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Jul 23, 2018 17:54:38   #
woodguru
 
The right and the left can agree that there are profit based problems with the cost of pharma, but the cause and what to do about it causes a disconnect when the blame gets mistakenly assigned.

There are solutions that the GOP will never go along with nor will their base

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Jul 23, 2018 22:09:28   #
Morgan
 
woodguru wrote:
The right and the left can agree that there are profit based problems with the cost of pharma, but the cause and what to do about it causes a disconnect when the blame gets mistakenly assigned.

There are solutions that the GOP will never go along with nor will their base


Mostly due to them getting paid by the Lobbyists, or straight from the pharms, as I showed in my post and that is just one example of what is rampant. Capitalism is great until it is out of control as it is presently in the US.

Capitalism, the so-called free market isn't free to the citizens. We still are unable to buy Insurance from any state in the country, we are unable to buy our prescription drugs internationally, so where is all that damn free market capitalism, it is obvious industries are able to benefit from it, saving money to produce overseas, why are we not entitled to the same buying advantages? If capitalism is what is wanted, then open the doors for all of us... let us have the choice who and where to buy from, rather than being chained to the rapists of our own in-house robber barons who are calling all the shots, controlling us with price manipulations...THEY are reaping all the benefits at our stake of health and cost.

When will the representatives actually represent us? Vote in bills for us and not the insurance companies or Pharm companies.

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Jul 23, 2018 23:11:25   #
Abel
 
Jim Crow? Racism is stronger now than ever before, and it will be with us until it is no longer profitable to the racists.

Coat Hanger Abortions? No. Make it legal and take it out of the Federal, State, County, and City jurisdiction and the legal system and let those who want an abortion pay for it in a hospital rather than the taxpayers. It should be their decision, not the governments' decision.

Prohibition? We have so many prohibitions now it makes the flapper days look mild. Make it all legal and do whatever you want until it violates the rights of others, then make whoever hurt someone else responsible to rectify the hurt they caused by taking responsibility for their own actions, not suing people for a living.

Rotary phones? They ain't all bad, kinda nice once in a while, but pretty moot.

Buggy whips? If you happen to have a buggy, they work quite well. Some people like buggy whips, so whatever floats their boat as long as they don't use it on you, don't worry about it!

Have a nice day.



quote=Bad Bob]"be great once again!"


What would that be??? Jim Crow, coat hanger abortions, prohibition, rotary phones, buggy whips? [/quote]

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Jul 24, 2018 06:48:49   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Morgan wrote:
Investigation: Patients' Drug Options Under Medicaid Heavily Influenced By Drugmakers
July 18, 20185:00 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition

"This is a business. And they would only be investing in this if it yielded returns."
Warner Chilcott, which is now owned by Allergan, was trying to beat one of the few mechanisms set up by state Medicaid agencies to hold down drug costs for taxpayers and ensure safety for patients.
How we investigated drugmakers' influence over Medicaid
The Center for Public Integrity began investigating the influence of the pharmaceutical industry on state Medicaid programs eight months ago. Prescription medications under those programs cost states tens of billions of dollars annually. The cost nearly doubled between 2008 and 2016
For more details on the methodology, see the description at CPI's website.
Medicaid, which uses state and federal tax dollars to pay for health care for 76 million poor or disabled Americans, tries to ensure that patients get drugs that work the best and yet are also affordable. States put those drugs on what they call "preferred drug lists."
While Medicaid must pay for nearly all drugs by law, states can make it harder to get more expensive or less effective drugs by requiring doctors to fill out cumbersome administrative paperwork to prescribe those not on the preferred lists.
Warner Chilcott's practices were particularly brazen and even illegal because the employees submitted false information to states. It pleaded guilty to felony health care fraud and agreed in 2015 to pay $125 million in civil and criminal fines. Allergan declined to comment.
A Center for Public Integrity and NPR investigation found drug companies have infiltrated nearly every part of the process that determines how their drugs will be covered by taxpayers: giving free dinners, consulting gigs and paying for state Medicaid officials to attend all-inclusive conferences where they can mingle with drug representatives.
Drugmakers use other tactics to get their products paid for by the Medicaid programs: lobbying state lawmakers to achieve their goals or helping doctors fill out extra paperwork to get Medicaid to pay for the costlier drugs as Warner Chilcott did. The result is that Medicaid sometimes spends more than necessary and may pay for medicines inappropriate for patients.
An example:
Enriching the decision-makers
Dr. Mohamed Ramadan volunteers on the 16-member Arizona committee that decides the state's list of preferred drugs.
He also earned more than $700,000 since 2013 from drug companies, federal data show, a healthy supplement to his $259,000 salary as a psychiatrist at a mental health clinic.
Some of the drugmakers' payments to Ramadan came in the form of lunches, dinners, travel, and consulting fees. But the bulk of it — more than $500,000 — was compensation for work such as speaking at events promoting certain drugs. Pharmaceutical companies paid Ramadan for these types of events 333 times over four and a half years — an average of more than once a week.

