MoparMike63

Why after all the evidence and people speeking out can't they get this jerk impeached????

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I am with you but you must know that impeachment involves two steps. The House has to do the accusation stage, impeachment, and then the Senate has to have a trial and do the removal stage. Do you think the Senate we have today is liable to do that.

It just isn't going to happen with this Senate. So many people think that impeachment involves the House throwing him out of office, and don't know about the Senate.

MoparMike63

I guess there are just too many cowards in our elected officials , or else they are in just as deep as he is in either case they all are guilty and need to be removed, by force if necessary.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Welcome to our site, Mike! It's always good to have more and more former military people with us here. I was married for 43 years to a Marine - he died in 2006, and it has turned out to be a blessing. I do believe had he lived to see what our government is putting America through, he would have had a stroke and died anyway. At least he died not knowing the depths to which a grand nation can sink in such a short time.

Oldroy is right about impeachment. A democrat senate wouldn't punish Clinton after a republican house tried him, and the democrat senate we have now certainly wouldn't punish Obama. I'd have liked to see impeachment hanging around his neck, though. However, in my view, every person within our government is now suspect - I wouldn't trust a single one of them to do ANYTHING honorable and decent, and I wish there was a method of sending every one of them packing. Unfortunately every segment of our government is failing the citizens miserably - some out of sympathy with the usurpers, the controllers, and some out of self imposed ignorance, otherwise known as gutlessness.

If there is a solution, it won't come from government - it will come from citizens such as you, Roy, I, and others like us here. Our goal must be to avoid imprisonment until victory is at least in sight - and I believe that will be next to impossible. The usurpers have stolen everything that is ours except our honor and our determination. The usurpers are controllers who have no honor, no integrity, no positive traits in a world gone mad. An outright rebellion would get most of us killed almost instantly. Ergo, whatever is done, if the states don't step in and nullify everything the feds demand, will be best done clandestinely and a heck of a lot smarter than Obama's clandestine planners do their work.

Again, Mike, we so welcome you and we so appreciate your service to our once great nation. I hope you will stay on and help us come up with some solution to the overthrow of our representative Constitutional government.

Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx

I agree with both you and Roy to a point. Even though it takes the both the House and the Senate to Impeach. It would still be worthwhile for the House to Start the Articles of Impeachment and at least get it on record (not saying that they have the balls to do it). At least we would know that they are not just as complicit as the Crook in the White House. Term Limits would fix the grid lock that is now in place. The ability to remove all of them in 4 to 8 years would not totally stop the corruption, but it would definitely slow them down. Term Limits should apply to all elected positions for all three branches of Gov't - Executive, Legislative and Judicial - Supreme Court Justices having a lifetime to impose their view on the rest of us is just unconscienable in today's world. Maybe, back when people held Honor and Integrity above all else, but not now.

Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx

Tasine - what would you put in place of our "Representative Constitutional type of Gov't. As a veteran I could never condone such a thing. Right now, that is the problem, we don't have that type of Gov't, we have a Non-Representative Dictatorship. That is what needs to change, not our Gov't as it is written.

Poco624

Florida scams built on the backs of veterans. Rachel Maddow says they deserve a place in hell.

Rick Scott's R-FL Lt. Gov. Jennifer Carroll R-FL resigned admid federal probe of nonprofit Charity for Veterans.

A Special Place in Hell
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/vp/51251055#51251055

Florida Charity Figures Pumped Millions to Republican Politicians
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/mar/15/florida-charity-figures-pumped-1m-politicians/

Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx

Poco - how is this post germain to this topic - If you are trying to make the point that there is just as much corruption on the Republican side as there is in the Democratic Party - I agree. Still does not change the fact that Obama should be impeached.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Did I say I would replace our representative Constitutional type of government? If I did, I misspoke. For some years now I have been yelling our representative Constitutional government has ceased to exist - and that is true. It DOESN'T EXIST ANY MORE. I wouldn't replace it, but I'd sure cut it down and make some changes! The primary thing I would do is the cut down the leviathan it has become, unconstitutionally, BTW, I'd give back states' rights to the states and get the federal government out of the CONTROL of individual behavior and social experimentation. I'd also institute some amendment, wordage yet to be determined, that would enable the citizens to take SOME legal action when government is totally and completely out of control as it is as we speak. Our Congress, our President, our Justice system, our courts, and our ballot box - ALL HAVE FAILED US MISERABLY. ALL HAVE TOO MUCH BAGGAGE TO EVER RIGHT THEMSELVES. Do they actually WANT to right themselves? Show me some evidence of that if you can.

The secret is out of the bag. Once politicians know they can stay in office by buying voters and once the voters know they can vote themselves benefits, the republic dies. That secret has been learned and I don't know how to get people to UNLEARN such a basic truth. Of course people who have ever studied any history have ALWAYS known that little fact. Offer graft, and graft will appear and grow and grow and grow.

