Endoscopy Loc: Florida

You fall for the idiotic fake pictures. The children were housed in rooms with 4 beds, given good meals, medical attention and schooling. Keep in mind that the adults bringing them in were not their parents. They were pawns being used by the adults in order to get into the country. Being questioned by the authorities the adults hardly knew anything about the children and the children hardly knew anything about the adults.

Endoscopy Loc: Florida

Looks to me like a progressive summer camp fool!!

straightUp Loc: California

That was AFTER YOU brought up the gulags, Loki... Nice try.


Not all of them are. It depends on the jurisdiction and the prison system involved. It's also extremely rare.


What criminals! We should deport them! LOL


Yeah, and..?


That's not what we're talking about genius. Read the title of the topic. We're not talking about enforcing the law... We're talking about the inhumane methods being used to enforce the law. Separating children from their parents indefinitely is a NEW policy introduced by the Trump Administration, not Congress and not the Democrats. Bush didn't have to separate families indefinitely just to enforce the law and neither did Obama. And we KNOW they were enforcing the law because the deportation rates were actually higher under these presidents they are now under Trump. So obviously, there is no proven advantage to this new policy. So far the ONLY apparent purpose, as stated by Jeff Sessions himself, is to deter. That has NEVER been the intended purpose of separating a child from a U.S. citizen convicted of a crime.


It's a consequential deterrent not an intentional one. Ya know... I'm getting tired of you're nancy-pancy crap. Be a man and stand up to the argument and stop tap-dancing around it. I know you're not so stupid that you can't understand the point being made on this topic. If you think it's OK to rip families apart for the purpose of scaring others then just say so. F**king own up.


That's it? You got one Muslim terrorist in Yemen who just happened to be born in the U.S. and you're willing to execute a president, who is committed to a war on Terrorism for ordering a hit on him but you're OK with a president who makes it a POLICY to rip thousands of children from the arms of their mothers?


Uh... the fact that it's equal treatment for unequal crimes. Do I really have to explain to you? Your suggestion is no less idiotic than saying the electric chair for a murder is equal to the electric chair for driving 10 mph over the posted speed limit. In both cases the law is being broken. What a f***king retard.

straightUp Loc: California

Such as?


No, Loki... some things are verifiable, such as the immigration policies of other nations. I caught Radiance3 lying about that. She said "Go to Mexico, they will not allow you to come and live freely." 3 months ago I was in Cabo San Lucas visiting my friend, a U.S. citizen who moved there to retire and he is now living there... freely. I actually am VERY careful whom I call a liar. Most times, when I catch a lie like that I revert to the "I don't know if you're lying or just ignorant" response because I know most deplorables are only parroting what they are told... so they might be repeating other people's lies without realizing it.

There are plenty of opinions I don't agree with, but I don't confuse them with lies.

straightUp Loc: California

So the pictures of all those children in detention centers are fake? Wow, that's a pretty elaborate set up then, I suppose you think all those children are actors. And yet someone calls it a "summer camp" and you totally believe them without so much as a shred of evidence. LOL.


riiiight... because if some of the children are unaccompanied teens, it stands to reason that the toddlers are unaccompanied too, right?


LOL, what a load of BS.

Endoscopy Loc: Florida

You far leftwing progressive moonbat morons seem to only assign evil intentions and actions to conservatives. You fools need to look in a mirror. While crying alligator tears over things under Trump you ignore they were happening under Obama.

HYPOCRITES!!!

Endoscopy Loc: Florida

It is obvious that you are ignoring the release of the news about this. So stick it where the sun doesn't shine!!!

Loki Loc: Georgia

[i"]That was AFTER YOU brought up the gulags, Loki... Nice try."[/i]
You compared Sessions to Stalin. I said Sessions did not send people to gulags and YOU compared them to detention camps.
A lie on your part.
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Referring to misdemeanants.....
"Not all of them are. It depends on the jurisdiction and the prison system involved. It's also extremely rare."

