This is from the arch-conservative George Will - on Trump
Jul 17, 2018 20:27:55 #
America's child president had a play date with a KGB alumnus, who
surely enjoyed providing day care. It was a useful, because
illuminating, event: Now we shall see how many Republicans retain a
capacity for embarrassment.
Jeane Kirkpatrick<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/09/AR2007020901129.html>,
a Democrat closely associated with such Democratic national security
stalwarts as former senator Henry Jackson and former senator and
former vice president Hubert Humphrey, was President Ronald Reagan's
ambassador to the United Nations. In her
speech<https://speakola.com/political/jeane-kirkpatrick-blame-america-first-gop-1984>
at the 1984 Republican National Convention in Dallas, she explained
her disaffection from her party: "They always blame America first." In
Helsinki, the president who bandies the phrase "America First" put
himself first, as always, and America last, behind President Vladimir
Putin's regime.
Because the Democrats had just held their convention in San Francisco,
Kirkpatrick branded the "blame America first" cohort as "San Francisco
Democrats." Thirty-four years on, how numerous are the "Helsinki
Republicans"?
What, precisely, did President Trump say about the diametrically
opposed statements concerning Russia and the 2016 U.S. elections by
U.S. intelligence agencies (and the Senate Intelligence Committee) and
by Putin concerning Russia and the 2016 U.S. elections? Precision is
not part of Trump's repertoire: He speaks English as though it is a
second language that he learned from someone who learned English last
week. So, it is usually difficult to sift meanings from Trump's word
salads. But in Helsinki he was, for him, crystal clear about feeling
no allegiance to the intelligence institutions that work at his
direction and under leaders he chose.
Speaking of Republicans incapable of blushing - those with the
peculiar strength that comes from being incapable of embarrassment -
consider Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), who for years enjoyed
derivative gravitas from his association with John McCain (Ariz.).
Graham tweeted<https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1018890848510119942>
about Helsinki: "Missed opportunity by President Trump to firmly hold
Russia accountable for 2016 meddling and deliver a strong warning
regarding future elections." A "missed opportunity" by a man who does
not acknowledge the meddling?
Contrast Graham's mush with this on Monday from
McCain<https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=press-releases&id=A99FDA26-673D-4560-B4EA-5AEDF0685EC5>,
still vinegary: "Today's press conference in Helsinki was one of the
most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory." Or
this from Arizona's other senator, Jeff Flake
<https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/1018891518654976000> (R): "I
never thought I would see the day when our American president would
stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the
United States for Russian aggression." Blame America only.
Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, White House Chief of Staff John F.
Kelly, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats and others might
believe that they must stay in their positions lest there be no adult
supervision of the Oval playpen. This is a serious worry, but so is
this: Can those people do their jobs for someone who has neither
respect nor loyalty for them?
Like the purloined
letter<http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/POE/purloine.html> in Edgar
Allan Poe's short story with that title, collusion with Russia is
hiding in plain sight. We shall learn from Robert S. Mueller III's
investigation whether in 2016 there was collusion with Russia by
members of the Trump campaign. The world, however, saw in Helsinki
something more grave - ongoing collusion between Trump, now in power,
and Russia. The collusion is in what Trump says (refusing to back the
United States' intelligence agencies) and in what evidently went
unsaid (such as: You ought to stop disrupting
Ukraine<https://www.unian.info/politics/10033823-poroshenko-says-russia-may-interfere-in-ukrainian-elections.html>,
downing civilian
airliners<https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/dutch-led-investigators-say-russian-military-missile-shot-down-flight-mh17-over-ukraine-in-2014/2018/05/24/1e2ff92e-5f3c-11e8-8c93-8cf33c21da8d_story.html?utm_term=.289e26b983af>,
attempting to assassinate<https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2018/05/18/former-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-discharged-from-hospital-more-than-2-months-after-nerve-agent-attack/?utm_term=.cda5e98945ae>
people abroad using poisons, and so on, and on).
