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Apr 28, 2018 01:07:59   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nickolai wrote:
Sorry Blade you need to get your self a library card and read up on your history not high school history text books that used to teach Euro centered History designed to turn out patriotic citizens willing to go off to a foreign country and die to make the world safe for US capitalist imperialism. The US has been fighting some one for over 75 years and not one service person has died on American soil fighting to protect our so called freedoms since 1814 and since the end of WW-ll the US has been responsible for the deaths of six million third world people and if one takes in account of wars by proxy of third world right wing dictators propped up by the US that slaughtered their on people on behalf of US interests in such countries as Guatemala , Nicaragua, San Salvador, Chile, Indonesia, Laos, Vietnam, Angola, Albania, Argentina, Brazil, China-- Chiang Kai-Shek, Cuba, Ghana, Greece, Haiti, Honduras, Iran, Israel, Iraq Korea, Libya, Mexico, Myanmar, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Panama, The Philippines, Syria, Uruguay, Yugoslavia, Zaire. The US School Of The Americas in Fort Benning Georgia trained Latin American terrorists in bomb killing and assassinations in their home countries of South America . The Spanish American war was waged to drive Spain out of the Western Hemisphere in order that wall street and US corporations could control the region with no competition and we took Puerto Rico Dominican Republic Cuba Guam and the Philippines, Counting proxy wars on the behalf of the US between 15 to 20 million third world people have died since WW-ll. Yes Russia and China have killed more of their own people than that but we are not Russia or China
Sorry Blade you need to get your self a library ca... (show quote)
I've been a serious student of history since I was 16, both in and out of school all the way up to post graduate studies. I've probably seen the inside of more libraries than you have of Starbuck's.

My question to you is, if America is such a horrible country, why are you still here?

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Apr 28, 2018 01:10:03   #
Nickolai
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"My vote for Trump was a vote against the "next Hitler", fascist Hitlery." - Nuclearian

Yep!!!!
This is what Trump voters voted against;


Fascism&Communism are both Totalitarian
The International Banker’s NWO Agenda must be exposed
To see their agenda - Google: “CFR,TC,Bilderberg group”

*Council on Foreign Relations CFR & Trilateral Commission TC Background & Quotes*

“An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack" – Richard Gardner ,
Ambassador to Italy - quoted in (CFR)Foreign Affairs, April, 1974

“Actions at the multinational level will be needed, if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion…….” TC Report #23, 1982

The Banksters control both parties by installing vetted CFR members
CFR members are very tightly affiliated with the U.S. government. Since 1940, every U.S. secretary of state (except for Gov. James Byrnes of South Carolina, the sole exception) has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and/or its younger brother, the Trilateral Commission. Also since 1940, every secretary of war and every secretary of defense has been a CFR member. During most of its existence, the Central Intelligence Agency has been headed by CFR members. Virtually every key U.S. national security and foreign policy adviser has been a CFR member for the past seventy years.
Zbigniew Brzezinski formed Trilateral Commission for David Rockefeller in 1973, and Jimmy Carter was made a founding member. Jimmy Carter became President,
& ZB was installed as Carter's National Security Adviser. (ZB is also advisor to Obama)

ZB - Referring to the rivalry between the USSR and the United States – “The eventual outcome of the competition is however, foreordained, given the inherent superiority of the communist system “ 'Between Two Ages' (1970 - ps.146,147) by ZB
"My vote for Trump was a vote against the &qu... (show quote)






Fascist and Communist are both totalitarian but other that that they are incongruous Communism is a socioeconomic system that stands for a class less society or state and no religion. Fascism believes in nationalism (includes economic nationalism), corporatism (includes economic planning), militarism and totalitarianism (dictatorship and social interventionism). The merger of government big business, backed and supported by big religion

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Apr 28, 2018 01:24:38   #
Nickolai
 
Loki wrote:
The Indians aligned with the Brits who likewise sold them out.
We "stole" California from the Mexicans? Ever think about how Mexico obtained it in the first place? They stole it from Spain who stole it from the Indians who stole it from the original Indians.
Mexicans started the practice of paying bounties on scalps. Rather, the Spanish did, before Mexico was stolen from them by Mexicans. The Mexicans continued the practice which was adopted eventually by some elements of the US.
The Indians aligned with the Brits who likewise so... (show quote)




Of course but America is supposed to be exceptional. Isn't that the mantra of the Right but when one examines history we see that White America has been every bit as expansionary and imperialist as our European fore fathers The difference is US imperialism doesn't operate like European Clolonialist invading third world countries and taking control of the government and running the country.. We do it by overthrowing countries and we have done it both overtly and covertly for over 100 years then propping up a right wing dictator to run their country according to the dictates of US economic interests.