When we have profit over the welfare of its citizens, without regulations or laws to prevent the tilting of the scales towards more to the benefit of the industry, we have a very real problem. Do you agree?

Feel free to read more at: http://www.publicintegrity.org/2018/07/18/21953/how-we-investigated-drugmakers-influence-over-medicaid
b Investigation: Patients' Drug Options Under Med... (show quote)



This problem wouldn't exist without the socialism of Medicare & Medicaid. Answer that, Morgan.

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Jul 24, 2018 07:04:50   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
This problem wouldn't exist without the socialism of Medicare & Medicaid. Answer that, Morgan.


Good morning Crazyzealot.

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Jul 24, 2018 10:27:43   #
Morgan
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
This problem wouldn't exist without the socialism of Medicare & Medicaid. Answer that, Morgan.


Socialism...as in public schools? Public rescue, public libraries, public transportation, public fire departments, public hospitals. Our public hospital just changed over to a private medical center with an average cost increase of 20% Is that your problem crazyLib?

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Jul 24, 2018 14:41:07   #
TrueAmerican
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Silly boy, I'm not even a Crat. Closer to what you Reflubs call a RINO.


No you are a a demoncRAT posing as a RINO !!!!!!

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Jul 24, 2018 15:25:49   #
Alber
 
To solve medical care we must find something that has nothing to do with politics, for this matter capitalism is bad and socialism, which on the one hand gives a right to the citizen, on the other makes it dependent on what politicians and officials determine. I think that the best system is mutualism, but unfortunately, very little is known about this system, which has nothing to do with socialism.

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Jul 24, 2018 18:08:40   #
Abel
 
I'm unfamiliar with Mutualism, so have no opinion on that; I'll have to look that up.

However, IMHO, we should get the government out of the democratic socialist business of medical and health management, and get back to being a Constitutionally limited Republic. Democracy is a very dangerous, unconstitutional, failure prone ideology (idiotology).

My case in point: The nurses made a bit of money on salary, while the hospital administrators, doctors, big pharma, big hospital, big insurance, and the Deep State operatives, made a helluvalot of money, complements of the so-called "greatest medical care system in the world" that the working taxpayers are required to support; all the while they were killing my wife with their government mandated cancer treatment methods. It took them about four and a half months to finally take her down, but it all began about five or six years before she was killed when a routine (recommended) mammogram found a small lump in her breast, which turned out to be a "stage zero cancer" (a tumor that "might" someday become a cancer, but maybe not at all) and they put her through their "recommended" surgery, chemo, and radiation (the cut/poison/burn routine) that in my opinion was unnecessary, and the weeks of hard radiation through her breast bones gave her leukemia (bone cancer), and that killed her, so they say. Actually, the medical system killed her about 11 years ago. A hospital therapy team also dropped her during a gurney to bed transfer and severely damaged her back, so she had to live the rest of her life, four months, in pain every time she had to be moved. Had we just waited and watched, my wife would most likely still be alive!

So I'm for just eliminating all the fancy hospitals with their astronomically expensive technology, big pharma and their poison pills that after a hundred years of research still won't even cure a common cold let alone a cancer because it isn't profitable for them to do so, and the government puppets in the FDA along with the best judges that money can buy that big pharma has purchased to defend their nefarious activities, and having insurance for every damned little thing, and big socialist Deep State government with its overreaching policies, and at least 95 percent of the lawyers, and all the political bullshit involving political correctness, euphemisms, and anti-USA and President Trump obstructionism, and just going back to being responsible for myself in all ways. We have so many laws, complements of democracy and democrats, that we can't go through a day without breaking one somewhere, so we have become a country of outlaws. Now, if we could just get rid of all this crap, it would solve a lot of problems, including me having to pay taxes to provide free needles to junkies, abortions to careless females, and free condoms to frisky lovers!

Alber wrote:
To solve medical care we must find something that has nothing to do with politics, for this matter capitalism is bad and socialism, which on the one hand gives a right to the citizen, on the other makes it dependent on what politicians and officials determine. I think that the best system is mutualism, but unfortunately, very little is known about this system, which has nothing to do with socialism.

