Homestead

You didn't read the article, did you?

You're a pretty heartless guy to make light of what happened.

It really doesn't matter how many people die, as long as their story doesn't contradict your predrawn conclusions.


SAD: Dying Teen’s Final Wish Exposes PURE EVIL of Socialized Medicine
Laura was diagnosed with Leukemia when she was just 13 years old. She had been fighting the cancer for five years when she finally succumbed to the illness.

However, Laura didn’t need to die. Doctors applied for Laura to undergo an operation that would save her life. One of the top-doctors in Canada offered to perform a live-saving stem-cell transfer.

The doctor told Laura that there were over 30 bone-marrow matches and that she would be able to live, once the country approved her operation – but they never did.

For seven months Laura was forced to undergo aggressive chemo therapy while sitting on a wait list. She eventually died despite having a willing surgeon and many matches – because the socialized system did not allocate enough money for the procedure.

Laura made a vow to prevent any other Canadian from suffering the same fate as her. And she made a video in her dying breath to call for help. Now, Laura’s mother is taking on the teens dying wish, to fight for a better healthcare system.

Thousands of Canadians die each year while on wait lists, and the time spent on a wait list has recently doubled from six months to twelve. To accommodate the lack of resources the government has been paying for patients to receive treatment in America.

The problem of long waits is occurring all across Canada for essential and non-essential surgeries. Socialized medicine has completely failed in Canada. Service has diminished as once-friendly doctors are overburdened by government imposed quotas, and rage inducing wait lists.
http://www.teaparty.org/sad-dying-teens-final-wish-exposes-pure-evil-socialized-medicine-234009/


You see, she didn't need to leave Canada. Everything was put in place to save her. All Canada had to do was say "Go."

Their own Canadian doctor volunteered to do it.
The other option was for Canada to pay American health care medical facilities to handle what Canada couldn't.

So the failed Canadian Health care system works, only if it is subsidized by the American system that does work. But, what happens when idiots like you turn America into Canada?

But, she and her parents listened to people like you that said everything was going to be OK. Just believe in government, do as the government says and everything will be all-right.

So as she waited to get permission to take care of herself...........................She died!

Not because Canada said no, but, because Canada never said OK and never told her that it wouldn't say OK, so she waited......................................


Now if she'd listen to people like me, I'd of told her to get the hell out of there and go to the United States of America where a person has a right to take care of themselves, without the governments permission, but, they'd have to do it quick, because people like you are trying to take that right away from everyone.

And they'd better be quiet about it, because if Canada thought that her getting cured in America would show up the Canadian health care system as a fraud and much less than it claimed to be, Canada might then pull a "UK-Charlie Gard " on them and not let them leave, not for forever, just till she died, so they could say, oops, Oh well, it wouldn't have helped anyway.

Who would question them............................You?

Not hardly.

bahmer

That is that good old single payer healthcare that Buffalo is so happy about right?

buffalo Loc: Texas

I read your damn article. YOU did not read any of the article I cited. For every sad story you can dredge up blaming the Canadian health CARE system there are 10 sad stories that happen right here under the US system. Most of which are stories of needed health CARE foregone due to lack of ability to pay for them. Or, horror stories of patients being over treated in our for profit system for money.

Why is there a bigger percentage (86.2%) of Canadians satisfied with their Medicare for All system than Americans (53%) are with the piecemeal for profit system in the US. With more than 8 in 10 Canadians supporting public solutions to make public health care stronger, there is compelling evidence that Canadians across all demographics would prefer a public over a for-profit health care system.

The average tax rate on Canadians is 33.3% and in the US it’s 30.4%. But they have full universal coverage, and don’t pay nearly as much out of pocket as we do for healthcare. If you add up your out-of-pocket expenses, co-pays, deductibles, and premiums, you’d see you pay much more than your Canadian counterpart who has comprehensive coverage for life, regardless of employment or marital status. And Canada has better outcomes in leading indicators like life expectancy and infant mortality.

You need to stop believing the lies, myths and propaganda of the private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations who fear losing their $600 BILLION gravy train.

Homestead

What's driving up America's health care are the things you don't deal with and have no clue about.

Socialized medicine would only cast those problems in concrete and from there they'd expand into infinity.

Number one:
A private entity, the American Medical Association, (AMA) controls how many doctors licenses that are awarded every year. In 2012, they only issued twelve new Dr. licenses, nation wide, and that did not cover the number of doctors that retired that year.
They deliberately keep the number of doctors available, below the level of need as a way to keep the doctors salaries above what they should be. Any time there's a shortage of anything, what happens to prices?
They say that that's to protect the investment of their members, because their education is so expensive and they have to pay off that debt.
They don't say a word about the doctors who also paid for their education and did their intern-ship, but, are denied the right to get their doctors licenses. So how do they pay off their debt?