Read
Overthrow: America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq, In addition to Iran, Guatemala, Congo, Dominican Republic, South Vietnam, Brazil and Chile the U.S. also had a hand overthrowing the governments of Hawaii in 1893, Cuba in 1898, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, Grenada, Afghanistan, and of course Iraq.

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Apr 28, 2018 01:38:30   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Nickolai wrote:
Only an idiot could consider my posting idiocy with a severe inability to comprehend. I'll pose the question to you. Please can you provide me with a list of accomplishments that Conservatives have contributed to the advancement of civilization and improved the lives of ordinary human beings not just the few at the top. The Renaissance, The Reformation, The Enlightenment. The Age of Reason, the right to vote by landless peasant's ,women , and factory workers , anti trust laws, Urban sanitation. child labor laws, the right to form unions for the purpose of bargaining collectively, the 8 hr work day ,the week end, Social Security , FDIC, FHA, food safety, un employment ins. workers comp, consumer protection from predatory lending, and much more are all ideas and accomplishments of progressive minded men. Can you provide me with any thing comparable contributed by conservatives ????
Only an idiot could consider my posting idiocy wi... (show quote)
Yeah, I'm well aware of how disastrous liberal progressivism has proven to be.

Ever hear of Confucius, Cato the Elder, John Locke, Edmund Burke, Alexis de Tocqueville, Goethe, Alexander Hamilton, Irving Babbitt, Whittaker Chambers, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, Russell Kirk, Barry Goldwater, Norman Podhoretz, Ronald Reagan, William F. Buckley Jr., Thomas Sowell, Ben Shapiro? Short list of the greatest conservative thinkers in history.

If you are capable of honest, objective study of conservativism's contributions to mankind, these would be the place to start.

Or maybe you would prefer Whitewashing the Democratic Party’s History

Or, The Racist History of the Democratic Party

Or, 20th Century Liberalism's Philosophies are False

Or, 'Flint Town': Chronicles Liberalism’s Tragic Disasters

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Apr 28, 2018 03:29:51   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Nickolai wrote:
Progressive minded men gave us the Constitution. The conservative slave states wanted to be governed by the Articles of Confederation with strong State sovereignty and a weak central government but the central government could not raise revenue to raise an army and navy so the a few compromises were struck such as the second amendment that allowed the slave states to have militias for control of the slaves catching run away slaves and put down rebellions an so the Constitution was written because of the persistence of the progressives so what else do you have with regard to contribution's to civilization . The reason the world fell into the dark ages is due to the fact that After the fall of Rome, there was no central government governing the formerly united Roman Territories, especially Spain, Gual (France) and England and Italy. The country was plummeted into chaos. Simply put, imagine if every government agency, police, schools, trade, military, government, in the United States were all of a sudden gone, there were no laws, what would happen? The Poor, would fall victim to the wealthy who could pay for mercenaries to defend themselves, eventually the poor would align themselves with wealthy landowners in return for protection from other people, this is known as feudalism.

