Steve700

Sorry folks, but you've got to watch the video to get the information on this one. Not only was the blood of Jesus found, but also the Ark of the covenant and the location of the old Jewish Temple (Not where popularly thought to be) that Jesus predicted, and that happened 40 years after his death by the Romans, would be destroyed without leaving one of those huge building blocks resting upon another. I have told you non-believing liberal heathens, that there was plenty of proof of God and of Christianity being the correct religion, by way of fulfilled and fulfilling Bible prophecy, but of course none of you have paid any attention or bothered to do the research because you really don't want to know the truth that might require some changes to your thinking and your life; well here is something that would take you less effort to substantiate.

The dried blood of Jesus that they found was tested by the Israelis and found to have only chromosomes from the mother, none from the father, which is not only a scientific impossibility, but means that Jesus's physicality came from Mary alone. As you can imagine the Israeli scientists who did the testing were quite shocked and dumbfounded to find that their long awaited Messiah had actually come along some 2000 years ago. The dried blood also had some element of being alive, which is not a normal occurrence with dried blood either. (See through an electron microscope)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_l9pUIeBak
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crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

bahmer

I will watch the rest later thanks.

Singularity

A simple Google search of Wyatt and his work reveals that his findings consist of wishful thinking/outright lies. No serious scientist, geologist or biblical scholar supports his laughable profile of claims of discovery and proofs.

In my opinion, were he not already dead, he should be "persecuted" to the full extent of the law.

Steve700, is there any idiotic notion you would not accept, believe and promote as long as it appeared to promote the validity of your crazy magical religious fantasies? Your belief, hook line and sinker, in the validity of these impossible absurdities, and apparent total mystification as to what comprises actual scientific proof of a claim, and neglect or inability to follow up and find that numerous other reliable researchers in the appropriate field of inquiry have massively debunked the specific claims, render you a completely unreliable witness!

Honestly, it is not even possible to reliably assume you know your own name!

Singularity

For example: from Wikipedia/Reception

"Wyatt was not considered credible by professional archaeologists and biblical scholars. The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem state in a letter they issue to visitors on request:

The Council of the Garden Tomb Association (London) totally refute the claim of Mr Wyatt to have discovered the original Ark of the Covenant or any other biblical artifacts within the boundaries of the area known as the Garden Tomb Jerusalem. Though Mr Wyatt was allowed to dig within this privately owned garden on a number of occasions (the last occasion being the summer of 1991) staff members of the Association observed his progress and entered his excavated shaft. As far as we are aware nothing was ever discovered to support his claims nor have we seen any evidence of biblical artifacts or temple treasures.[17]

Archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that "Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. ... [His claims] fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc."[18]

Wyatt's official organization, Wyatt Archaeological Research (WAR), claims that the IAA have always been aware of the excavations and issued "verbal permits" for most of them and official permits to all WAR excavations since 2002.[citation needed] Nevertheless, the only evidence of WAR involvement in a legitimate excavation sanctioned by the IAA relates to WAR part-funding of a 2005 dig.[19]

Evangelicals have also been critical of Wyatt's claims: Answers in Genesis called Wyatt's claims "fraudulent",[20] and David Merling, a Seventh-day Adventist professor of archaeology addressed the issues of Wyatt's Noah's Ark and anchor stones with the following:

While the Durupinar site is about the right length for Noah's ark, [it is] ... too wide to be Noah's ark. Wyatt has claimed that the "boat-shapedness" of this formation can only be explained by its being Noah's ark, but both Shea and Morris have offered other plausible explanations. Likewise, Wyatt has argued that the standing stones he has found are anchors, while Terian is aware of similar stones outside the Durupinar site area that were pagan cultic stones later converted by Christians for Christian purposes.[21]"

bahmer

It sounds like you and Seventh day Adventists have a major problem with this Wyatt guy. I looked it up and if any of the claims that you and Wyatt make were true they would be blasted from the roof tops all over the world. Every christian sect would be preaching it from their pulpits.
I'll list this as mare fake news.

Singularity

I worked as an attending physician, a psychiatrist, at Tennessee Christian Medical Center, formerly known as Madison Hospital, in Madison Tennessee during the 80s and 90s when this fool was still kicking around. What a f****** idiot!

