Big Kahuna

Perm is stuck on stupid as usual. He has been afflicted by agent orange and has not sought medical care, as I have mentioned he needs, for his mental derangement.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

read my past posts, I clearly addressed the time of the photos..and explained why we now have the compounds which are used today..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Why do you try to claim it is only your money used for these actions and facilities??

everyone knows that right winger cheat and do not pay their taxes as real patriots do..

Abel

Amen, amen.

Getting the kids "ripped" from the arms of their parents is all a political show in leftist agitprop to tug on the heartstrings of the sheeple. What it does is gets the kids into our system.

What should be done for first offenders who have only committed a misdemeanor by entering illegally the first time, is give them all, the whole family, a comprehensive background check (and turn over any criminals discovered to the authorities in their legal country of residence), then perform a complete examination on the rest for any identifying marks, fingerprint them, map their retinas, xray their teeth, register them in an "illegal migrant" database, and implant a matched set of chips in them, then send them back across the border to their originating country of residence with an instruction booklet, in their language of course, of how to enter the USA legally. That way the children could always locate their parents and visa versa, and they could get into the proper line to request asylum or immigration without becoming a felon. Second offenders, the felons, when caught, should be subjected to whatever laws apply to illegal migration into whatever country they came from, and applied to them in the manner as prescribed by that country, or if not practical, incarcerated appropriately in the the USA or Gitmo.

JoyV

Do you believe the same should be the case for Americans? That when an American criminal is sent to prison their children should be incarcerated with them? Sorry. Maybe I'm old fashioned. But I don't think children should be imprisoned with their parents whether they are here illegally or are Americans.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Do you believe that a misdemeanor differs from a felony??

JoyV

Of course.

1) Many children come unaccompanied so our officials are not separating them from their parents.
2) Some come with parents who are charged with felonies. These will be incarcerated. Depending on circumstances, they will eventually be deported. In the mean time, they will be in prison. So any children with them will certainly NOT be sent to prison.
3) Some with parents whose illegal entry is a misdemeanor. These will be deported. But since catch and release is no longer in effect, they can either be deported immediately within a few weeks and their children with them; or they can ask for asylum on the grounds they are in imminent danger. In the latter case (which a great many do), there is a backlog of immigration court cases so they must be detained until their case comes up. So either their children are put in detention with them, or they are separated.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Let me suggest that I seldom hear politicians talk about immigration reform without the word, comprehensive, being part of it. Comprehensive reform has always meant amnesty to me.

Here is a little example of what I am saying and it tears at me to hear Dems or RINOs talk about amnesty for parents and/or children.

http://www.dickmorris.com/dont-let-illegals-use-their-children-to-cross-the-border-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports

JoyV

To expand on my post; I'm including this which I wrote on a different thread.

One of the problems with catch and release is that knowing they will be released on their own recognizance does not deter others from breaking the law in coming here illegally. They only have to not comply with coming back for court and then avoid getting picked up by ICE. So If our gov can handle dealing with the numbers being detained, it is better to do away with catch and release in my opinion.

As for the kids, I see three categories. Those who come unaccompanied. Those who are accompanied by felons. And those accompanied by adults who have no past deportations or other charges. The latter will be charged with a misdemeanor of crossing our border illegally.

The first are not separated from their parents by our officials. That happened before they crossed our border. These kids are at high risk for being used in the sex trade or joining gangs. So intervention is very important.

The second group seems pretty clear cut to me. A felon is sent to prison or deported. If deported immediately their kids are not separated and are deported with them. If sent to prison the kids are certainly NOT sent to prison with them, so are separated from them.

In the third case either the adults make no asylum requests and are immediately deported with their kids. Or they request asylum and are put on the waiting list for immigration court. In the past at this point they would be released and told to report for their court case. Now they aren't released but detained. These detention centers are being expanded or new one being built. The plan for family units is in the works. But for now they are more like jails. Again it is against our principles to lock up kids who are not charged or even suspected of a crime. So they are separated.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

not sure what your point is...

Most of those who turn themselves in at the border are gulity of nothing and seeking asylum.. no law against that..

If a person is a criminal with a known record, they would be total fools to try to con the BP and should know better.

with the backlog of asylum seekers the facilities should be upgraded, but have not been except by Obama..

trump and his fellow thugs are using this sad situation to try and force funding for the wall..

They care not in the least about children or family or any aspect of law, it is all about getting their wall..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

the only point i will bother with is the catch and release.. which you actual answered in your last few lines..

President Obama made the decision to use the limited facilities as most needed..

rather then lockup all the misdemeanors who wanted to come to this country, he chose to use facilities to lock up felons and keep them off America streets..

Now we have the orange fool using the families to find pity and outrage in order to get his wall financed..

He cares nothing about humanity.. only his wall and himself.. evil, vile, horrid person who somehow found a chair in our white house .. that is so embarrassing..

The entire world laughs at us while the orange fool plays us for our money and future..

JoyV

There has been upgrading. But that is not enough to meet the load. So new centers are in the works in several places around the US. Trump 2018 budget plan requests an increase of $1.2 billion to upgrade existing facilities alone. But he has also nearly quadrupled the number of immigration judges. Obama had reduced them.

No it is no crime to seek asylum. But most countries do not go to the lengths we do in giving each and every asylum seeker their day in court.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

To be clear, there is no official Trump policy stating that every family entering the US without papers has to be separated. What there is is a policy that all adults caught crossing into the US illegally are to be criminally prosecuted — and when that happens to a parent, separation is inevitable. Asylum seekers and families are both accorded particular protections in US and international law, which make it impossible for the government to simply send them back. Those protections also put strict limits on the length of time, and conditions, in which children can be kept in immigration detention. There are stories that in some detention centers separation has happened. I can not find verification of this, only hear say.

News media has lumped the groups into one category, and that is their error.... asylum seekers, by law, are treated differently.

JoyV

Thanks for the additional info.

JimMe

The separation of families has been going on for 2 decades under a Federal Court ruling of a separation case... Congress can pass a law that ensures the family stays together, something no Congress has done under the past 3 Presidents... I've seen where this Congress is writing such a law now... Hopefully, they can get this done and keep families in tact...