Out of the wealthiest families, the strongest in each of the territories began to rule over the less powerful lords, giving us the new monarchs, who also fought each other for the best land. Italy remained un united, cut into small regions and city-states under the protection of powerful cities like Venice, Naples and Florence. During the chaos, communication was drisrupted, local dialects began and the unified language gave way to English, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese weakening learning. Furthermore, the wars pulled much of the nation's resources to battles, and less people were avalible to study and learn or keep up the learning that had taken place during the ancient periods of time. A good way to remember this is if you are being attacked you need soldiers, then you need farmers to make food for the soldiers, then you need miners for metals, horse keepers for horses, blacksmiths, and finally if you still have leftover people you can have education. Europeans were never able to fund institutions of education because of the demand for warfare. In other words civilization went backward there was little progress for a period of about 500 years of ignorance and superstitution
Progressive minded men gave us the Constitution. ... (show quote)


One more chapter in Nicolai's Book of Things I Know That Just Aren't So. That is one of the most parochial, biased and incomplete synopses I have ever read. Your "understanding" of history is simplistic and false.

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Apr 28, 2018 03:33:07   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Nickolai wrote:
Of course but America is supposed to be exceptional. Isn't that the mantra of the Right but when one examines history we see that White America has been every bit as expansionary and imperialist as our European fore fathers The difference is US imperialism doesn't operate like European Clolonialist invading third world countries and taking control of the government and running the country.. We do it by overthrowing countries and we have done it both overtly and covertly for over 100 years then propping up a right wing dictator to run their country according to the dictates of US economic interests.

Read
Overthrow: America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq, In addition to Iran, Guatemala, Congo, Dominican Republic, South Vietnam, Brazil and Chile the U.S. also had a hand overthrowing the governments of Hawaii in 1893, Cuba in 1898, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, Grenada, Afghanistan, and of course Iraq.
Of course but America is supposed to be exceptiona... (show quote)


In other words, the US has behaved much like a superpower. We are at the top of the food chain. Deal with it. Perhaps you would prefer one of those more egalitarian countries for which you have so much sympathy.

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Apr 28, 2018 07:51:55   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, I'm well aware of how disastrous liberal progressivism has proven to be.

Ever hear of Confucius, Cato the Elder, John Locke, Edmund Burke, Alexis de Tocqueville, Goethe, Alexander Hamilton, Irving Babbitt, Whittaker Chambers, Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises, Russell Kirk, Barry Goldwater, Norman Podhoretz, Ronald Reagan, William F. Buckley Jr., Thomas Sowell, Ben Shapiro? Short list of the greatest conservative thinkers in history.

If you are capable of honest, objective study of conservativism's contributions to mankind, these would be the place to start.

Or maybe you would prefer Whitewashing the Democratic Party’s History

Or, The Racist History of the Democratic Party

Or, 20th Century Liberalism's Philosophies are False

Or, 'Flint Town': Chronicles Liberalism’s Tragic Disasters
Yeah, I'm well aware of how disastrous liberal pro... (show quote)


That should cover it pretty well, Blade.
I just have a problem with NeoCons like William Buckley.

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Apr 28, 2018 07:54:40   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Loki wrote:
One more chapter in Nicolai's Book of Things I Know That Just Aren't So. That is one of the most parochial, biased and incomplete synopses I have ever read. Your "understanding" of history is simplistic and false.


I am curious as to from who and where Nickolai got his education?

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Apr 28, 2018 10:23:50   #
1ProudAmerican
 
Nickolai wrote:
Hillary has been called a communist and now a fascist she cannot be both the two are incongruous. If I were to put her in a category it would be opportunist


No, it would be treasonous felon !!!!

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Apr 28, 2018 10:34:37   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
No, it would be treasonous felon !!!!


Nickolai wrote:
"Hillary has been called a communist and now a fascist she cannot be both the two are incongruous. If I were to put her in a category it would be opportunist."

"No, it would be treasonous felon !!!!" - 1ProudAmerican

A good description, but it is important to know who Hillary, her husband and other politicians shill for.


Hillary Clinton Frankly Reveals the CFR Is Running the USA ...
http://youtu.be/LYq3TaBik64

Cheney on CFR, Council on Foreign Relations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOAk-7F1EVU

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Apr 28, 2018 10:54:05   #
1ProudAmerican
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Nickolai wrote:
"Hillary has been called a communist and now a fascist she cannot be both the two are incongruous. If I were to put her in a category it would be opportunist."

"No, it would be treasonous felon !!!!" - 1ProudAmerican

A good description, but it is important to know who Hillary, her husband and other politicians shill for.


