Nickolai

The similarities to water gate is creepy. It's like de ja vou all over again

73STNGLKABEE

EXTREMELY HAPPY, thanx,yes you might not survive, you will melt when he gets reelected,. lol

Nickolai

He got no more rich that anybody who wrote two best selling books the royalties brought Barack and Michelle millions and estimated 7 to 12.5 million much of it earned from mutual funds and his $400,000 salary from serving as President I would not call that filthy rich. Dick Cheny entered government with nothing and was worth$60 million when he left government and only served in Congress for 10 years and vice president for 8 years. Joe Biden is worth $900,000 the same as my net worth

Nickolai

My family knew what happy looked like FDR was the hero of my family his policies lifted my family out of poverty and into the middle class and allowed my children to have good health care with a union health ins policy the first health ins in our history. It all whet to hell i na hand basket when movement conservatism began taking over in the early 1970's and killed the new deal coalition then whent to work undoing the new deal

Nickolai

Are you kidding Trump is sweating Mueller has recovered a bunch of shredded Michael Cohen documents that he didn't want anybody to see and Cohen knows where all the bodies are buried because he has been burying them for years as Trumps fixer

Gener

The fact of the matter is you have no knowledge of the truth or the reality of this. Mueller is totally dishonest, he will manufacture any evidence he can. The intent is to get rid of Trump no matter what it takes. And that is what they will do. They even said so and that has been in mainstream news. Trump is for America first, and the new world order people cannot stand this. They have no morals of any kind and will do ANYTHING to achieve their agenda.

It would be wise not to talk about things you don't know anything about. And you DEFINITELY do not know. And don't tell me this is some conspiracy theory. These are facts that have been in mainstream news for some time now.

It is hard to tell whether you really believe your lies or not.

Nickolai

I'm old too but I care and I lament the nations move to the right over the last 40 years or so, My wife and i talk of how fortunate we were to be born when we were and enjoyed Americas golden era in the three decades following WW-ll then the movement conservatism killed the new deal coalition and began taking over in the 70's and before long a working man could no longer support a wife and couple kids on a single income

Gener

Okay, Nickolai.

That is a very nice response and I appreciate it. I though, remember not a return to the right, but a massive movement to the left when I was in high school and in college. At that time, the liberal left had no valid arguments but they used ridicule, and made you out to be not in the in crowd if you don't believe as they did. I remember that after world war II we did have a wonderful and robust economy, but that was more the effects of the war than it did any liberal policies. Roosevelt did nothing to help the economy. It was world war II that fixed the economy, and after that, we lived very prosperously for some time. But that ultimately failed for a number of reason, some due to liberal policies, some due to other reasons, especially banking policies, and new world order banking policies. Liberal politicians did not help the economy but purposely put our economy in jeopardy in order to implement a New World Order with a one world government. The U.S. had to be destroyed in order for that to happen.

And... Obama himself said (on another but related subject) that treaties with the U.N. overrule our constitution. Now don't tell me he didn't say that, he did. And that is treason to this country. The constitution is the highest law of the land and nothing, absolutely nothing, overrules it. This in fact happened, and he got away with it. The issue was the second amendment. No matter how you feel about the second amendment it is part of our constitution. No other country has such an exalted document except perhaps Britain's magna carta. We are a nation of laws, but the liberals care nothing about that. They don't care about the constitution.

Whether Trump has violated any laws or not waits to be seen. But any report from the FBI is by its very nature suspect. The people of the U.S. will never know. Of course, they will destroy Trump even if they have to falsify evidence. But the Clinton's get away with crime after crime because they are part of the deep state. That is not conspiracy theory. This has been in mainstream news and it is a fact. The FBI refused to investigate regardless of the evidence, while the investigate Trump when there is NO evidence. That doesn't seem odd to you? The liberals need to face facts, which they are not doing.