Americans elected a president who - this is a safe surmise - knew that
he had more to fear from making his tax returns public than from
keeping them secret. The most innocent inference is that for decades
he has depended on an American weakness, susceptibility to the tacky
charisma of wealth, which would evaporate when his tax returns
revealed that he has always lied about his wealth, too. A more ominous
explanation might be that his redundantly demonstrated incompetence as
a businessman tumbled him into unsavory financial dependencies on
Russians. A still more sinister explanation might be that the Russians
have something else, something worse, to keep him compliant.
The explanation is in doubt; what needs to be explained - his
compliance - is not. Granted, Trump has a weak man's banal fascination
with strong men whose disdain for him is evidently unimaginable to
him. And, yes, he only perfunctorily pretends to have priorities
beyond personal aggrandizement. But just as astronomers inferred, from
anomalies in the orbits of the planet Uranus, the existence of
Neptune<http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/146--When-was-Neptune-discovered->
before actually seeing it, Mueller might infer, and then find,
still-hidden sources of the behavior of this sad, embarrassing wreck
of a man.
surely enjoyed providing day care. It was a useful, because
illuminating, event: Now we shall see how many Republicans retain a
capacity for embarrassment.
Jeane Kirkpatrick<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/09/AR2007020901129.html>,
a Democrat closely associated with such Democratic national security
stalwarts as former senator Henry Jackson and former senator and
former vice president Hubert Humphrey, was President Ronald Reagan's
ambassador to the United Nations. In her
speech<https://speakola.com/political/jeane-kirkpatrick-blame-america-first-gop-1984>
at the 1984 Republican National Convention in Dallas, she explained
her disaffection from her party: "They always blame America first." In
Helsinki, the president who bandies the phrase "America First" put
himself first, as always, and America last, behind President Vladimir
Putin's regime.
Because the Democrats had just held their convention in San Francisco,
Kirkpatrick branded the "blame America first" cohort as "San Francisco
Democrats." Thirty-four years on, how numerous are the "Helsinki
Republicans"?
What, precisely, did President Trump say about the diametrically
opposed statements concerning Russia and the 2016 U.S. elections by
U.S. intelligence agencies (and the Senate Intelligence Committee) and
by Putin concerning Russia and the 2016 U.S. elections? Precision is
not part of Trump's repertoire: He speaks English as though it is a
second language that he learned from someone who learned English last
week. So, it is usually difficult to sift meanings from Trump's word
salads. But in Helsinki he was, for him, crystal clear about feeling
no allegiance to the intelligence institutions that work at his
direction and under leaders he chose.
Speaking of Republicans incapable of blushing - those with the
peculiar strength that comes from being incapable of embarrassment -
consider Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), who for years enjoyed
derivative gravitas from his association with John McCain (Ariz.).
Graham tweeted<https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1018890848510119942>
about Helsinki: "Missed opportunity by President Trump to firmly hold
Russia accountable for 2016 meddling and deliver a strong warning
regarding future elections." A "missed opportunity" by a man who does
not acknowledge the meddling?
Contrast Graham's mush with this on Monday from
McCain<https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=press-releases&id=A99FDA26-673D-4560-B4EA-5AEDF0685EC5>,
still vinegary: "Today's press conference in Helsinki was one of the
most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory." Or
this from Arizona's other senator, Jeff Flake
<https://twitter.com/JeffFlake/status/1018891518654976000> (R): "I
never thought I would see the day when our American president would
stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the
United States for Russian aggression." Blame America only.
Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, White House Chief of Staff John F.
Kelly, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats and others might
believe that they must stay in their positions lest there be no adult
supervision of the Oval playpen. This is a serious worry, but so is
this: Can those people do their jobs for someone who has neither
respect nor loyalty for them?
Like the purloined
letter<http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/POE/purloine.html> in Edgar
Allan Poe's short story with that title, collusion with Russia is
hiding in plain sight. We shall learn from Robert S. Mueller III's
investigation whether in 2016 there was collusion with Russia by
members of the Trump campaign. The world, however, saw in Helsinki
something more grave - ongoing collusion between Trump, now in power,
and Russia. The collusion is in what Trump says (refusing to back the
United States' intelligence agencies) and in what evidently went
unsaid (such as: You ought to stop disrupting
Ukraine<https://www.unian.info/politics/10033823-poroshenko-says-russia-may-interfere-in-ukrainian-elections.html>,
downing civilian
airliners<https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/dutch-led-investigators-say-russian-military-missile-shot-down-flight-mh17-over-ukraine-in-2014/2018/05/24/1e2ff92e-5f3c-11e8-8c93-8cf33c21da8d_story.html?utm_term=.289e26b983af>,
attempting to assassinate<https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2018/05/18/former-russian-spy-sergei-skripal-discharged-from-hospital-more-than-2-months-after-nerve-agent-attack/?utm_term=.cda5e98945ae>
people abroad using poisons, and so on, and on).