Another lie
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2012/04/misdemeanors_can_have_major_consequences_for_the_people_charged_.html
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"We're not talking about enforcing the law... We're talking about the inhumane methods being used to enforce the law. Separating children from their parents indefinitely is a NEW policy introduced by the Trump Administration, not Congress and not the Democrats. Bush didn't have to separate families indefinitely just to enforce the law and neither did Obama. And we KNOW they were enforcing the law because the deportation rates were actually higher under these presidents they are now under Trump."
More lies. The policy is not new, it became law under the Bush Administration and was a result of a SCOTUS decision during the Clinton Administration. Trump has not separated families indefinitely, and the deportation rates under Obama were higher because his was the only Administration in history to count border turn backs as deportations. Had he kept count the way everyone else did, his Adminstration would have been dead last.
Speaking of Obama, in one year his Administration paroled more than 8000 violent wetback prisoners who subsequently disappeared onto the streets to commit more crimes. So enforcing a law enacted by a previous Administration is a crime against humanity but releasing tens of thousands of violent wetback criminal scum onto our streets is what, humanitarian? Ever think about how many US citizen children of whatever race or ethnicity are affected by these actions? Of course you didn't.
https://cis.org/Vaughan/ICE-Released-19723-Criminal-Aliens-2015
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"So far the ONLY apparent purpose, as stated by Jeff Sessions himself, is to deter. That has NEVER been the intended purpose of separating a child from a U.S. citizen convicted of a crime."
Yet another lie. The only purposes for separating a child from a US citizen convicted of a crime are
1). Punishment for the crime.
2). Deterrence from future crimes both for the prisoner and anyone else who might be tempted.
Are you really this obtuse?
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By the way, you didn't exactly catch Radiance in a lie. She was referring to people who enter Mexico illegally and get caught.
******

"If you think it's OK to rip families apart for the purpose of scaring others then just say so. F**king own up."
Of course I think it's okay. So do the majority of Americans. So do you, as long as the families are not wetbacks. How about you do a little owning up yourself? You accuse others of lying, then demand proof of your own (which I provided.) Oh, speaking of lies, your cutesy little picture of kids in detention? That was one of the pictures taken during the Obama Administration. Another lie.
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"Uh... the fact that it's equal treatment for unequal crimes. Do I really have to explain to you? Your suggestion is no less idiotic than saying the electric chair for a murder is equal to the electric chair for driving 10 mph over the posted speed limit. In both cases the law is being broken. What a f***king retard."
I was not suggesting. I was stating based on existing US immigration law, prick. Are you stoned or just a nitwit? You cannot look this stuff up for yourself? Would you like me to do it for you, and stay available to explain the big words to you, or can you manage a dictionary all by your widdle self?

Radiance3

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The reasons why you have been defending these criminals and law breakers because you are of the same kind. You justify their crimes, just like all democrats, who allow them to violate the laws of this country so that they can have more like them, to support and commit fraud for them to vote so that they always win the election.

So what kind of life are they carrying? Fraud, lies, and corruptions. Why does your head justify that? Because to you, it is okay to commit all kinds of crimes, just as all you democrat people do. Birds of the same kind, flock together. You brains, hearts and shameless lifestyle harmonize together for destroying the constitution of the United States.

There is a law. If they want to come, follow the law. Nobody stops them from legally coming. But they violate the law. No country in the world allow that kind. Why do you justify criminals and law breakers? Because you did the same thing?

Radiance3

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That just proves you that you are dumb. Why can't you understand the law? Why do you tolerate people to commit crimes against the United States. You don't care because you are of the same kind? You justify people committing crimes because that is your standard that committing crimes are okay? No wonder all democrats defend these criminals because they do it themselves. You are of the same kind. You harmonize living with them commit crimes against this country.

Democrats want more illegal aliens because these are the people like them, they use them to vote fraudulently for democrats so they win the election by fraud. The more of them, then they always win the election for greed, for power, stealing, and lying like Hillary and Obama. Are you proud of them? Of course you are. Because your brains are the same.

Nancy Pelosi even defends those criminals MS13, and vilified the innocent victims killed by her gangsters. That's the substance of the democrat brain. Where did these MS13 come from? From the same people that you are defending.

Scared of the competition to commit crimes? These people are professional criminals. First they start coming to the US by breaking the law. Then they elevate their crimes as they stay longer and supported by you and the rest of the democrats.