Hillary Clinton Frankly Reveals the CFR Is Running the USA ...
http://youtu.be/LYq3TaBik64

Cheney on CFR, Council on Foreign Relations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOAk-7F1EVU
Nickolai wrote: br "Hillary has been called a... (show quote)


Yeah, but that list is so long, even if they start now, we'll all be dead by the time they get to the end...

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Apr 28, 2018 11:19:33   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Nickolai wrote:
Progressive minded men gave us the Constitution. The conservative slave states wanted to be governed by the Articles of Confederation with strong State sovereignty and a weak central government but the central government could not raise revenue to raise an army and navy so the a few compromises were struck such as the second amendment that allowed the slave states to have militias for control of the slaves catching run away slaves and put down rebellions an so the Constitution was written because of the persistence of the progressives so what else do you have with regard to contribution's to civilization . The reason the world fell into the dark ages is due to the fact that After the fall of Rome, there was no central government governing the formerly united Roman Territories, especially Spain, Gual (France) and England and Italy. The country was plummeted into chaos. Simply put, imagine if every government agency, police, schools, trade, military, government, in the United States were all of a sudden gone, there were no laws, what would happen? The Poor, would fall victim to the wealthy who could pay for mercenaries to defend themselves, eventually the poor would align themselves with wealthy landowners in return for protection from other people, this is known as feudalism.

Out of the wealthiest families, the strongest in each of the territories began to rule over the less powerful lords, giving us the new monarchs, who also fought each other for the best land. Italy remained un united, cut into small regions and city-states under the protection of powerful cities like Venice, Naples and Florence. During the chaos, communication was drisrupted, local dialects began and the unified language gave way to English, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese weakening learning. Furthermore, the wars pulled much of the nation's resources to battles, and less people were avalible to study and learn or keep up the learning that had taken place during the ancient periods of time. A good way to remember this is if you are being attacked you need soldiers, then you need farmers to make food for the soldiers, then you need miners for metals, horse keepers for horses, blacksmiths, and finally if you still have leftover people you can have education. Europeans were never able to fund institutions of education because of the demand for warfare. In other words civilization went backward there was little progress for a period of about 500 years of ignorance and superstitution
Progressive minded men gave us the Constitution. ... (show quote)


You're handlers are filling you with pure poppycock and hyperbole!

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Apr 28, 2018 16:40:10   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Nickolai wrote:
Fascist and Communist are both totalitarian but other that that they are incongruous Communism is a socioeconomic system that stands for a class less society or state and no religion. Fascism believes in nationalism (includes economic nationalism), corporatism (includes economic planning), militarism and totalitarianism (dictatorship and social interventionism). The merger of government big business, backed and supported by big religion


Atheist Zionists use both. They are the stewards of One World globalism. It is all about total control. They use both political parties.
*Council on Foreign Relations CFR & Trilateral Commission TC Background & Quotes*

“An end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old fashioned frontal attack" – Richard Gardner ,
Ambassador to Italy - quoted in (CFR)Foreign Affairs, April, 1974

“Actions at the multinational level will be needed, if the process of international relocation of industries is to be accelerated in an organized fashion…….” TC Report #23, 1982

The Banksters control both parties by installing vetted CFR members
CFR members are very tightly affiliated with the U.S. government. Since 1940, every U.S. secretary of state (except for Gov. James Byrnes of South Carolina, the sole exception) has been a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and/or its younger brother, the Trilateral Commission. Also since 1940, every secretary of war and every secretary of defense has been a CFR member. During most of its existence, the Central Intelligence Agency has been headed by CFR members. Virtually every key U.S. national security and foreign policy adviser has been a CFR member for the past seventy years.
Zbigniew Brzezinski formed Trilateral Commission for David Rockefeller in 1973, and Jimmy Carter was made a founding member. Jimmy Carter became President,
& ZB was installed as Carter's National Security Adviser. (ZB is also advisor to Obama)

ZB - Referring to the rivalry between the USSR and the United States – “The eventual outcome of the competition is however, foreordained, given the inherent superiority of the communist system “ 'Between Two Ages' (1970 - ps.146,147) by ZB

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