Americans elected a president who - this is a safe surmise - knew that
he had more to fear from making his tax returns public than from
keeping them secret. The most innocent inference is that for decades
he has depended on an American weakness, susceptibility to the tacky
charisma of wealth, which would evaporate when his tax returns
revealed that he has always lied about his wealth, too. A more ominous
explanation might be that his redundantly demonstrated incompetence as
a businessman tumbled him into unsavory financial dependencies on
Russians. A still more sinister explanation might be that the Russians
have something else, something worse, to keep him compliant.
The explanation is in doubt; what needs to be explained - his
compliance - is not. Granted, Trump has a weak man's banal fascination
with strong men whose disdain for him is evidently unimaginable to
him. And, yes, he only perfunctorily pretends to have priorities
beyond personal aggrandizement. But just as astronomers inferred, from
anomalies in the orbits of the planet Uranus, the existence of
Neptune<http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/146--When-was-Neptune-discovered->
before actually seeing it, Mueller might infer, and then find,
still-hidden sources of the behavior of this sad, embarrassing wreck
of a man.
Jul 17, 2018 22:01:12 #
Tgards79 wrote:
America's child president had a play date with a K... (show quote)
We don't care what George Will or any other Establishment Republican thinks. Who are you quoting him to?
Jul 17, 2018 22:04:12 #
BigMike wrote:
Do you believe everything Trump does is right, because Trump does it? DO you believe everything Trump says, because he says it?We don't care what George Will or any other Establishment Republican thinks. Who are you quoting him to?
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Jul 17, 2018 22:18:01 #
JFlorio
Loc: Seminole Florida
T I am sure you never much listened to George Will. Way before Trump was president republicans like Will liked to sit in their ivory towers and talk about conservatism. That’s all they did. Talk. They were for big govt. unfair trade and globalist policies.
Tgards79 wrote:
America's child president had a play date with a K... (show quote)
Jul 17, 2018 22:22:23 #
JFlorio wrote:
So you are unhappy with global trade and the world order that has served us well since WWII, created by George Marshall and enforced by Ike, JFK, Reagan, Clinton, both Bushes. You think Trump has any idea what he is doing? Dumping allies, trashing deals, ruining NATO, sucking up Putin, debasing himself, embarrassing the USA. You think this is all smart, huh. Wait until Trump destroys the economy he inherited from Obama and Russia takes over Estonia.T I am sure you never much listened to George Will. Way before Trump was president republicans like Will liked to sit in their ivory towers and talk about conservatism. That’s all they did. Talk. They were for big govt. unfair trade and globalist policies.
Jul 17, 2018 22:35:14 #
JFlorio
Loc: Seminole Florida
You’re such a drama queen. We get screwed in global trade. You know it and I know it. NATO is no longer serving us well. Have you looked at many of them?Turkey is going fundamentalist. Most put what money they contribute into salaries and bureaucracy. Not men and equipment. We didn’t dump any allies. We called them out for dumping on us. Obama’s economy, right. You’re pitiful. So Obama had a nine year plan. You’re an embarrassment to your race. The human race.
Tgards79 wrote:
So you are unhappy with global trade and the world order that has served us well since WWII, created by George Marshall and enforced by Ike, JFK, Reagan, Clinton, both Bushes. You think Trump has any idea what he is doing? Dumping allies, trashing deals, ruining NATO, sucking up Putin, debasing himself, embarrassing the USA. You think this is all smart, huh. Wait until Trump destroys the economy he inherited from Obama and Russia takes over Estonia.
