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Apr 23, 2018 09:21:56   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Thanks Blade. Made me choke on my coffee. To funny. Pete with an open mind, or heart for that matter. Too funny. Do trolls even have a heart?
Blade_Runner wrote:
Kind of like the Jews chose the ovens, right? Figured you'd deflect responsibility away from your democrat Big Daddy. Party before country, eh Pete? Get a different book to read. I have some recommendations that, if you took them seriously with an open mind and loving heart, would get you out of the spiritual cess pool you live in. Then you could shuck the chains of your precious government masters.

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Apr 23, 2018 09:23:30   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Then why do you get so bent out of shape when the cops tell a perp (especially a black one) to comply and because he won't ends up getting himself shot, armed or not?
Kevyn wrote:
They murdered federal agents who were serving a warrant and should have and could have surrendered at any time up until the end.

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Apr 23, 2018 09:29:20   #
PeterS
 
buffalo wrote:
They chose to burn? This was entirely government overreach and democide. For those ignorant of the facts.


The Waco Massacre


Note regarding links: Much of the Waco information once available on the web has "disappeared" and many of the links on this page have expired (a few are marked as such) or no longer lead to the original page. An expired link at least shows that the page once existed. Some pages which no longer exist on the web can still be recovered by entering the URL (right mouse click on the link to get the URL) into the Wayback Machine.

This page censored at Wikipedia And as an amusing exercise in provoking censorship try adding a link to this page from Wikipedia's Waco Siege page and see how long it takes to be deleted.

Many people believe that David Koresh (or the Branch Davidians) were responsible for the deaths of the 74 men, women and children who died in the inferno at Waco on April 19, 1993. This is the story that the FBI put out. It is a lie. The guns they had were legal. The local sheriff investigated and found no basis for complaints against them. These were law-abiding American citizens, even if they thought differently to most other folks. They trusted the U.S. Constitution to ensure their political rights, but they were murdered by agents acting under the authority of the U.S. government. Read this page if you believe otherwise. If you still have doubts, get the video Rules of Engagement for visual evidence. Or read the book Armageddon in Waco. Or see the film Waco: A New Revelation.

Waco occurred under the presidency of Bill Clinton, with Janet Reno and Wesley Clark in supporting roles. Already back in 1993 the US government demonstrated its contempt for the American people by carrying out a massacre in order to "demonstrate" (on prime time TV) its supposed "authority" (a tactic favored by fascist governments). Following the usurpation of the presidency in 2000 by the psychopath George W. Bush, and the subsequent installation of the insane John Ashcroft as Bush's Himmler, things became much worse. On 9/11 about forty times as many people were murdered as at Waco. In both cases the murderers have so far gone unpunished.

Few Americans realize that on February 28, 1993 when BATF agents in National Guard helicopters zoomed in on the Branch Davidians' church and home, Mount Carmel Center, they did so with guns blazing, like Americans raiding a Vietnamese village in that far off war. ... It is likely FBI agents deliberately sabotaged negotiations with Davidians to prevent their exiting Mount Carmel. Their goal was to destroy the building and its damaging evidence, even if that meant the massacre of dozens of men, women and children, all witnesses to the brutal attack. — Carol Moore: Overview of Davidian Massacre
After the February raid by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) of David Koresh's dissident religious community at Waco, Texas, the FBI and the U.S. Army took over, mounting a 51-day siege. This included such psy-war tactics as sleep deprivation of the inhabitants of the community by means of all-night broadcasts of recordings of the screams of rabbits being slaughtered.

Finally, despite David Koresh's pledge to surrender upon completion of his written explanation of the meaning of the Seven Seals, the FBI and the Army attacked. At dawn on April 19, 1993, and throughout the morning, tanks rammed holes in the main building and pumped (in the FBI's words) "massive amounts" of CS gas into the building, despite knowing that inside were more than a dozen children. The tanks demolished parts of the compound and created tunnels for the wind to blow through. The buildings at this point were saturated with inflammable CS gas and spilled kerosene.

Around midday two U.S. military pyrotechnic devices were fired into the main building, igniting a fire which (because of the holes in the walls allowing the wind to gust through) spread rapidly through the complex of buildings and became an inferno. 74 men, women and children died — including twelve children younger than five years of age. Fire trucks were prevented by the FBI from approaching the inferno. After the compound had burned down the BATF flag was hoisted aloft to signify 'victory'. Subsequently the burned-out ruin was razed in an attempt to remove all evidence of this premeditated murder of innocent civilians by agents of the U.S. government. Thus occured an atrocity which many Americans believe could never happen in their country. A look at the evidence presented in the film Waco: Rules of Engagement (and in the BBC documentary broadcast in the U.K. on November 28, 1998) shows that it did happen.

The lawyer for one of the survivors said at one of the U.S. government 'investigations' (or rather, whitewashes): In this country when people are accused of a crime they are arrested and given a trial — that's 'due process'. If found guilty of murder then maybe they are killed. We don't just kill them first — which is what happened at Waco.

http://www.serendipity.li/waco.html
They chose to burn? This was entirely government ... (show quote)


I'm not defending anything the government did. My only point is that if they didn't want to die all they had to do was come out. The truth is they wanted to die with their Messiah and they did. And just why am I suppose to believe this article and not one that says the Dividians started the fire themselves?

