Richard Rowland

As I recall, Sici, she is unable to run again. Term limit.

The state bureau of investigation, which issues handgun licenses, had opposed the bill, saying it would cost the agency about $4.7 million annually and result in the loss of about 60 full-time positions.

One paraph says it all. Money and jobs. Licencing fees, and jobs for those who do the processing.

Sicilianthing

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Hmm noted

Loki Loc: Georgia

The following states currently have unlicensed concealed carry; Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.
The chart below shows the murder rates of the 50 states. You will notice that six of the states with unlicensed carry have either the lowest or among the lowest murder rates compared to states with much stricter laws. You will also note that Missouri has a very high rate. States that don't require a license have murder rates ranging from the very lowest to the second highest. I will also state that in Alabama, almost every one of it's murders happened in in either Birmingham or Mobile. The rate for the rest of the state is among the lowest in the country.

Rates are calculated per 100,000 population.
State 2016 2014 2010 2005 2000 1996
New Hampshire 1.3 0.9 1.0 1.4 1.8 1.7
Maine 1.5 1.6 1.8 1.4 1.2 2.0
Minnesota 1.8 1.6 1.8 2.2 3.1 3.6
North Dakota 2.0 3.0 1.5 1.1 0.6 2.2
Massachusetts 2.0 2.0 3.3 2.7 2.0 2.6
Vermont 2.2 1.6 1.1 1.3 1.5 1.9
Connecticut 2.2 2.4 3.7 2.9 2.9 4.8
Iowa 2.3 1.9 1.2 1.3 1.6 1.9
Utah 2.4 2.3 1.9 2.3 1.9 3.2
Hawaii 2.5 1.8 1.8 1.9 2.9 3.4
Nebraska 2.6 2.9 3.0 2.5 3.7 2.9
Washington 2.7 2.5 2.3 3.3 3.3 4.6
Rhode Island 2.7 2.4 2.8 3.2 4.3 2.5
Oregon 2.8 2.0 2.5 2.2 2.0 4.0
Idaho 2.9 2.0 1.4 2.4 1.2 3.6
South Dakota 3.1 2.3 2.8 2.3 0.9 1.2
New York 3.2 3.1 4.5 4.5 5.0 7.4
Wyoming 3.4 2.7 1.4 2.7 2.4 3.3
Montana 3.5 3.6 2.5 1.9 1.8 3.9
Colorado 3.7 2.8 2.6 3.7 3.1 4.7
Kansas 3.8 3.1 3.4 3.7 6.3 6.6
Wisconsin 4.0 2.9 2.7 3.5 3.2 4.2
New Jersey 4.2 3.9 4.2 4.8 3.4 4.2
West Virginia 4.4 4.0 3.1 4.4 2.5 3.8
California 4.9 4.4 4.8 6.9 6.1 9.1
Pennsylvania 5.2 4.8 5.1 6.1 4.9 5.7
Texas 5.3 4.4 4.9 6.2 5.9 7.7
Florida 5.4 5.8 5.2 5.0 5.6 7.5
Arizona 5.5 4.7 6.4 7.5 7.0 8.5
Ohio 5.6 4.0 4.2 5.1 3.7 4.8
Virginia 5.8 4.1 4.7 6.1 5.7 7.5
Delaware 5.9 5.8 5.7 4.4 3.2 4.3
Kentucky 5.9 3.6 4.3 4.6 4.8 5.9
Michigan 6.0 5.4 5.9 6.1 6.7 7.5
Oklahoma 6.2 4.5 5.2 5.3 5.3 6.8
Indiana 6.6 5.0 4.1 5.7 5.8 7.2
Georgia 6.6 5.7 5.7 6.2 8.0 9.5
North Carolina 6.7 5.1 5.0 6.7 7.0 8.5
New Mexico 6.7 4.8 6.8 7.4 7.4 11.5
Alaska 7.0 5.6 4.3 4.8 4.3 7.4
Arkansas 7.2 5.6 4.6 6.7 6.3 8.7
Tennessee 7.3 5.7 5.6 7.2 7.2 9.5
South Carolina 7.4 6.4 5.7 7.4 5.8 9.0
Nevada 7.6 6.0 5.8 8.5 6.5 13.7
Maryland 8.0 6.1 7.4 9.9 8.1 11.6
Mississippi 8.0 8.6 6.9 7.3 9.0 11.1
Illinois 8.2 5.3 5.5 6.0 7.2 10
Alabama 8.4 5.7 5.7 8.2 7.4 10.4
Missouri 8.8 6.6 7.0 6.9 6.2 8.1
Louisiana 11.8 10.3 11.0 9.9 12.5 17.5

Sicilianthing

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Wow totally awesome LOKI !

Love stats.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Point being that states with Constitutional Carry have some of the highest and lowest murder rates compared to states with restrictive laws. You will note the states with Constitutional Carry, even the ones with higher murder rates show a consistent, steady decline. People who purchase firearms through an FFL dealer almost never commit crimes with them. IN other words, all this bullshit licensing doesn't make much difference. I support training with firearms always, but not as a condition of purchase. We should go back to gun safety programs taught in schools.

Sicilianthing

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Noted, I’ve been signed onto 50State CC for a while now, I hope it passes.
I’d like to have Open Carry 50State someday too.

Loki Loc: Georgia

When the Second Amendment was ratified, and throughout most of this country's history, firearms regulation has been mostly left to the states. The Founders were smart enough to realize that a law that makes perfect sense in New York might be akin to tits on an alligator in Iowa or Nebraska. My worry about National Reciprocity is that Federal Law will tend to mirror the states that have very restrictive carry laws and impost them on states like the Constitutional Carry states that have lenient laws. Although my state of GA requires a permit, once you have one we have some of the most lenient laws in the country for permit holders. We can carry almost anywhere, including most government buildings.

donald41 Loc: puyallup Wa

Her stand seems reasonable.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Once more, the chart I posted shows that there is little difference in Constitutional Carry states and those with more restrictive laws. Several of the states with the lowest murder rates have permitless carry, and a couple of the states with the highest murder rates do also. You should note that in the states with permitless carry, their murder rates were already high, and have been declining steadily for several years, permitless carry notwithstanding. If it were as dangerous as it's opponents seem to think, doesn't it seem reasonable that the murder rates would be going UP?

Sicilianthing

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Noted and it is somewhat a cunundrum of sorts.

Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, CO

kankune Loc: Iowa

Oh...its a her? I didn't know that. I'm honored as you are America. 😊😊

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

You're a liberal, right Bob?

Mikeyavelli

...enough to turn a good lefty straight.

Mikeyavelli

...I'd like to grab her by the 1911.