Should people who were in prison be able to vote???
Apr 20, 2018 10:03:02 #
[quote=Steve700]Here is a paragraph on each of the question you bring up.
Yes, Obama was brought up as a Muslim and spent his formative years studying Islam in the Islamic county of Jakarta, Indonesia. His mother was also a Muslim and there is proof of it in a YouTube video where you can see and hear him state that his mother was a Muslim. Is supposed and father, as well as his mother, were both non-devout Muslims and Communists and so was both his mother's parents. In Islamic theology having a Muslim father also automatically makes you a Muslim. He joined Jeremiah Wright's church only for political expediency and he liked that anti-American, anti-Western values propaganda of Jeremiah Wright that is the same anti-Western -- anti-American propaganda the Muslims us, Obama's paperwork which I can show you copies of, state that he is an Indonesian citizen and his religion is Islam.. Obama never had a friend for an associate that wasn't a Muslim, a communist or Gay. He has made scores of statements praising Islam and many disparaging Christianity. I can show you long lists of both upon request , as I have proof for everything I am telling you. You will also notice that his mother saw fit to give him the middle name of Hussein. Now just why do you suppose that she would do that if they wern't both Muslims ????
It is quite obvious that what happened in Ben Ghazi --- that it was all quite deliberate because it's almost certain that the plan which the Obama administration was a part of, was to kidnap Amb. Stevens in order to make a big hero out of Obama just before the 2nd presidential election by Obama getting our ambassador back by releasing the Blind Shake. How I surmise this is that several days before the attack on our consulate, it was on the news that the Muslims were clamoring to have the blind Shake released. At the time, I thought that was peculiar that they should have that on the news since I didn't consider it newsworthy, since Muslims have always wanted to blind Shake released. After the attack they never again said another word about it. And of course Obama had refused multiple requests for more security from Amb. Stevens in the several months preceding the attack. That was a 13 hour attack when they could have had many many soldiers there within an hour or two. The ones who actually did go, some Army Rangers who were already in the area, were told to stand down and they defied those orders and went anyway. Why else would they be told to stand down ??? WhyThe ambassador wound up being killed as he was being led away from the compound, probably because of the extra chaos created by the Rangers entering in to the situation where the jihadies could not so easily just carry him away. Both Obama and Hillary refused to tell anybody what they were doing at the time or why they did not respond to the situation. [u][My theory on this makes everything make total sense where nothing else does[/u]. And if you think Obama isn't devious enough to do something like that, you're very naïve.
Besides the fact that common sense should tell you that a trickle-down effect on economics will work, you can read many articles about it, but don't expect to be getting the truth from any left wing publications. Obviously, if you help corporations they expand and hire more people and can more easily afford to give better wages and more benefits. Truth, honesty and integrity are prime values for the right. NOT SO FOR THE LEFT. The only thing that matters to the left is the acquisition of power and at any cost and by any means. So why would you put any credence in their propaganda designed to slander and destroy the opposition.