Number Two:
The secret to Capitalism is competition. Adam Smith talked about the invisible hand of competition...NOT the invisible hand of profit!
In our Constitution we have a commerce clause that was designed to not let states withhold commerce from other states. Yet every state has forbidden insurance policies from being sold across state lines. Thereby holding every state's citizens as a captive consumer in their own state.


Commerce Clause, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution

The Commerce Clause refers to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes.”

The Constitution enumerates certain powers for the federal government. The Tenth Amendment provides that any powers that are not delegated to Congress by the Constitution are reserved for the states. Congress has often used the Commerce Clause to justify exercising legislative power over the activities of states and their citizens, leading to significant and ongoing controversy regarding the balance of power between the federal government and the states.

The Commerce Clause has historically been viewed as both a grant of congressional authority and as a restriction on the regulatory authority of the States. The “dormant” Commerce Clause refers to the prohibition, implicit in the Commerce Clause, against states passing legislation that discriminates against or excessively burdens interstate commerce. Of particular importance here, is the prevention of protectionist state policies that favor state citizens or businesses at the expense of non-citizens conducting business within that state. In West Lynn Creamery, for example, the Supreme Court found that a Massachusetts state tax on milk products, in conjunction with a subsidy program for in-state dairy farmers, functionally violated the dormant commerce clause as it impeded interstate commercial activity by discriminating against non-Massachusetts citizens.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/commerce_clause


And last, but not least, Companies and corporations are using are patent laws in a complete opposite manner in which they were designed.
The purpose of the patent laws was to increase the availability of products to the public, while protecting the inventors.

So what has big pharma done?
They invent a medicine and put it on the market. This medicine saves lives. Then what?
They claim that they spent too much on research and have too charge thousands of dollars for one pill.
People can't afford it, so the company takes it off the market.

People start dying, the company refuses to make it, profit margins aren’t high enough.

Yet they refuse to release the formula to another company that is willing to make it with the lower profit margin, while paying a royalty to the original company so they can recoup their losses.

So the company claims that it can't afford to make some money on it's investment, but, can afford to eat the entire cost of their very costly research. How is that? How is it that you can afford to lose everything, but, can't afford to get it back, however slowly.

Isn't it better to get something, rather than nothing?

But, that doesn't happen, does it. No! What happens is that they convince the government to subsidize their costly research.

So the companies get rewarded for extravagance, because the more money they waste, the more subsidizing they'll get. Why would they change?

Your socialized medicine does not address any of the reasons that our health care is getting out of control.

It actually embraces and casts them in stone, forever perpetrating the ills forever.
As costs and profits sky-rocket, people will be denied what they need.

Why do you think that all socialized medicine have death panels in one form or another. They don't call them death panels, but, their functions are always the same.

If the panels are always going to say yes, then why do you need them.

You wouldn't!

You create these panels so that you can say, no!

The only thing left is the excuses you use, which is the other purpose of the death panels.

buffalo Loc: Texas

If the secret to capitalism is competition then why does a CT scan in the US cost an average of $896 and in Canada the average is $97 when the US has 3 times more CT scanners? The same with MRIs.

Why does my Dad's Pradaxa cost $369/month here in the US and he can get a 90 day supply out of Canada for $209 including shipping?

The same with all medical costs. Why are they so much cheaper in Canada than in the US if there is a so-called shortage of everything in Canada? So much for competition.

What you need to do is stop addressing the health CARE dilemma in the US as if it were a health INSURANCE problem.

Health CARE and health INSURANCE are NOT the same thing.

Homestead

You don't listen worth a crap....Do you?

First off a private entity is deliberately creating a shortfall of doctors, for the expressed purpose of keeping their salaries much higher than they would be otherwise.

Doctors don't compete for patients, because there aren’t enough doctors. Add more doctors and they would have to compete with each other.

This kind of control is socialist, NOT, Capitalist.

Each state won't allow insurance policies to be bought across state lines. Thereby stopping any competition from across the country. Every citizen is a captive audience of their state, subject to the mercy of the few insurance companies in their state and insurance companies generally have no mercy. But the citizen, by law, cannot seek relief from any other insurance company outside their state. Even if they find a better one.
This allows insurance companies to make much more profit than they would have and a percentage of that profit is used to fund political campaigns, to elect those people that will carry out the insurance companies demands and protect their interests.

This collaboration between government and special interest is a function of socialism, NOT Capitalism!

Big Parma is another monster that works with government protecting the outrageous prices they charge.