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1511-ron-wyatt-the-indiana-jones-of-the-sda-church

RON WYATT, THE “INDIANA JONES” OF THE SDA CHURCH
BY WAYNE JACKSON
Ron Wyatt (1933-1999) was a nurse-anesthetist in a hospital in Madison, Tennessee. At the age of 27 he saw a picture in Life Magazine of the Durupinar site — a large natural, boat-shaped formation — in eastern Turkey. Feverish speculation circulated that this could be the residue of Noah’s Ark. This sparked Wyatt’s interest, and was the beginning of a long amateur career as a sensationalist pseudo-archaeologist.

For the last 22 years of his life he made numerous trips to the Middle East. The claims associated with his “discoveries” would make Harrison Ford’s “Indiana Jones” pale into oblivion. Yet today, more than a decade after his death, the ongoing boasts of his unparalleled “finds” are heralded via the Wyatt Archaeological Research web site, and the various competing factions that publicize his exploits.

His work has been debunked thoroughly by professional archaeologists and respected biblical scholars. On August 8, 1996, Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology with the Israel Antiquities Authority (Jerusalem), issued the following statement:

“Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun, etc. It’s amazing that anyone would believe them...” (http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Zias.html).

Wyatt’s religious affiliation was with the Seventh-day Adventist sect. Ironically, the most thorough exposé of the gentleman’s claims was produced by two scholars of his own denomination, Russell R. and Colin D. Standish.

The Standish brothers were identical twins who were from New South Wales, Australia. Russell (who died in 2008) was a physician, hospital administrator, and a medical missionary; Colin is the founder and president of Hartland College in Virginia. Both were ordained as ministers in the conservative branch of SDA church. They have been prolific writers, co-authoring numerous books, among which is Holy Relics or Revelation – Recent Astounding Archaeological Claims Evaluated (hereafter designated as HRR).

Alleged Discoveries
According to the aforementioned book, Wyatt discovered or identified some ninety-two relics or sites (HRR, 7-10). These include:

Noah’s Home and a Flood-inscription at that site,
Fences from Noah’s farm,
Anchor Stones from Noah’s Ark,
laminated Deck Timber from the Ark,
Noah’s Altar,
Tombs with Tombstones of Noah and his wife,
the precise location of the Red Sea Crossing,
Wheels from Egyptian Chariots involved in the pursuit of the Israelites from Egypt,
the Book of the Law written by Moses on Animal Skins,
Gold from the Golden Calf fashioned by Aaron,
the Ark of the Covenant,
Tables of the Ten Commandments,
the Tabernacle’s Table of the Showbread,
Goliath’s Sword,
Jesus’ Tomb and the Stone Seal of the Tomb,
a sampling of Christ’s Dried Blood, proving the doctrine of the Virgin Birth by means of a “chromosome count,” etc.
If all the claims of Wyatt were true, he would be the most celebrated archaeologist in the history of that scholastic discipline! And yet he had no scientific credibility at all with respectable scholars; he was and is adored only by a band of deluded, though devoted, cultic disciples.

Serious Problems
In this brief review of the Standish brothers’ book, we offer two devastating examples of the hoaxes perpetrated by Ron Wyatt. Actually, the ninety-plus examples, touted by Wyatt and his followers, is a “house of cards” that falls under the weight of its own absurdity! Consider the following two most sensational examples.

Bones and Chariot Wheels
Wyatt claimed to have discovered the exact place where the Israelites crossed the Red Sea on dry ground, before the waters returned and drowned Pharaoh’s forces. He contended that he explored the floor of the Gulf of Aqaba, using scuba gear. Supposedly, he discovered “chariot litter” in the form of wheels, body frames, and the bones of both humans and horses, scattered over a lengthy area.

Several things may be said of this claim (HRR, 184ff). First, the site of the exodus route, as described in Exodus 14:1ff, is highly disputed. The three specific sites mentioned in Moses’ record (v. 2) “have been lost in the sands of time” (Bruckner, 2008, 129). No one knows the precise place of the crossing. Conservative scholarship strongly argues that Israel crossed the Gulf of Suez (Vos, 2003, 104ff), and not the Gulf of Aqaba, as Wyatt contended.