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Jul 25, 2018 09:44:23   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Abel wrote:
I'm unfamiliar with Mutualism, so have no opinion on that; I'll have to look that up.

However, IMHO, we should get the government out of the democratic socialist business of medical and health management, and get back to being a Constitutionally limited Republic. Democracy is a very dangerous, unconstitutional, failure prone ideology (idiotology).

My case in point: The nurses made a bit of money on salary, while the hospital administrators, doctors, big pharma, big hospital, big insurance, and the Deep State operatives, made a helluvalot of money, complements of the so-called "greatest medical care system in the world" that the working taxpayers are required to support; all the while they were killing my wife with their government mandated cancer treatment methods. It took them about four and a half months to finally take her down, but it all began about five or six years before she was killed when a routine (recommended) mammogram found a small lump in her breast, which turned out to be a "stage zero cancer" (a tumor that "might" someday become a cancer, but maybe not at all) and they put her through their "recommended" surgery, chemo, and radiation (the cut/poison/burn routine) that in my opinion was unnecessary, and the weeks of hard radiation through her breast bones gave her leukemia (bone cancer), and that killed her, so they say. Actually, the medical system killed her about 11 years ago. A hospital therapy team also dropped her during a gurney to bed transfer and severely damaged her back, so she had to live the rest of her life, four months, in pain every time she had to be moved. Had we just waited and watched, my wife would most likely still be alive!

So I'm for just eliminating all the fancy hospitals with their astronomically expensive technology, big pharma and their poison pills that after a hundred years of research still won't even cure a common cold let alone a cancer because it isn't profitable for them to do so, and the government puppets in the FDA along with the best judges that money can buy that big pharma has purchased to defend their nefarious activities, and having insurance for every damned little thing, and big socialist Deep State government with its overreaching policies, and at least 95 percent of the lawyers, and all the political bullshit involving political correctness, euphemisms, and anti-USA and President Trump obstructionism, and just going back to being responsible for myself in all ways. We have so many laws, complements of democracy and democrats, that we can't go through a day without breaking one somewhere, so we have become a country of outlaws. Now, if we could just get rid of all this crap, it would solve a lot of problems, including me having to pay taxes to provide free needles to junkies, abortions to careless females, and free condoms to frisky lovers!
I'm unfamiliar with Mutualism, so have no opinion ... (show quote)



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Jul 25, 2018 10:42:55   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Alber wrote:
To solve medical care we must find something that has nothing to do with politics, for this matter capitalism is bad and socialism, which on the one hand gives a right to the citizen, on the other makes it dependent on what politicians and officials determine. I think that the best system is mutualism, but unfortunately, very little is known about this system, which has nothing to do with socialism.
Who told you Socialism gave any rights to the citizens? The whole idea of Socialism is to take rights away from citizens and give the power to government to decide for the citizen.

There is a finite amount of power in any area. The more government has, the less the people have. It's that simple.

Anytime government takes your money and makes decisions on how to spend it in your behalf, you lose power. And every time you lose power, government agents have that much more power to sell to the highest bidder. It's not complicated.

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Jul 25, 2018 10:44:40   #
bahmer
 
Super Dave wrote:
Who told you Socialism gave any rights to the citizens? The whole idea of Socialism is to take rights away from citizens and give the power to government to decide for the citizen.

There is a finite amount of power in any government. The more government has, the less the people have. It's that simple.

Anytime government takes your money and makes decisions on how to spend it in your behalf, you lose power. And every time you lose power, government agents have that much more power to sell to the highest bidder. It's not complicated.
Who told you Socialism gave any rights to the citi... (show quote)


Amen and Amen

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Jul 25, 2018 11:38:40   #
Alber
 
I said that socialism gives power to politicians and officials. At no time have I defended this form of slavery, as Herbert Spencer described it at the end of the 19th century. I understand that mutualism is a form of help among people that has nothing to do with socialism and is independent of politicians and government officials, since its development is based on non-governmental organizations.

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Jul 25, 2018 11:58:22   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Alber wrote:
I said that socialism gives power to politicians and officials. At no time have I defended this form of slavery, as Herbert Spencer described it at the end of the 19th century. I understand that mutualism is a form of help among people that has nothing to do with socialism and is independent of politicians and government officials, since its development is based on non-governmental organizations.
Any significant sized program will be liscensed or otherwise managed by government, but I like the idea of limitations on government involvement.

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Jul 25, 2018 12:30:51   #
Abel
 
I like that idea, Super Dave, maybe we should resurrect the Constitution, revise the Congress, and get back to it!

Super Dave wrote:
Any significant sized program will be liscensed or otherwise managed by government, but I like the idea of limitations on government involvement.

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