jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Hey Morgan, 88° today and 106° this time next week. Moving in a few weeks so going to enjoy the heat till then.

What you posted us horribly. Except it is mixed with half truths. The children in cages are photos from 2014. I've looked up several resources to verify that the parents are missing and with near certainty the children are with the parents and the entire narrative is drama and false as you will see below and also can verify.
As I've said before, in our new political world it has morphed into extremes never before seen. We are no longer able to have any trust in what we hear and read. I have over the last decade watched CSPAN and taken in entire speeches by the congress and senate only to see later on a news network pieces edited that would convince anyone watching that something very different was said than what actually was. To this day it frustrates and confuses me how a once trusted source could or would intentionally deceive and fabricate a false narrative. Now it has evolved into "nothing" and I mean nothing can be trusted coming from (I'm estimating) 80% of what we hear or see. Over the last few years I have had to eat crow from inaccurately posting information or a reply to a post, a strike to my ego. I have also seen others in this forum eat crow, so at lest I have company in error.

Democratic politicians, journalists, and top staffers in Barack Obama’s White House whipped themselves into a frenzy Sunday, attributing “disturbing” photos of migrant detention centers to President Donald Trump — before discovering the photos were taken during Obama’s second term as president.
The first wave of viral photos, showing immigrant minors sleeping inside enclosed cages, were featured in an AZCentral.com article — but that didn’t stop far-left activists from decrying the photos.
Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau urged followers to “look at these pictures,” adding that the forcing the Trump administration to return the children to their parents was the “only debate that matters” right now.

Farveau, who later deleted the tweet, admitted to sharing photos taken under his former boss’s watch — but still found a way to shift blame onto the Trump administration.

“These awful pictures are from 2014, when the government’s challenge was reconnecting unaccompanied minors who showed up at the border with family or a safe sponsor,” he wrote.

“Today, in 2018, the government is CREATING unaccompanied minors by tearing them away from family at the border.”
Antonio Villaraigosa, former Los Angeles mayor and California gubernatorial candidate, said the photos left him “speechless.”
This is not who we are as a nation,” he added.

Villaraigosa later deleted his post.

When confronted on why he deleted the tweet, Villaraigosa completely sidestepped the question.

“Taking children from their parents whether it’s under a Democrat president or a Republican one doesn’t make it any more right,” he snapped. “The key issue is not when it started, but when it will end.

“It’s wrong. It’s wrong for Democrats. It’s wrong for Republicans. It’s wrong for Americans.”
CNN reporter Hadas Gold deleted her own tweet, claiming it gave people the “impression” that the photos were recent.
No you did not “give the impression”. You flat out said it.



New York Times Magazine‘s Editor-in-Chief Jake Silverstein called the photos “disturbing” before deleting his tweet. Shortly after, Silverstein claimed he made the massive factual error because he was “distracted [with his] family on the weekend.”

“Correction: this link, which was going around this morning, is from 2014. Still disturbing, of course, but only indirectly related to current situation. My bad (and a good reminder not to RT things while distracted w family on the weekend).”

Linda Sarsour, the co-founder of the Women’s March, opted to leave her tweet up, later slamming the U.S.’s immigration system, which she described as a “disaster” long before the Trump administration.

Civil rights activist Shaun King, no stranger to spreading fake news about law enforcement, urged his followers to read the dated article.

“I saw this photo floating around and didn’t know if it was real. It is,” he fumed.

“Children of immigrants are being held in cages, like dogs, at ICE detention centers, sleeping on the floor. It’s an abomination.”

The inaccurately portrayed photos prompted AZCentral.com to issue a public clarification.

“Photos of children at a migrant holding facility have gone viral on social media,” the paper’s official account tweeted. “The pictures are from 2014. They were originally posted with this azcentral article about unaccompanied migrant children who were transported to a facility in Arizona.”
While AZCentral’s story claimed to have the “first” look at the Obama ICE detention centers, the paper published its photos nearly two weeks after Breitbart Texas first revealed leaked images of these facilities in June 2014. The Breitbart Texas scoop set off a national debate on illegal border crossings that pushed immigration to the forefront of America’s national elections in both 2014 and 2016.