Second, Wyatt claimed that he was using simple recreational scuba equipment when he discovered these wheels, etc., at a depth of some 200 feet in the Gulf. However, ordinary scuba apparatus is designed to accommodate only a depth of approximately 125-130 feet. Beyond this more sophisticated equipment is required.

Third, Pharaoh’s army was said to have been destroyed “in the middle of the sea” (Exodus 14:23) which, according to measurements of the British Admiralty, is almost 2,800 feet deep in the midst of Aqaba. This hardly harmonizes with Wyatt’s 200 feet “discoveries”!

Then there is the issue of the “bones” — of both horses and men — that Wyatt reputedly found. Recall that the destruction of Pharaoh’s army took place about 3,500 years ago. Compare this with the following facts. The Titanic went down in 1912 and 1,553 people were lost in the wreckage. In 1985, 73 years following that Atlantic catastrophe, the submerged vessel was discovered and explored. Specially designed underwater TV and video equipment was employed; in addition, more than 53,000 photos were taken. The remains of not a solitary person — neither skin nor bone — was found. Everything had been completely consumed by fish, crustaceans, and the destructive effect of salt water (HRR, 179ff).

After their extensive investigations, the Standish brothers declared that no chariot wheels, or remains of human or horse bones found in the Gulf of Aqaba, were ever submitted to scientific authorities for examination and testing (HRR, 283-284). In spite of this fact, the Wyatt Museum web site states: “Ron actually retrieved a hub of a wheel which had the remains of 8 spokes radiating outward from it.”

In fact, he claimed to have found wheels with 4, 6, and 8 spokes! One authority suggests that the video tape Wyatt employed to show these underwater “artifacts” appears to be a hoax; he challenged him to subject the items to a C14 dating test — if indeed he ever had an actual sample of anything (Zias, op. cit.).

The Blood of Christ Allegation
The problems associated with Wyatt’s alleged discoveries are astronomical — beyond one’s ability to calculate.

Take, for example, the claim that he located a residue of the dried blood of Christ that had dripped on to the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant, located within a cave associated with Solomon’s original Temple in Jerusalem.

One of Wyatt’s defenders claims samples were taken and returned to Nashville, Tennessee where Wyatt had the “blood” analyzed in a hospital laboratory.

On another occasion, in an interview with Russell Standish, Wyatt claimed that the samples were studied in a laboratory in Jerusalem.

The contradiction is glaring.

Where was the lab? Are there remaining samples, since the claim was made that copious amounts of blood had flowed down? Where are the test records? Can other samples be retrieved? Is there any evidence at all of such a discovery? Why was the evidence never brought forth for critical and scientific examination?

One explanation was that the Israeli authorities did not want the story released because the location of the Ark of the Covenant was very close to one of Islam’s most sacred sites, and the announcement might possibly precipitate a violent conflict between Jewish zealots and Moslems.

At the same time, however, Wyatt was “blabbing” the story of the discovery in Europe, North America, Australia, and New Zealand (HRR, 5, 55, 89), with no apparent censure from the Israeli government! The fact is, Joe Zias of the Israel Antiquities Department (as referenced above) “provided full authority for the public release of the report on Wyatt’s blood samples” (HRR, 90).

Elsewhere Wyatt claimed that an “angel prohibited” him from providing the details of his phenomenal discovery! (HRR, 70, 90, 285). There also were other accounts of “angelic” appearances, and even a claim of seeing Christ (HRR, 127ff).

Incidentally, the reason Wyatt knew he saw Jesus was because the Lord "was dressed exactly as Ellen White..."