Jul 17, 2018 22:39:23 #
JFlorio wrote:
You're embarrasing. You believe the man who lies the way I breath. What a sucker.You’re such a drama queen. We get screwed in global trade. You know it and I know it. NATO is no longer serving us well. Have you looked at many of them?Turkey is going fundamentalist. Most put what money they contribute into salaries and bureaucracy. Not men and equipment. We didn’t dump any allies. We called them out for dumping on us. Obama’s economy, right. You’re pitiful. So Obama had a nine year plan. You’re an embarrassment to your race. The human race.
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Jul 17, 2018 22:44:24 #
JFlorio
Loc: Seminole Florida
Tgards79 wrote:
You're embarrasing. You believe the man who lies the way I breath. What a sucker.
Didn’t agree at all with the way he handled that summit. Thought he should have been way tougher. Have already said it. However; nothing was treasonous. Amatuer hour; perhaps. We’ve had many Presidents make foreign policy blunders. Never had to throw a hissy fit about it. You can go howl at the moon now.
Jul 17, 2018 22:46:11 #
JFlorio wrote:
This was the worst showing by far since JFK versus Khrushchev. Name another "blunder" this bad. He played baby to Putin! It was humiliating!!!!Didn’t agree at all with the way he handled that summit. Thought he should have been way tougher. Have already said it. However; nothing was treasonous. Amatuer hour; perhaps. We’ve had many Presidents make foreign policy blunders. Never had to throw a hissy fit about it. You can go howl at the moon now.
Jul 18, 2018 01:02:17 #
Tgards79 wrote:
Do you believe everything Trump does is right, because Trump does it? DO you believe everything Trump says, because he says it?
Nope. Next!
Jul 18, 2018 01:03:29 #
Tgards79 wrote:
So you are unhappy with global trade and the world order that has served us well since WWII, created by George Marshall and enforced by Ike, JFK, Reagan, Clinton, both Bushes. You think Trump has any idea what he is doing? Dumping allies, trashing deals, ruining NATO, sucking up Putin, debasing himself, embarrassing the USA. You think this is all smart, huh. Wait until Trump destroys the economy he inherited from Obama and Russia takes over Estonia.
We no longer need to rebuild the world and we're getting shafted by allies and enemies alike. Don't be ignorant.
Jul 18, 2018 01:05:34 #
Tgards79 wrote:
You're embarrasing. You believe the man who lies the way I breath. What a sucker.
You don't know what someone else has in their head. He may only believe 8% of what Trump says and still vote for him over Klinton.
Jul 18, 2018 09:26:33 #
JFlorio
Loc: Seminole Florida
Over the top, it is what you lib's do. Worst showing ever? I don't know about that. I believe the reactions have been worst showing ever. I don't know what you lib's want. You praised Obama to the stars when he decided to talk to the Mullahs in Iran, who are definitely our enemies., so your outrage is just typical I hate Trump rhetoric. I thought he looked foolish. He blundered. Happens. What's embarrassing is you guys on the left. Love George Brennan now when you hated him (with good reason) under Bush. Calling it treasonous to disagree with our intelligence agencies which is exactly what the left did for eight years while Bush was President. Your TDS controls you.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/07/the-best-and-worst-foreign-policy-presidents-of-the-past-century/242781/
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/07/the-best-and-worst-foreign-policy-presidents-of-the-past-century/242781/
Tgards79 wrote:
This was the worst showing by far since JFK versus Khrushchev. Name another "blunder" this bad. He played baby to Putin! It was humiliating!!!!
Jul 18, 2018 12:16:38 #
Tgards79? "This is from the arch-conservative George Will - on Trump"
arch-conservative? I laughed like you laugh when something hits your funnybone just right but part of your brain is thinking "OMG he really believes what he just said". George Will is an elitist hack.
arch-conservative? I laughed like you laugh when something hits your funnybone just right but part of your brain is thinking "OMG he really believes what he just said". George Will is an elitist hack.
Jul 18, 2018 19:46:25 #
Fit2BTied wrote:
Tgards79? "This is from the arch-conservative George Will - on Trump"
arch-conservative? I laughed like you laugh when something hits your funnybone just right but part of your brain is thinking "OMG he really believes what he just said". George Will is an elitist hack.
arch-conservative? I laughed like you laugh when something hits your funnybone just right but part of your brain is thinking "OMG he really believes what he just said". George Will is an elitist hack.
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