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Apr 23, 2018 09:30:40   #
PeterS
 
JFlorio wrote:
Thanks Blade. Made me choke on my coffee. To funny. Pete with an open mind, or heart for that matter. Too funny. Do trolls even have a heart?


Yeah, I can tell you are all tore up over the parents who allowed their children to burn up. Glad you are getting a chuckle over it.

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Apr 23, 2018 09:33:02   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
PeterS wrote:
ATF? I thought the FBI took over and if the intent was to kill everyone why did they let 9 people escape the flames....


You are a bloody piece of work. What is it PeterS with you and Kevyn? NOTHING a liberal administration does merits examination let alone criticism. Yeah, a few objects of Stalin's purges may have lived, too. Should they have been thankful? After all, they were spared by a progressive.

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Apr 23, 2018 09:33:13   #
PeterS
 
JFlorio wrote:
Then why do you get so bent out of shape when the cops tell a perp (especially a black one) to comply and because he won't ends up getting himself shot, armed or not?

Yeah, I know, we shouldn't have a problem with unarmed people being murdered by the police but hey, color us hypocrites...

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Apr 23, 2018 09:34:02   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Nice spin........again. I'm getting a chuckle out of you supposedly using your mind. You're so programmed you put Russian "bots" to shame.
PeterS wrote:
Yeah, I can tell you are all tore up over the parents who allowed their children to burn up. Glad you are getting a chuckle over it.

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Apr 23, 2018 09:35:56   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
I'm not defending anything the government did. My only point is that if they didn't want to die all they had to do was come out. The truth is they wanted to die with their Messiah and they did. And just why am I suppose to believe this article and not one that says the Dividians started the fire themselves?


McLennon County Sheriff Harwell knew Koresh well (drank coffee with him). All the feds would have had to do is get Sheriff Harwell to tell Koresh to get his ass out there and talk of them.

BTW the feds had no probable cause to even be there. All the guns in the Davidians possession were LEGAL! It was all based on a phony report by a pissed off UPS driver.

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Apr 23, 2018 09:39:25   #
PeterS
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
You are a bloody piece of work. What is it PeterS with you and Kevyn? NOTHING a liberal administration does merits examination let alone criticism. Yeah, a few objects of Stalin's purges may have lived, too. Should they have been thankful? After all, they were spared by a progressive.

I'm a piece of work? I don't have a need to sit here and lie about what happened in Waco. The ATF had no business raiding the compound but that's no reason to choose to burn to death along with your kids. Now if you guys have proof that they were killing them as they ran out of the compound then lets see it. If not that just goes to show what POS you people really are. Why don't you find another daycare center to blow up. That'll sure teach the government won't it...

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Apr 23, 2018 09:40:58   #
PeterS
 
JFlorio wrote:
Nice spin........again. I'm getting a chuckle out of you supposedly using your mind. You're so programmed you put Russian "bots" to shame.

At least I have a mind to use J. I would chuckle at you but you're just sad...

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Apr 23, 2018 09:42:28   #
PeterS
 
buffalo wrote:
McLennon County Sheriff Harwell knew Koresh well (drank coffee with him). All the feds would have had to do is get Sheriff Harwell to tell Koresh to get his ass out there and talk of them.

BTW the feds had no probable cause to even be there. All the guns in the Davidians possession were LEGAL! It was all based on a phony report by a pissed off UPS driver.

What part of I'm not defending what the government did don't you get? That doesn't give people an excuse to burn their children alive...

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Apr 23, 2018 09:46:22   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I'll stay sad, you stay clueless. By the way the government is culpable in those deaths. The biggest perpetrator was Korash period and the idiots that followed him.
PeterS wrote:
At least I have a mind to use J. I would chuckle at you but you're just sad...

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Apr 23, 2018 10:27:53   #
Kevyn
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
A long time before that Sport, Koresh was going into town and walking around out in the open. He could have been accosted, interviewed and even apprehended long before that horrible fiery cataclysm. It was completely unnecessary and then only reason the go ahead was given was to teach re


The only reason you're defending it is because it happened under Democratic administration, until that time, the most radical in American history. People like you Kevyn probably celebrated internally. You felt, then, as you, little doubt, still do today, that they got what they deserved. How dare anyone resist the mandates of progressives, right Kevyn?


Your views would have been much different had they been Antifas. As it was, a number of them were black but we'll never hear you progressives discuss that.
A long time before that Sport, Koresh was going in... (show quote)

Children never deserve to be burned to death by their religious zealot parents and a psychopath cult leader. The mistake the government made was failing to remove the children from this cult early on.

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Apr 23, 2018 11:12:15   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
PeterS wrote:
I'm a piece of work? I don't have a need to sit here and lie about what happened in Waco. The ATF had no business raiding the compound but that's no reason to choose to burn to death along with your kids. Now if you guys have proof that they were killing them as they ran out of the compound then lets see it. If not that just goes to show what POS you people really are. Why don't you find another daycare center to blow up. That'll sure teach the government won't it...


So what did you do? Celebrate?

There was NO justification for anyone from the government being there. It was just like Ruby Ridge - to teach everyone a lesson.

And they were killed as they tried to exit.

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Apr 23, 2018 11:30:05   #
Sicilianthing
 
PeterS wrote:
Hey, they chose to burn. In my book I call that suicide. The only murder was by the parents who wouldn't let their children go. It's times like this I wish there was a hell because they certainly deserve to go there...


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You are truly misled Peter... wtf is wrong with you?

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