Competition? WE the taxpayers, spend more than $116 billion annually to support these criminals, plus more than $6.5 billion committed via IRS crimes.They steal SS numbers, file fraud IRS reports to get money from the IRS.

Compete to committing crimes? These are their expertise.
They could not read and write, make so many babies and do the same crimes with their parents as the babies grow up. Are you one of them?

Morgan

McConnell, Ryan Trump and Koch, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, lol but not very funny.
Trump now has 44 ex-Koch people working in the White House working with Trump for the Koch's.

Pruit heading the EPA, Perry for the department of energy, Tillerman from shell made him the secretary of state who was working with the Russians for an oil deal while he was campaigning. Ironically even Tiller couldn't stand dealing with Trump because he was an idiot, we can't make this stuff up, it's a dark comedy in the works. Unfortunately, in dark comedies bad ~hit happens to good people, we will be the collateral damage unless we become active, see their goals and stop them.

I've always felt what happens to you, is what you allow to happen. People have to continue to protest and get out and vote for Democrats~for the working man.

Koch is now obstructing train rails being built in five cities, putting millions into campaigning against them in those cities. Ironic not too long ago I had made a thread on where had our trains gone?

Now I've recently read of Trump and Ryan working on changing the requirements for SS and disability, which will include conditions and time limits. Of course they have to figure out how to make up the loss for all the tax benefits to the wealthy. We don't have the money to build a wall, but Trump has been boasting he's going to build space military " The Space Force" I guess he's going to be "Spaaace Trump"ROFLMFAO or maybe Darth Trump working for the Imperial Army, working for the Dark Side.LOL.

We'll see how many people will fall to the wayside under their new health plan conditions.

Just this morning the news stated these some of these temporary holding barracks(detention centers) are now going to be turned into permanent child care facilities, this I'll have to verify whether this is true. If it is true, this is very serious in the mental strategy of this administration. Sounding more like Nazism all the time.

These guys are bulldozing forward working their way back, not only back to the beginnings of America, but all the way back to a cast system under a hierarchy. Look how jealous Trump is with leaders who have complete say and are dictators, he wants the power, like Cadney..."look Mom I'm on top of the world"! LOL

I'm regressing, seriously though we can't let Democrats sit this one out complacently. Things are being done while they have us focused on other issues. Especially in supreme courts.

Morgan

Wrong again, I've never defended their actions, not once, but under our laws, they originally were not considered breaking the law when asking for asylum. Your party prejudice blinds you. You're not Radiant you're dark and dull and why you and your kind do align with someone as low as Trump. You are radiant while you are all for having babies and toddlers suffer, It makes me truly wonder what the hell kind of woman are you? You are devoid of anything maternal.

You're a Christian woman, this just in from the POPE:

The Pope said he supported recent statements by U.S. Catholic bishops who called the separation of children from their parents “contrary to our Catholic values” and “immoral”.

I'm anticipating a derogatory remark now about the Pope.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Matter of fact, they ARE breaking the law. One does not simply sneak into this country and demand asylum when you are caught. There are also criteria for refugee status which very few of these people meet. You could blame the left wing wetback support groups who trick these people into thinking they will get asylum when they know damn well they won't. It is simply another artifice by pro-wetback organizations to monkey wrench the immigration system by overwhelming it with fraudulent and worthless asylum and refugee status requests.
There are 24 US consulates in Mexico and 48 Ports-of-Entry on every major and many not so major highways connecting the two countries. There is not that much need to sneak into the US. If Central Americans can make it from Central America through the entire length of Mexico, they can get to a consulate or Port-of-Entry.

Morgan

And you, are not a hypocrite, you complained of the sins of Obama, but are all justified under Trump, glass houses my friend.

Loki Loc: Georgia

A correction. An addendum if you will regarding deterrence. Children are taken from criminal parents for their own protection. While the parents (if they are parents) of illegal children are being detained pending verification (unlikely) of their asylum and refugee claims, the kids have to go somewhere. Your solution is to house them with adult prisoners. Aren't we the precocious little social worker?