REFERENCES
Bruckner, James. 2008. Exodus, Peabody, MA: Hendrickson.
Standish, Russell R. and Colin D. Standish. 1999. Holy Relics or Revelation – Recent Astounding Archaeological Claims Evaluated. Rapidan, VA: Hartland Publications.
Vow, Howard. 2003. Wycliffe Historical Geography of Bible Lands – Revised. Peabody, MA: Hendrickson.
Wyatt Museum – http://www.wyattmuseum.com/red-sea-crossing-05.htm
SCRIPTURE REFERENCES
Exodus 14:1; Exodus 14:23
CITE THIS ARTICLE
Jackson, Wayne. "Ron Wyatt, the "Indiana Jones" of the SDA Church." ChristianCourier.com. Access date: May 29, 2018. https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1511-ron-wyatt-the-indiana-jones-of-the-sda-church"

bahmer

I am finding more and more often that Steve700's ideas and theories not only don't float the boat but in most cases have huge holes in them as well.

Singularity

Steve700

To All:

I do not know about this myself and have not done any further research beyond watching the video. What I do know, is that most of the world hates Christianity, are overly skeptical, will lie, cheat and use deceiving trickery to reject and deny any reality concerning God and the Christian religion. Whether or not this is valid substantiated proof of the reality concerning God and the Christian religion, I don't know, but it is a very minor fraction of the totality of what cannot be denied. Between fulfilled and fulfilling Bible prophecy and the undeniable facts put forth in Rabbi Cohn's book The Harbinger my life has been changed and there is no doubt that God and the divinity of Jesus are real.

To some, little proof is needed to confirm the obvious. To those already living in the arrogant narcissism of self absorbed aggrandizement (like the average liberal), no amount of truth and proof is sufficient. -------- instead of adhering to the ideology and self-serving agenda for an unproven fantasy utopia driven by lies of those who are willing to deliberately create chaos to achieve their goals, you may want to consider joining those who have at least Truth, Honesty and Having Integrity as their primary values.
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Steve700

Please read my post above. To expect that the Israeli government would give confirmation and substantiation to all this is ludicrous. Their pride and expecting the Messiah to be a savior to all Jews (only) as a people , has already kept them from accepting Jesus as their Messiah, in spite of all the proof in fulfilled Bible prophecy. Do you now expect them to to put their pride aside, admit they had been wrong all along, and destroy their time-honored religion and become Christian?

bahmer

Steve I have discussed with singularity on a number of different occasions here on OPP and she has read through her bible more times than you and also myself I might add. She knows what she believes and why. You on the other hand do have a reputation for conspiracy theories and you are of the type that refuse to accept any other definition aside from your own. It is for this reason many on here don't want to discuss with you on anything because you become like a bad penny and we can't get rid of you. Another one that comes to mind is 9-11 and the planes hitting the twin towers and you have your belief because you read something and even when engineers tried to talk some sense into you you refused and became belligerent. I am sorry that I even looked at this thread now realizing it was you who posted this. Now you are giving Christians a bad name.

Steve700

Yeah so called conspiracy theories, that you failed to notice that have been proven to be coming true one after another after another. The problem is you apparently don't understand how our country is being taken over by a shadow government that is part of a worldwide globalist deep state agenda to bring a one world government that promises to end wars and take care of everyone into fruition. (And that can only be done by subversive action of destroying the old to enable the establishment of the new). You're not going to hear the truth on TV news. Not even Fox because they are all corporate globalist owned and not even Fox will tell you everything is happening is for the globalist agenda. Those who really understand and are called profits to can see into the future are a very small minority and are always criticized in scoffed at. But now the reality of what's going on is becoming too obvious, and most of it even admitted to by various globalists. And all this has been predicted in the Bible and is being followed a long, step-by-step, way beyond what you have any conception of, 'cuz you just don't know and don't want to bother to put the time and look into it. You're just a typical Marxist programmed sheeple of today's American culture, knowing what they want you to know and believing what they want you to believe (your mind being molded and your opinions manipulated) --- but you think you know what's going on and what you're talking about.

Singularity

I don't mind giving some aspects of Christianity a bad name, but I truly can't stomach the unproven implication that any scientific evidence, at all, ever, has confirmed a supernatural occurance. In fact, once an occurance or substance can be scientifically observed and measured, it is thus shown to be simply natural, just theretofore not known or understood.

He is similarly giving science a bad name.

Singularity

I started to read it, but it got long and boring so I abandoned it after a word or so.

Low level logicicians/concrete thinkers, as your demonstration of scientific ineptitude and easy gullibility illustrate, are rarely stimulated to change their underwear, much less their opinions.