emarine

Any successful business outside of gov understands the balance between revenue VS expense... It is corporate welfare that drives our national debt...90% of working tax payers cant cover it with our current Military spending...if gov waste is your issue than look no further... Only a ball less Idiot with a short term view placates to the Plutocracy with huge corporate tax cuts in a strong growing economy... or is it?... when the voice of the people is ignored for the demands of the large corps we are a Plutocracy not a Republic... citizens united opened the barn door for the Plutocrats "power"... To fully understand this issue look at Koch and all the history behind their empire starting with their treasonous relationship with Stalin shorty after WW2 & into the mid 50's .. then look what Trump has provided for Koch in one short year... you will have to dig deep Dave & connect some dots...The Koch's are brilliant at achieving wealth while covering their tracks... or remain a clueless parrot of the Plutocracy... don't be lazy if you truly love our country in the way our forefathers dreamed... Trump is a novice want to be Plutocrat... Charles Koch is a brilliant expert who employs the cream of the crop from every affluent law school on the planet for his think tanks...he profits in 63 other country's... throughout history few men have had this this much power... it is your responsibility to seek the truth … or be lazy & content with your dividends... it's all about profits over people Dave... In a United country of people is it all about just the money?... are we an ethical moral people?... as an employer of people should I layoff people every slow quarter for my bottom line?... or should I low bid contracts for little personal profit to benefit my guys & their family's? … these are issues I have dealt with for 30 years now... I should be much wealthier at this point of my life, I have more than some but less than others but I sleep well every night...

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Your political obsession with Koch is irrelevant.

What did Koch do? Do you have proof, are you repeating what you heard, or just your imagination running away?

If you think government is wasting money on corporate welfare, then raising taxes so they can water more is dumb as dirt.

The answer to bloated government is smaller government.

Morgan

Obama had tried at a minimum of national open market, the house and red states wouldn't back it. I do know for a fact McConnell is in their pocket. Hi being on the team to draw up the new health care plane equates to well...LOL Purit heading the EPA.

If we stop the flow of money most of this would end, we just have to pinch off the blood supply. I have wondered of the possibility of threats now taking place over that, threats of job security.

How would Republican gun proponents feel if the democratic office came in and changed the second amendment or the ATF and have it be run by Mike Beard, President Emeritus, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, do you think they'd be up in arms just a little bit?

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

IOW. You 'feel' its true.

The EPA under Obama was radicalized and weaponized to usurp citizens' property rights and take legal control away from states and give it to the feds. They shut industries down for political reasons. They needed to be reigned in.

You speak of political influence as if Planned Parenthood, Soros, Labor Unions, Lawyers, Big Pharm and Environmental Wacko groups didn't exist.

But I digress.

Tell me what Boogyman Koch actually did.

emarine

That's your responsibility to learn not mine to teach … if you care don't be lazy... That's just what Koch thinks also but for different reasons... since you're such a pure capitalist think about this... if 2/3 of the working people work within the free market "capitalism" , the self employed or employees working for private firms not engaged in gov business who pay tax created from the free market … & 1/3 of the people from our Military ,Military contractors & all gov employees & contractors who provide services "from" Tax money collected not the free market how can we balance a fair budget when the pay scale for most of the 2/3rds has not kept up with the cost of living around 2% for the last 30 years or so while the other 1/3 has?... Have we become somewhat of a caste system over time?... Shouldn't employers who enjoy the much larger share of company profits pay in more?... or have least kept up with the cost of living over time?... Maybe we should tax our big corps more for employing cheep foreign labor from the huge profits from the cost of cheep labor rather then give them huge tax cuts?... Has the hard working American been reduced so far to just be thankful for work?... are we not are the wealthiest country around ?... are we not the best system around?... are we at least a fair just system?... are we evolving out of slavery or into slavery just in different terms ?... this is just some of the crap I ponder when bored... Now tell me something new...

emarine

"What did Koch do? Do you have proof, are you repeating what you heard, or just your imagination running away?"



So you're lazy Dave the Super Serf... the only way to prove anything to a guy like you is... you must learn it for yourself... Fred Koch has a very profitable history starting with Hitler in Nazi Germany & Stalin during the cold war... this should prove an iteresting starting point... Remember the Bircher society?... the Tea Party... & don't forget Citizens United... its all there if you want it... unless you are a profit over the people person... then go count your dividends...

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

HAHA...

So you can't state a single thing Koch did....

If you can't give an example of the problem you claim exists, you're not debating or discussing.

You're whining.

emarine

So repetitive stupidity is all you have... do your own legwork lazy... you're still clueless on citizens united which you stated was a great ruling... the debate ended there when you tried to argue something you didn't bother to read …. you're not worth the time... go count your dividends putz & come back after you have something real to argue ... I often wondered how the German people let the Nazi's sucker them in...now I realize it was from people just like you … the proud serfs who parrot BS before thinking & learning anything for themselves ...

Morgan

Oh please Dave, do you have anything credible to back that accusation up and not another right wing slanted opinion piece. Show me the industries "Obama"shut" down, and FYI,I will check you.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

I'm supposed to figure out what you're crying about?

Grow up....

If you have nothing, admit it. Otherwise tell us.

Morgan

Let's change that to "does" do, not did. He is like handling a greased seal, he's learned to cover all his tracks, he's a pro, you know...he makes deals too, front door, back door, makes no difference to that whole group.

emarine

What's your deal buddy, lazy & a comprehension problem... it's no wonder you're a serf … but what's hard to understand is why to choose to remain one...

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

You're out here crying like a 2 year old about something... Not me.

You made a lot of vague accusations against Koch but when confronted for an example, you ask me to tell you what you're crying about.

If you have an actual accusation to make, please do so like an adult.

If all you want to do is bitch, cry, and stomp your feet, please continue.

Morgan

Your "crying" argument is bs, but then again Paul Rever was also a town crier wasn't he? It isn't just about the Koch's it is about the controlling one percent steering our government.

As ~em has said in his example look at citizens united and look how you completely support it and them, this puts you against our own democratic republic, why, it supports the people with 85% of the money to continue to do so and to even add to that unbalance, do you understand that?

Want another one the Pipeline, another perfect example, who did this really benefit, the Koch's and their refinery, while putting a main water estuary at high risk, not to mention it is on Native American lands who were against it. But it was all in place to go as soon as Trump was in office, do you think that was a coincidence?

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Citizens United held up 1A. It applies to everyone. You know Hillary outspent Trump 2-1, yet you still complain about$ in politics?

You think the existence of a pipeline is proof of something wrong? How many 1000s of pipelines do you think exist? 1 more doesn't prove anything. The fact that some group didn't want it doesn't prove squat either, since the enviro-commies have organized to oppose almost anything and everything that America needs.