EconomistDon

Give it up Fascist Petey, you are logic challenged. You really don't know what you are talking about. So hush up and let the adults talk.

BTW, that ugly mole on your face is a danger to you and anyone who must look at you. So under the new EPA face guideline, your entire face must be removed to be sure of getting rid of the unsightly mole. Please report to your local Gestapo immediately. Oh wait, no, that is the left-wing, fascist approach. Let's stop and consider the pros and cons of removing your face. Maybe the old guidelines should be followed. So what do you think Fascist Petey, should we rush headlong with new, poorly considered face regulations, or hold back and "save face".

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Petey in case you have not figured this out;

Fascism and Communism are both totalitarian systems of government.
That is why striving for those systems under any name, must be reversed.
Globalism has been striving for that for decades
To understand that agenda; Google: “CFR,TC,Bilderberg”

*Council on Foreign Relations CFR & Trilateral Commission TC Background & Quotes*

“An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack" – Richard Gardner ,
Ambassador to Italy - quoted in (CFR)Foreign Affairs, April, 1974
“Actions at the multinational level will be needed, if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion…….” TC Report #23, 1982

Trump is attempting to reverse that trend.
Stand with him.

straightUp Loc: California

OK...


OK, I guess you *did* say you were going to keep it simple, so I guess we'll just ignore all the other factors for now.


I'm *trying* to follow your reasoning here but seriously, how does a business that is NOT downsized or outsourced cause Americans to loose jobs?


OK look, I'm already familiar with the point you are *trying* to make here. You are simply saying that when more taxes are taken out of a worker's paycheck there is less for him to spend. I got that.

But there's a LOT of factors you fail to mention here such as the fact that taxes often cover expenses that the worker would have otherwise had to pay for out of pocket, probably at a much higher cost. For instance, I know for a fact that Americans are forced to pay more for health care than Europeans do because Europeans tend to use taxes and we prefer not to. BTW, Europeans actually get better health care! Cancer treatment is the ONLY exception to that rule and that's because we figured out how to make cancer profitable - a prerequisite for ANY privately-funded health care service.

You also fail to explain how less money in a worker's pocket causes nation-wide job loss, but since I am so familiar with the rhetoric you are trying to dispense here, I'll just make that connection for you... less money in the pockets of workers = less market demand = less jobs to satisfy the demand.

See? I understand these "simple" 5th grade concepts pretty well... They get shoved in my face on a regular basis by people who think they've just discovered the Holy Grail of explanations. But the world doesn't operate on 5th grade concepts. Sorry.

Now, if you're ready for some adult concepts, here's one... the government is in fact *part* of the economy... In fact, every last penny the government takes goes right back into the economy. There is no accumulation of wealth in the government, so whatever money is taken from a worker's paycheck winds up going immediately into the paychecks of other workers. This is why, on a national or state level, it's actually impossible to blame taxes for job loss.

The ONLY way to starve an economy to the point where jobs are lost is to take money OUT of the economy, which means keeping it stashed away instead of spending it. Our constitutional governments don't even have the ability to do this, but private investors can and they do, much to the detriment of the American economy. One of the underlying reasons for the American decline is the dangerously high concentration of wealth accumulated in fewer and fewer hands. There's almost a direct correlation between the concentration of wealth and the misery of the middle-class.

BTW Trump's policies so far heavily favor the continued concentration of wealth. As soon as Obama's economic after-effects wear off, during the course of 2018, you will see a marked change in economic outlook and you're not going to like it... and it will be your fault for electing Trump.


Pure conjecture. You have no proof of ANY relation between ANY of these things.


That's just not true... Lot's of manufacturing jobs are low wage. Ask the person who made your sneakers how much money she was paid for it. The ONLY manufacturing jobs that paid decent wages were the ones that were forced by organized labor and government to pay decent wages.


1. Government subsidy workers, such as police officers, firefighters, military servicemen and teachers will ALWAYS be needed because jobs like these are not profit-driven, so they will always need to be subsidized or they simply won't exist.
2. Skimming is illegal and the last place a corrupt politician would skim from is government revenue. Almost every case of corruption has been a matter of private contributions.

