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What's a greater leap of faith God or the Multiverse?
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Apr 25, 2018 18:53:59   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
4430 wrote:
If it turns out there is no God the creator all those that followed that God have only tried to live the life he gave us as close as possible in Christ will be dead and that's it !

However if God is alive and well all his followers will receive eternal life in heaven that God has prepared for them !

Now in the event it turns out that there the God creator all these that mock him are going to as you say final surprise will face the true and living God and will hear depart from me into eternal hell where the worm dies not where there will be the gnashing of teeth in the eternal lake of fire but it will be too late to change their minds !

God gives us all a choice and which one we choose will determined where we will spend all of eternity
If it turns out there is no God the creator all th... (show quote)


Amen !!

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Apr 25, 2018 20:50:05   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
PeterS wrote:
If god knows all my choices before I am even created why does free will even matter? As for my undoing, better that then to waste the only life I will ever have worshiping a non existent entity.


Free will really matters a lot as he wants his followers to follow him by their own choice he doesn't make anyone do anything .

If they don't want to follow him then he is ok with it as he knows all the foolishness coming from mankind and he knows the total out come .

You're free to mock and laugh at him and you will receive the consequences of that free will choice you have made .

I think the reason Atheists are so anti-God is the fact they do not want to live by the moral laws he has put in place !

All I can say Pet is sometime in the future you WILL die as we all will and then you will Believe in the God you love to mock and it will not be good thru out all eternity of torment !

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Apr 26, 2018 09:09:56   #
bahmer
 
4430 wrote:
Free will really matters a lot as he wants his followers to follow him by their own choice he doesn't make anyone do anything .

If they don't want to follow him then he is ok with it as he knows all the foolishness coming from mankind and he knows the total out come .

You're free to mock and laugh at him and you will receive the consequences of that free will choice you have made .

I think the reason Atheists are so anti-God is the fact they do not want to live by the moral laws he has put in place !

All I can say Pet is sometime in the future you WILL die as we all will and then you will Believe in the God you love to mock and it will not be good thru out all eternity of torment !
Free will really matters a lot as he wants his fol... (show quote)


Spot on.

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Apr 26, 2018 12:19:01   #
JimMe
 
PeterS wrote:
Again, labels are how we define the world around us. If you think they mean nothing I don't know what to tell you. And if you believe the world is square then you are believing in a lie and to teach those beliefs is to make those you teach liars. As for my children we taught both to think rationally but never discussed religious beliefs one way or another. My son is working on being an atheist and may arrive there one day and my daughter is agnostic...okay?





PeterS... If you define the world around you thru labels, you're using book titles to evaluate what a novel is about without reading it... And teaching that approach to life to others is a ridiculous...

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Apr 27, 2018 08:30:53   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
JimMe wrote:
...I also believe that my Atheism is My Belief System... That I can, and do, allow every one of we humans to believe whatever we feel is correct... But also, that we humans must allow others to disagree with our beliefs and still live together civilly...

There were times in Jewish history when they believed whatever they "felt was correct" and see where it got them?

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Apr 27, 2018 08:35:26   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
kemmer wrote:
But there is far more evidence indicating that evolution happened (is happening) than there is for creationism.

If the second law of thermodynamics states that the universe is becoming less orderly and evolution requires that things become more orderly, how can evolution be true?

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