Lily

Speaking for groups. were you elected as a authority for all? STFU NOBODY CARES what you say.

Brian Devon

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Lily dearest,

I think you are confusing me with Rush Limbaugh...

Lily

Wouldn't be any Arlington Cemetary if you had hung Lee.

Didnt study enough did you to see how well thought of he was by the northern aggressors. You don't have in any part of your body the class and dignity he had.

Brian Devon

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Yeah, 3 cheers for southern reprobates who caused the slaughter of 750,000 soldiers to say nothing of the 3 million Africans who perished in the "Atlantic Crossing" but hey what's a little collateral damage between friends???


Lily, you're a regular southern peach...bless your lil' heart...

Loki Loc: Georgia

Every American flagged ship engaged in the slave trade was owned by northern interests. After it became illegal to bring slaves into the US, they continued to ply their trade in Latin America. Your ignorance of history is either appalling or amusing, I haven't made up my mind yet.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

In defence of the South the sanctions and economic position of the North regarding the South created the conditions for need of slave labor. The North did not condone slavery but it did condone harsh economic conditions on Southern States.. Sad history.Lets never repeat it.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Tom, that is historically inaccurate, it is only your opinion.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Well the North Had the mills and set some miserable prices. The whole system was collapseing. It was at the end of slaverys time. Slavery had been a part of the workforce for thousands of years.What I wrote is from my high school history book.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Have I told you lately how much I favor you? No. Let me tell you now. 👍👍👍👍👍👍 somehow, I do not think Brian Devil has read this part of history, as it fits not his agenda.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Actually, most of us have the ability to read large commentary, so your suggestion he use smaller paragraphs is more a reflection on you.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

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Your accuracy continues to be a wonder.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Good reading Loki.not bad.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Slavery existed at one time or another in all thirteen colonies. In PA, the last slaves were not freed until 1847. In NJ, although slavery was partly abolished in 1804, it did not apply to slaves born before that date. There were slaves in NJ until the 13th Amendment was ratified several months after the end of the war in 1865. The Emancipation Proclamation did not free a single slave, because it only applied to areas in rebellion. It did not apply to areas under Union control, including KY, W VA, and NJ, and MD. or even in parts of LA under Union Army control. So much for the war being about slavery. Once more, Ulysses Grant was a slave owner, and publicly stated if he thought the war was about ending slavery, he would have fought for the south. All of this is ignored in a certain bigot's diatribes. This same bigot makes the claim that the only reason the Second Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights was so that Southern slave owners could control their property, ignoring the fact that 27 of the Founders were slave owners, and 9 were Northerners. Also ignored in his creative rewrite of historical fact to fit the California version is the fact that of more than 180 Amendments proposed to the Constitution, only ten were adopted, and of those ten, the Second was the only one passed unanimously. I guess the 28 non-slave owning delegates had ulterior motives.
But I digress, my point being that the war was not about slavery. Google Lincoln's inaugural address; he said he would not interfere with slavery. His Emancipation Proclamation was a ploy to forestall English, and possible French intervention on the side of the Confederacy. This is why no slaves were freed by it. From what I gather, the Founders mostly believed that a State had the right to secede, and one reason for the 10th Amendment, other than their almost universal distrust of a powerful government, was to provide a remedy short of secession when the Federals became too intrusive.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Again with the arguing over history? I thought we agreed that it changes the present by, oh, a doodley squat amount. Some things are beyond dispute ( for the sane anyway ), a war was fought for stupid reasons, nearly a million people killed and 3 times as many wounded, a 150 years have passed - and here we are, rinse and repeat.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Have you ever thought about how much history may be mere opinion, and not history at all? Winners write the history to sound "historic". Not even history can be trusted.