To say that it is liberal policies that have brought about prosperity to America is naive at best. There is no evidence that that is the case. The thing that helps America is when we put America first. And that ultimately helps other countries too. We were destined to lead the nations, not be swallowed up with them. These are the facts of the matter, and of course I get a little animated when I hear people say things that indicate they do not know the realities of the situation. The NWO has no constitution. It acts as liberalism, which under the right circumstances can in some ways be a good thing, but it is a lie. They promise freedom, just as many tyrants did early on, but when they get power, they utterly destroy any freedom, and they hate the constitution and freedom. Almost every country in the world who at one time had democracy, eventually is overthrown by tyrants. Britain has not had this happen yet, but it happened in Germany, it happened in Russia, and it happened in Rome. It will happen here too. These are the facts of the situation. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I have been in the beast of the belly and I know and I mean, I know, what is going on. Whether there is any Satan or Lucifer or not doesn't matter. Several of the leaders of the liberal movement worship these entities and are committed to the principles traditionally ascribed to these entities. In that way, it doesn't matter whether they do or not. Many in our government, both liberal, and those who mascarade as conservatives, but are not, believe these entities are real, and they believe in enslavement of the human race. I am not saying these entities do or do not exist, only that many people believe in them. These are facts, and if you have been where I have, you would know for fact that they are truly facts. All I can say for now.

Nickolai

I haven't seen Kevin spout any nonsense he makes good and salient points as far as I have seen he is good

Nickolai

Mueller is not dishonest that's what the pig wants you to believe and you by into it the gullibility of you right wingers is astonishing. Mueller is a highly respected man both Democrats and Republicans stated so but the pig has demonized him to direct attention from his transgressions and toward our public officials and our media. Every think is fake except what the pig wants you to believe

Gener

I'm sorry, Nickolai, but you are wrong.

Mikeyavelli

...so you obviously don't own stocks.

debeda

That was a fabulous response Genre. I was just going to ask nikolai what alternate universe he lived in that he didn't notice the sharp lean to the left actually since the early 70s.

Nickolai

Most people know of the great depression but few are aware of the great compression. In the 1930's as today, a key line of conservative defense against demands to do something about inequality was the claim that nothing could be done---that is the claim-- that no policies can appreciably raise the share of national income going to families, without wrecking the economy yet somehow Franklin D Roosevelt and Harry Truman managed to preside over a dramatic downward redistribution of income and wealth that made Americans far more equal than before--and not only did not wreck the economy but set the stage for a generation long economic boom. In 1953 Time magazine, sent one of its contributing editors, Alvin Joseph, on a national tour. His mission was to get a sense of America. The portrait he painted bore little resemblance to the America of 1929. Where the America of the twenties had been a land of extreme's ,of vast wealth for a few but hard times for many, America of the 50's was all of a piece. Even in the smallest towns and most isolated areas the Time report began "the US is wearing a prosperous, middle class suit of clothes " People are not growing wealthy but more of them than ever are getting along. And where the America of the twenties had been a land of political polarization, of sharp divides between the dominant right and the embattled left.

America in the fifties was a place of political compromise " Republicans and Democrats have a surprising sameness of outlook and political thinking. " Unions had become staid establishment institutions. Farmers told the man from Time that if farm subsidies were socialism, then they were socialists. Poverty was no longer a majority condition. By the mid 50's the rich was significantly poorer than they had been in the twenties their incomes were 20 to 30 percent lower and the incomes of the really rich the top tenth of one percent --were less than half of that of the twenties. Meanwhile the real income of the median family had more or less doubled from 1929. And most families didn’t just have more income they had more security too. Employers offered health ins. retirement plans, and the federal government backed it up with unemployment ins. Social Security, and employees with formal education, like lawyers and engineers were paid less of a premium over manual laborers than they received in the twenties --or than they receive today. These statistics tell a human tale, that of a vast economic democratization of American society. By 1955 a majority of Americans owned a car and 70 % had a telephone. The rich might have had bigger houses but they could no longer afford to live in vast mansions and in particular, they couldn’t afford the servants necessary to maintain those mansions. The differences in dress had largely vanished, partly because ordinary workers could afford to wear good clean clothes, and partly because the rich could no longer afford to dress in a style that required legions of servants to help them to get in and out of their wardrobes. but how did that democratic society come into being??????????????