Finally, there is no guarantee that a company will give workers raises just because they pay less tax, especially when they can give that money to the investors to keep the company attractive on Wall Street. We've had almost 40 years to observe this during which time we have seen wages stagnate and wealth concentration sky-rocket, so really, you would have to be incredibly naive to keep believing the biggest con the American people have ever fallen for.

straightUp Loc: California

No, I'm referring to the Democrats that stayed Democrat but wrote Sanders in at the ballot. I thought I made that pretty clear. I don't think ANY of the voters that wrote in Sanders actually switched to the Republican Party - I mean why would they have to do that?

But I get it, you're trying to dig... Yeah, it's true many Democrats DID switch to Republican... Many Republicans switched to Democrat too, but in almost every state, the number of Democrats jumping ship in 2016 did in fact outnumber the Republican defectors by some margin. But that isn't surprising... Democrats have been jumping over to the Republican party in fits and starts throughout the 20th century in response to a gradual shift in political polarity.

A century ago, the Democrat Party was THE party of conservative bigotry while the Republican Party was THE liberal party of freedom and equality. Since then there have been a number of presidential platforms such as LBJ's "Great Society" and Nixon's "Southern Strategy" that have made the Democratic Party less bigoted and the Republican Party more bigoted and each time this happens we see more bigoted Democrats realigning themselves with the more bigoted Republican Party.

Trump has done as much as he can to welcome bigotry without actually admitting to it, so it's really no surprise that he would be one of the Republican leaders to coax more bigots out of the Democratic Party.

The Democrats are fine with this because while bigotry has been siphoning their more deplorable voters to the Republican Party, the increased ratio of college graduates have been replenishing the Democratic base with educated voters. So I'm not going to complain ;)


Well, for the most part, third party voters didn't choose Hillary, but they didn't choose Trump either. If you remember the point I made, it's that Trump didn't win out of popularity. He won because the Democratic base was so scattered that even his anemic 24% vote (which was STILL smaller than what Hillary got by 3 million votes) was JUST enough to squeak by with the help of the Electoral College.

At least he didn't have to blow the Supreme Court to steal the election like Bush did.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

It took a miracle and the HildaBeast's help to save the Republic.
God is still on our side.

EconomistDon

Hey straight, here is an adult concept. Not every last penny the government takes in goes right back into the economy. Millions go into the pockets of greedy politicians. And, far too much of what's left is WASTED. There is a truism -- if you want to pay twice as much for a job and have it done only half as well, let the Government do it. The government has no incentive to do a job cheaper or better. They are just milking the system.



Sneakers are not made in the US. We would have to ask that question of people in Taiwan or China. And yes, they are paid 25 cents on the dollar compaired with American workers. And about those jobs that were "forced" by organized labor to pay fat wages -- they are also in other countries, mostly Japan. American factories were forced out of business by foreign factories that paid far lower wages. American-made goods could not compete -- just ask Wal-Mart. Organized labor helped destroy middle-class jobs.

EconomistDon

Don't you get tired of pushing that lie? There was NEVER a shift in bigotry. Democrats are the party that defended slavery, supported Dred Scott, fought citizenship for Blacks, fought voting rights for Blacks, enacted Jim Crow Laws, formed the KKK, fought the Republican sponsored Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964, split off into the hateful Dixiecrats in the 1950s, defunded (Obama) federal-funded training for Blacks on Welfare, and knocked race relations back a half century to the rioting, looting, and burning of the 1960s (Obama). Democrats shout bigotry and racism at Trump and conservatives -- they need to look in the mirror.

And let's talk about those youth joining the Democrat Party. There is a saying - If you are young and not a liberal, you don't have a heart; if you are older and not a conservative, you don't have a brain. Since you may be a little slow on the uptake, I will explain. Young people think with their heart, while older people think with their brain. These young-uns will come around. Only the less intelligent and the lazy ones (on the dole) will remain Democrats.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

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BigMike Loc: yerington nv

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