An example is when people figured out that they could by cheaper drugs across the border in both Mexico and Canada, there was no law against it.

This caused American Pharma a problem, as they can't charge outrageous prices if the average American citizen has a cheaper source of supply.

So the government claimed that Canadian drugs were inferior to American drugs and for safety reasons outlawed buying and bringing in foreign drugs across the border, even for your own personal use.

So Canadian health care is superior to America health care, but, Canadian drugs, which their own people use, is so inferior to American drugs and the American people, that they have to be outlawed.

This is socialism, Not Capitalism!

US eases its restrictions on prescription drugs from Canada
The US government has eased restrictions on its citizens importing prescribed drugs from outside the country, after intensive lobbying by patients' groups demanding access to lower cost prescription drugs from Canada.

Although it is still illegal generally to import drugs from Canada or any other country into the United States, US consumers who buy small quantities of prescription drugs in person, through the internet or by mail order, for their personal use will no longer have to worry about their drugs being seized at the border.
http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7573/824.4

As to the MRI's, why don't you look up how many of those machines Canada has.

Then look up the number of those machines that are in the United Sates.

If you only have a few machines, then you don't have that much to pay off. But, since you only have a few machines, there will be long lines and wait periods to use them.

On the other hand, if you have a lot of machines, then that's a lot to have to pay for, but, there won't be as many people waiting to use them and the wait periods will be much shorter.

And while your at it, notice that the number of machines and hospitals were ordered and paid for during the time America was still mostly Capitalist.

As the country goes socialist, those kinds of perks and options will fall away.

That's what the death panels are for!

To decide who gets to stand in line and who gets to go home and take the pills till they're gone.

bahmer

Amen and Amen

buffalo Loc: Texas

What your calling socialism, I call corporate/government collusion. Why do you insist on thinking that allowing health INSURANCE corporations to sell health INSURANCE across state lines will make health CARE any cheaper. Health CARe and health INSURANCE are not the same thing.

Again just more corporate/government collusion.

Big PHARMA, need I say more? Not more socialism, more corporate/government collusion.

Your explanation of why Canadian CT scans and MRI are cheaper with fewer machines than the more expensive US with many more machines defies logic.

If the machines are paid for then why the exorbitant prices?

As to death panels... as long as health CARE is viewed as a product to be bought and sold, instead of a human right, even the most well-intentioned reformers will someday soon have to come to grips with health CARE rationing, if not by wealth then by some other criteria.

Homestead

You describe socialism, then call it something else. It's still socialism and carries all the ills of it.

Capitalism requires a limited government and a limited government can't collude with big business, it isn't big enough to choose winners and losers..

Under capitalism the individual has a right to make their own contract with whom they choose to do so.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Then you must have voted for bitch clinton, eh?


Hillary: I lost because I'm a Capitalist!

At the Shared Value Leadership Summit, Clinton was asked if being a capitalist hurt her chancesat winning the election, noting that she was specifically asked during a debate if she is a capitalist.

“Probably,” Clinton said with a smirk. “You know, it’s hard to know but if you’re in the Iowa caucuses and 41 percent of Democrats are socialist — or self-described socialists — and I’m asked ‘are you a capitalist?’ and I say, ‘yes but with appropriate regulation and appropriate accountability,’ that probably gets lost in the ‘Oh my gosh she’s a capitalist!'”

This is why she had to rig the DNC — her Democrat Socialist competition, Bernie Sanders was much more popular with voters than she was.

http://youtu.be/lhl3JJXYWdE

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And you believe her?

Just what about Hillary is Capitalistic?

Bernie was popular with the Democrats, because Hillary was such a piss poor candidate.
They only had two choices.

Never-the-less, it's the businessman that won over both of them!

buffalo Loc: Texas

No, I don't believe her. What I do believe is that you wouldn't know a socialist or a capitalist if either one puked on you.

What currently exists and has for decades now in DC is neither capitalism nor socialism. What exists is a corporate/government collusion where big corporations with their money and lobbyist have bought and control DC politicians to legislate for their benefit. Continual, illegal, unConstitutional, immoral warmongering to benefit the military industrial corporations and their Wall Street banksters, Medicare Part D's gift of non negotiable drug prices to big Pharma, The ACA's gift of the mandate to private, for profit health INSURANCE and big Pharma, trumpy's tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations. That is neither capitalism nor socialism, it is corporate/government collusion at the average taxpayer expense and BOTH parities are guilty!

Homestead

Yes, what exists is an undermining and ignoring of our Constitution.

The solution is not, to continue to undermine and ignore the Constitution.

Corporate/Government collusion = Socialism!

Would a rose by any other name still smell as sweet?