It did not happen by chance, This sudden decline in the fortunes of the wealthy can be explained in large part with just one word; taxes Where todays wealthy receive much of their income from employment (think CEOS and their stock options grants) in the twenties matters were simpler; The rich were rich because of the return on the capital they owned. The division of after tax income changed radically . In the twenties taxes had been a minor factor for the rich. The top rate was only 24 % and because the inheritance tax was only 20 % wealthy dynasties had little difficulty maintaining themselves but with the coming of the new deal the rich began to face taxes that were not only vastly higher than those of the twenties but high by today’s standards. The top rate rose to 63 % during FDRs first term 79 % in his second and during the cold war of the 50’s to 91 %. The average tax on corporate profits rose to more than 45 % by 1955. The top inheritance tax rose from 20 % to 45-60-70 and finally 77 % . While the rich were the biggest victims of the great compression, blue collar workers were the biggest beneficiaries.


Interestingly the economy did not collapse, and the wealthy did not substantially change their investing habits. The three decades from the mid 40’s to mid 70’s were the golden age of manual labor. In fact by the end of the 1950’s American men with a high school degree but no college were earning about as much, adjusted for inflation as workers with similar qualifications make to day. And their relative status was of course much higher. Blue collar workers with especially good jobs often made as much or more than many college-educated professionals. Why was this the case ? To some extent they were helped by the state of the world economy. US manufacturers could pay more because they faced little foreign competition. They were also helped by a scarcity of labor created by the severe immigration restrictions imposed by the Immigration Act of 1924. But if there was a single reason blue collar workers did so much better in the fifties than they had in the twenties it was the rise of unions. By the end of the twenties, American union movement was in retreat.

Major organizing attempts failed, partly because employers successfully broke strikes and partly because government consistently came down on the side of employers, arresting union organizers and deporting them if , as was often the case they were foreign born, by 1930 a bit more than 10 percent of workers were organized roughly the same share as public and private sector workers today. But under the new deal the Wagner Act was passed in 1935 and by 1947 more than a third of non farm workers were members of unions---and many others were paid wages that were, explicitly or implicitly, were set either to match union wages or to keep workers happy enough to forestall union organizers. Why did membership surge? Until the new deal the federal government was a reliable ally of o employers seeking to suppress union organizing or crush existing unions. Under FDR it became instead a protector of workers right to organize. Unions have two main effects relevant to the great compression. First unions raise average wages for their members and indirectly and to a lesser extent lift the wages of those that aren’t represented by unions as non union employers try to diminish the appeal of union drives by their employees to their workers. But still the full transformation needed WW-ll. For almost four years in the 1940’s important parts of the economy was more or less directly controlled by the government, as part of the war effort. And the government used its influence to produce a major equalization of income.



The war produced huge inflationary pressures, leading to government price controls on many key commodities, wages in many key industries were also placed under government controls.

Not surprisingly given FDR’s values the rules established by the NWLB tended to raise the wages of low paid workers more than those of highly paid employees. Following a directive by FDR that substandard wages should be raised. So during the brief period of time when the US government was in position to determine many workers wages more or less directly, it used that power to make America a more equal society. And the amazing thing is the change stuck. In 1948, the fear of change named Harry Truman the 33rd President of the United States. Americans had watched a Republican controlled Congress diminish the progress of the New Deal, and feared the outcome of a Republican White House. Political progress was at a standstill throughout the Long Gilded Age, but an increasingly privileged lower-economic class embraced liberal ideals. By the early 1950's, policies and programs associated with the New Deal were enduring and conventional.

Gener

Well, the Devil paints a very pretty picture, and it is amazing to me how many fall for it. This is the first day I have written on here for a long, long, time. And the thing that I notice is nobody ever changes their mind no matter what happens. It is just the nature of the beast. And we tend to argue along the degree of the life experience that we have had. It is hard to break free from that and see things from a higher perspective, and on rare occasions somebody actually does, but it is rare. My respect went up for nickolai after today, but he is still wrong. From his perspective though, he is not. We will just have to live with that.

The resurgence of the right he is talking about is not so much a resurgence, as it is the conservative base is getting really tired of seeing our country being destroyed and are starting to speak out. The left has cast a spell on everybody and it is a very strong spell. For those that are Christians they will probably quote the text that says, "For this reason God will send them a strong delusion, that they will believe a lie." No matter what you think about Biblical things, there is a large amount of truth to this, the left has cast a spell. And it is a very strong delusion, regardless. And people are falling for it, and millions will in the not too distant future, die because of it.

But that is just the way it is.