Before you get too politically correct, and as a former military person you could NEVER envision a different form of government in the US, allow me to tell you that I, too, am a US military veteran, and I say that unless we do something - SOON - we will have lost every smidgeon of control over what form of government we will live under. We already live under an oppressive government, and dictatorship is ahead, I would say in months, not years. I am NOT out of line in my interest here as you may note from quotes much older and wiser than mine:

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_about/republic

Justice Louis D. Brandeis, quotes about Republic:
Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.

Alexis de Tocqueville, quotes about Republic:
The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.

Edward Abbey, quotes about Responsibility:
A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.


John Adams, quotes about Responsibility:
Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, the people alone have an incontestable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to institute government; and to reform, alter, or totally change the same, when their protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness require it.


John Adams, quotes about Responsibility:
We hold that each man is the best judge of his own interest.

John Adams, quotes about Responsibility:
Be not intimidated... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice.

John Quincy Adams, quotes about Responsibility:
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.

We, the people

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

I wrote: " I hope you will stay on and help us come up with some solution to the overthrow of our representative Constitutional government."

Is this what you question?! What it says is that our representative government HAS BEEN OVERTHROWN, AND I WANT SOLUTIONS TO THAT CRIME. I didn't say I WANT TO OVERTHROW IT. Our government officials have already done it and it makes me pretty darned MAD.

Poco624

The Birthers and conspiracy theory believers should be thanking President Obama for not having George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld et al, prosecuted for war crimes. When Obama took office in 2009 he was asked and declined. He said it was time for reflection, not retribution.

George W. Bush, et al, cannot leave the US because they will be tried and prosecuted by other countries. Bush tried to go to Switzerland, February '12 and was told "not so fast." He can't even go to Canada. Great choice for a president.

Aide: Obama Won't Prosecute Bush Officials
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-4955428.html

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Poco, please join the present. For 12 years we have heard you and other commies diss Bush. Now it is time for you to listen. We are tired of your constant complaints , or at least I am. If justice prevailed, which it does NOT, Obama would be in Ft. Leavenworth, would have been for decades. If you really WANT to carry on your hatred about Bush, go for it, but I can assure you I can out-tit your tat.

MoparMike63

Absolutely. We need to find a way to make that happen , by force lf necessary.

MoparMike63

I'm not sure what solutions there are , but if I can help in any way let me know. I am so upset I wrote that blank check payable to the U.S. for up to and including my life once and this is the repayment I am recieving.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Very well said, Mike. Most people, all leaners, I think, never give any thought to the blank check that our military men have written when they enlist. As one of the veterans of the Cold War days of 1954 - 1957 who almost stayed in because he liked the life so much, I have to say that although the nearest I ever got to a war was the Hungarian rebellion in 1956 I do understand what you say and must support you when you say things like that.

The best way we can contribute to getting our government back is to continue to fight with leaner trolls right here. Poco comes up with all those links to nothing to do with the topic all the time and I have to believe that they are put out to him/her by leaner blogs. We have to keep pointing out that his/her methods are such easily spotted Alinskyite work. Change the topic is what they like to do and work so hard at. Of course, on this thread that is a must for them since there is too much truth coming out on it.

I must get serious about two parts of this thread, both having to do with impeachment and how impossible it is. Number 1 would be that only the House can impeach anyone and they have to come from the Executive branch since the Framers thought that the voters could take care of the Legislators. Also, I have seen here that some think we should be able to impeach Supreme Court judges and the Framers thought they should be protected from things like that. Many people hated the judges in the early days before appointment was purely political as it is these days.

Since only the House can impeach which is only accusation I don't think we need to worry about that happening as long as the present establishment Speaker is in office. Last January a bunch of Reps in the House tried to kick him out of the seat and 4 of them ended up with him getting even with them by him kicking them off their more important committees. Tim Huelskamp, my Representative was among the leaders and he had to be removed from the Agriculture Committee so for the first time in the history of that committee there is no representative from Kansas on it. Until the establishment people, led by John Boehner, are removed from power in the House there will be no attempt made at impeachment. When you look at all the "deals" Boehner has made with Obama it is too obvious that he might as well carry either a R for RINO or a D for Democrat after his name. Nope, he doesn't work for the best for the people of this nation.

Point 2 has to do with the impeachment of Billy Clinton. Someone said back there that the Democrat controlled Senate failed to have a trial for him after his impeachment. Not so. The Senate was controlled by Republicans back then. Of course, they were establishment types, also. I never thought kicking him out of office that near the end of his term would have looked very good to the world, in that most people didn't understand that he had broken the law by lying in his own trial. Now I do wish they had thrown him out when I think about what happened but just think who would have taken his seat. Why Algore, of course.

I would love to see Obama impeached and then see how the Senate reacted to it and especially how he reacted to that. I think he would declare martial law pretty quickly and then we could see just how much of our military really backs him up

Maybe, Mike, you could suggest some way for me to buy a few more rounds of ammo for the 9mm pistol I bought three days before Newtown. The government bought up all of them that were around and I just can't camp out at some seller's business all the time to be there when they have some to sell.

Welcome to the place, Mike, and keep on speaking your mind.