe, which would force the government to open up some form of gulag system to eliminate the leadership of the opposition by apprehending them and stashing them away in some place like Alaska, emulating the late Soviet Union's tactics. For policing the nation, the FBI would become our version of the secret police. The labor force's slow rollers would also find incentive to avoid the gulag by working just hard enough. Wholesale slaughter of opposing groups could well be resorted to finally in order to preserve the government, again, emulating the Soviets and Maoists.
So, in the end we would have an elitist and socialist government, evolving towards a Communist dictatorship, a subservient military, a fractured economy, a gulag, and the rest of us peons to get by the best we can.
Jul 31, 2018 16:05:26 #
Manning345 wrote:
Where Does It Stop? br br Today, we have a Republ... (show quote)
Look no further than Nicaragua.
Jul 31, 2018 16:07:51 #
Jul 31, 2018 16:43:56 #
Manning345 wrote:
Where Does It Stop? br br Today, we have a Republ... (show quote)
The problem I have with this thesis is it calling entitlements charity.Entitlements to me are medicare and social security.working people pay all their working lives on social security and medicare.I don't think welfare and all the freebies
are entitlements they are charity.
I'm sure if the demorats win either house we will be socialist in 5 years with no return.
Jul 31, 2018 16:59:44 #
vernon wrote:
The problem I have with this thesis is it calling entitlements charity.Entitlements to me are medicare and social security.working people pay all their working lives on social security and medicare.I don't think welfare and all the freebies
are entitlements they are charity.
I'm sure if the demorats win either house we will be socialist in 5 years with no return.
are entitlements they are charity.
I'm sure if the demorats win either house we will be socialist in 5 years with no return.
I take your point. I exclude Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security from the list of Charities, because they are paid into by the citizens, but when they get in return far more than they put in, it does seem like charity at that point, or a Ponzi scheme.
Jul 31, 2018 17:09:14 #
BigMike wrote:
Look no further than Nicaragua.
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Most of the South of the borders have been there. Nicaragua, worst is Venezuela of Hugo Chavez. People are rioting, and now all of them running to the US to take shelter. Demanding the same strategy.
Most democrat leaders are now old. A new stupid dumb ambitious ignorant force seem to emerge. Could not even understand how the process of her socialist-communist theory will be carried on.
She demands for the following:
Free food.
Free housing.
Free college education.
Free Medicare for all.
Open borders,
Remove ICE AND HSD.
Confiscate the wealth of people to be distributed to all.
All financial and business activities managed by the government.
Eliminate Capitalism.
Talking is easy, but not understanding how it is done, and most of all the end results.
In this case we no longer have the 3 powers of the government. She will remove Congress and SCOTUS. Only the communist dictator owns all the power. No more constitution.
The more than 242 years of our Constitutional Republic is replaced by this STUPID DUMB WOMAN, OCASIO-CORTEZ. Her brain is empty, but she has a very huge mouth and eyes, with her arms pounding up and down while demanding these changes. This is the future of the democrats.
America do you support that?
I am sure illegal aliens, and indoctrinated college millennials support it. They feel like winning a jackpot lotto in America.
Jul 31, 2018 18:27:07 #
Manning345 wrote:
I take your point. I exclude Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security from the list of Charities, because they are paid into by the citizens, but when they get in return far more than they put in, it does seem like charity at that point, or a Ponzi scheme.
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Similarly, this is true to government employees retirement funds. The reason why we have about hundred trillion unfunded liabilities for the government sector alone.
Government employees for example state employees, have retirement pension funds where they pay 3.5 % of their monthly salaries to the pension funds. The government office match that same amount every month. This system has been going on for years. When you start your job, these benefits are disclosed. Working for 25 to 30 years the employee is eligible to retire with 60% of their highest latest 3 years or 5 years average gross income. If the average is $6,000, the retiree will receive monthly pension of $3,600 during his/her lifetime. The government pension fund system was signed by the government and the labor union when it started.
Similar to Social Security, Medicare, and SSI, this system could not be sustained. Retired employees live longer, and the amount contributed to the system is much smaller than the amount expended. The end results to hundreds of trillions unfunded liabilities. Unless this system is replaced, taxpayers are on the line liable to this disaster.
Pension System Is a Lie: There's $210 Trillion Of Liabilities our Government can't Fulfill. The GASB (Government Accounting Standard Board) of reporting is much violated. How do they present this to CAFRS? (Comprehensive Annual Financial Report System)that yearly accumulate huge liabilities. If I figure out perhaps they annually charged this huge amount to expenditures thus increasing huge future liability. CAFRS is usually audited by AICPA. It is a big question that I want to see the answers.
The private sector covered by Labor Union is even worst. In 2010, Barack Obama bailed out the United Auto Workers pension for several billion dollars from the Stimulus funds.Still it was not enough.
There must be an aggressive revision of this system in order that we may financially survive.
Jul 31, 2018 22:00:15 #
Radiance3 wrote:
================ br Similarly, this is true to gov... (show quote)
Yes! Thee is a lot to be done to make our Republic strong in every way: financially; militarily; socially; and humanely.
Aug 1, 2018 12:22:30 #
Radiance3 wrote:
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There are fewer of them than the media makes it appear like.
Aug 3, 2018 15:43:25 #
BigMike wrote:
There are fewer of them than the media makes it appear like.
There was a report some years ago about the membership of the American Socialist Party. Fully 50 Congressmen were listed then as supporting members with subscriptions to their publications. I do not have a more recent listing.
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