In their “continuing coordinated effort to criticize all things Trump,” charges The Federalist’s Margot Cleveland, media have “dragged illegal aliens out of the shadows — and into the sight of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency.” That’s because of their sensational misinterpretation of Senate testimony that federal officials (after a cursory check) had been unable “to determine with certainty” the whereabouts of 1,475 unaccompanied children. This became a narrative that “the Trump Administration lost nearly 1,500 minors and they were at risk of being victims of traffickers.” But, as one activist wrote, “They aren’t missing! They are almost certainly living with family members who almost certainly don’t want to interact with the government and we shouldn’t ask them to.”

Take care and have a wonderful day,

Morgan

We all have to pay for, I have mentioned several times to change that law, that automatic citizenship should not be granted only to the fact of being born on our soil, but only to parents of legal citizens. You may not be aware of that you're new here I believe?

Also, I didn't post any pictures so I don't know what pictures you're referencing to. My topic is on children at the border being taken away from their mother/parents, this has only happened recently under Jeff Sessions zero tolerance rule.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

You did mention images of caged children..and those cages were approved by Obama..the images were from his reign , can you not straight up admit that fact???

Morgan

You will have to show me my evil ways the next I'm supposedly proselytizing as if I were a saint. Tell me dear Wolf why can't you folks like yourself here simply stick with the topic at hand and not get personally nasty?

As far as homosexuals, they are people and deserve the same rights as anyone else...I don't believe in taking away anyone's rights. They are very nice PEOPLE who do the same good things as other good people possible more do to the fact being persecuted one evolves one's spirit to a higher level one with more compassion and understanding.

I don't believe in abortion, but as I said I don't believe in taking away anyone's' rights. Each pregnant woman has her own moral decision to make and not that with the government. If she is to be judged that will be with her and the divine.

Yes I a for empowering women, we still need help getting from under the man's rule and suppression. Tell me when will women get equal pay for the same job? Men being the majority in Congress keep bipartisanly voting it down, That I suppose will only change as more women get in Congress. Men have never been great giving up a good thing, That would be control and the upper hand. A change is coming though. Thankfully there are many men who do support equality for women.

As far as atheist's, I find almost all not to have the same disparaging judgments as religious people, more open minded to accept each person for who they are by their character and deeds, with a more of a live and let live philosophy and not the satin filled demons the religious like to condemn them as.

Democrats are good God-fearing patriotic Americans who have fought and died for this country also and are the guardians for the civil protections of Americans.
I think I've covered the bases here, and yes that is what I believe, and I will not retaliate against you in kind. You have a great day.
Maybe next time rather than trying to kill the messenger, you could be civil and give your thoughts on the topic and what we could've done instead.

Morgan

Now you're on the slippery slope, making an assumption, which was wrong, the cages I was referring to are from this recent time under Jeff Sessions zero tolerance rule.

In April,(this past April) the ACLU reported that a Honduran mother had been separated from her 18-month-old toddler for two months.
Article snips from The Guardian
Sun 3 Jun 2018 11.37 EDT

Read the rest http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/03/immigrant-children-parents-families-protest

EmilyD

What does my being new here have to do with what I said about the 14th amendment? So you've said it already. So what?

About the pictures - I've copied this from your original post: "We’ve seen images of children caged in cells like stray puppies at a shelter; two, three and four year old children huddled on cots under thin Mylar blankets; of weeping parents embracing their terrified children while immigration officers wait to grab the tearful kids.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

As of December 31, 2013, NCIC contained 84,136 active missing person records. Juveniles under the age of 18 account for 33,849 (40.2 %) of the records and 9,706 (11.5 %) were for juveniles between the ages of 18 and 20. These numbers are of US citizens, US juveniles.....are you equally concerned for them? https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/about-us/cjis/ncic/ncic-missing-person-and-unidentified-person-statistics-for-2013

The unaccompanied juveniles from 2014.... 1,475 went missing or simply decided to "live on their own" or may have reached "adulthood" and simply decided to blend into America's mainstream. The previous administration made it clear that those juveniles were to be embraced and not sent "home." There was no mandate to track them. The 1475 was discovered through phone conversations, not because guardians reported them missing to law enforcement. Perhaps the guardians lied on the phone because they thought the "kids" were being rounded up to repatriate back to their home countries. Many reasons can account for the "missing."

Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas

Civility is what compelled me to respond.

I would consider it a civil act if a complete stranger offered me a rope to climb out of a snakes den.

That's exactly what I am offering you.

You became irritated because I associated you with evil.

But I associate with evil frequently so I know it's victims by heart.

I didn't say you had evil ways.

Only you would know that.

I said that you "side" with evil.

Do I really need to explain the difference ?

I've been there myself on occasion.

But I grabbed hold of the rope.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

There aren't any pictures to back up your claim..the fake news is slamming our President Donald J Trump with accusations and using old pictures..to clear this up, can you provide current images of the caged children?.. pictures that you can prove they're since 2016?

Morgan

My point...was in reference to your comment..."Both parents and children should be sent back. Pregnant women come here SPECIFICALLY to have their anchor babies so that they will be allowed to stay illegally here in the US and then getting freebies that YOU, Morgan, have to pay for. " meaning you are not familiar with my views because you haven't been here long enough to see I made posts in agreement with your post, not to make babies of illegal aliens automatically citizens, I thought I was very clear, as it immediately followed that statement. You seem to have implied that I was for it with your exaggerated reference to ... YOU. I wasn't debating the 15th amendment at all.

I mentioned pictures from the article I read, which I've earlier posted from June 3, 2018.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Morgan..you haven't shown that the images are as recent as the article.. thanks..

Morgan

Hi Jack! Wow that's too hot for me. Thank you for your reply and you may be right on the manipulations of some of the points in the article. i've tried to look into the two separate incidences, the present day and the prior one from said pictures. I think mixing the two was intentional.



It's taken some time but this is what I found (leaving the pictures out of it)When it comes to families and the borders there have been three rules of law/agreement. 1. back with Bill Clinton's presidency when the Flores settlement” was created in1997. This was a legal agreement that required the federal government to release rather than detain undocumented immigrant children, first to their parents if possible, to other adult relatives if not, and to licensed programs willing to accept custody if no relatives are available. As a last resort, U.S. officials may place children in the “least restrictive” setting available. This was also the catch and release we;ve heard about.

2. Came the TVPRA ~Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act signed by George W Bush. TVPRA is meant to give safe harbor to victims of human trafficking and says unaccompanied children “are exempt from prompt return to their home country,” unless they come from Canada or Mexico, according to the Department of Homeland Security. Children fleeing violence in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras are covered by this law.

Though we,ve recently heard of a Honduras woman losing her 18 months old for two months.

Now we have 3. this new zero-tolerance rule implemented by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. In April, Sessions directed prosecutors to charge as many illegal entry offenses as possible. Forcing children to be separated from their loved ones.

So, now on one hand, the Flores settlement and the TVPRA requires that children be released. Whereas on the other hand, Sessions zero-tolerance policy subjects any accompanying parents to criminal prosecution and eventual deportation.

Nothing required the Trump administration to forcibly separate children from their families, until Sessions zero-tolerance policy made it a practical necessity. But who gave Session's the order to do this?

This is beyond the drawn line, this is not who we are as a people, I hope anyway.

Morgan

You and Jack had similar references from the past, my reply to Jack I believe covers both. I got your message loud and clear and it's valid. We are constantly manipulated. It is now more important than ever that we are all vigilant on the correct facts or at least as close as we can get. There are some hidden truths we may never know is my meaning. I always appreciate your contemplative responses.

Morgan

I've never seen the images only read about others seeing them, I don't want to see them, it would upset me, as a mother.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Thank you for your most kind response.