And yes Obama was born in Kenya. His own Kenyon grandmother started spouting off about how she was there at the hospital when he was born and soon after that she joined Obama's Deadpool list of suspicious deaths. And so did Loretta Fuddy, friend of Obama's mother and fellow Sabud cult member who was magically appointed to head the Hawaii Department of Health from where Hawaiian birth certificates are issued. The private plane she was in mysteriously ditched into the ocean, killing her, on a between the islands trip within a month of issuing that birth certificate. That birth certificate was studied by experts and found to be a composite fraud. The Hawaiian hospital it named had the name changed and was not the name on the certificate as it wasin the year Barack was born. Also Obama's nationality was listed is African but in that year of his birth, black people were still being called Negro. There is no doubt that that certificate is fraudulent, but judges have refused to hear the case. Surely they don't want to wind up like Obama's grandmother, 3 of Obama's gay lovers from Jeremiah Wright's church, Loretta Fuddy, Joan Rivers and so many others, including Supreme Court Justice Scolia, whose corner wouldn't even come out to the location, but just handled it over the phone because he didn't want to be involved either. That case is especially obvious from numerous factors that it was an assassination by the Obama administration. Are you capable of understanding that things against the left, just don't get prosecuted, regardless of how obvious they are because the deep state shadow government is what runs everything and has more power than even the president. (example below)
Yeah, I get the drift all right. That You Don't know Shit, only what you've heard or read from your left-wing dispensers of Marxist/globalist propaganda. But do you get the drift?, -- that is, are you capable of learning any thing??? And if you don't believe me, are you willing to do your own research. Hell No, 'Cuz. You don't really want the truth ----- DO YOU ??????????, But only to substantiate your misguided preconceived left-wing notions. ('cuz truth and integrity mean nothing to a lefty)[/quote]
"This is the real reason for all the frantic fanatical Trump hatred -- not because he's incompetent, done anything criminal or unethical, but because they don't want the gravy train stopped and to wind up in prison"
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'Should people who were in prison be able to vote???'
How about those that have escaped from going to prison so far?
Yes, Obama was brought up as a Muslim and spent his formative years studying Islam in the Islamic county of Jakarta, Indonesia. His mother was also a Muslim and there is proof of it in a YouTube video where you can see and hear him state that his mother was a Muslim. Is supposed and father, as well as his mother, were both non-devout Muslims and Communists and so was both his mother's parents. In Islamic theology having a Muslim father also automatically makes you a Muslim. He joined Jeremiah Wright's church only for political expediency and he liked that anti-American, anti-Western values propaganda of Jeremiah Wright that is the same anti-Western -- anti-American propaganda the Muslims us, Obama's paperwork which I can show you copies of, state that he is an Indonesian citizen and his religion is Islam.. Obama never had a friend for an associate that wasn't a Muslim, a communist or Gay. He has made scores of statements praising Islam and many disparaging Christianity. I can show you long lists of both upon request , as I have proof for everything I am telling you. You will also notice that his mother saw fit to give him the middle name of Hussein. Now just why do you suppose that she would do that if they wern't both Muslims ????
It is quite obvious that what happened in Ben Ghazi --- that it was all quite deliberate because it's almost certain that the plan which the Obama administration was a part of, was to kidnap Amb. Stevens in order to make a big hero out of Obama just before the 2nd presidential election by Obama getting our ambassador back by releasing the Blind Shake. How I surmise this is that several days before the attack on our consulate, it was on the news that the Muslims were clamoring to have the blind Shake released. At the time, I thought that was peculiar that they should have that on the news since I didn't consider it newsworthy, since Muslims have always wanted to blind Shake released. After the attack they never again said another word about it. And of course Obama had refused multiple requests for more security from Amb. Stevens in the several months preceding the attack. That was a 13 hour attack when they could have had many many soldiers there within an hour or two. The ones who actually did go, some Army Rangers who were already in the area, were told to stand down and they defied those orders and went anyway. Why else would they be told to stand down ??? WhyThe ambassador wound up being killed as he was being led away from the compound, probably because of the extra chaos created by the Rangers entering in to the situation where the jihadies could not so easily just carry him away. Both Obama and Hillary refused to tell anybody what they were doing at the time or why they did not respond to the situation. [u][My theory on this makes everything make total sense where nothing else does[/u]. And if you think Obama isn't devious enough to do something like that, you're very naïve.
Besides the fact that common sense should tell you that a trickle-down effect on economics will work, you can read many articles about it, but don't expect to be getting the truth from any left wing publications. Obviously, if you help corporations they expand and hire more people and can more easily afford to give better wages and more benefits. Truth, honesty and integrity are prime values for the right. NOT SO FOR THE LEFT. The only thing that matters to the left is the acquisition of power and at any cost and by any means. So why would you put any credence in their propaganda designed to slander and destroy the opposition.
And yes Obama was born in Kenya. His own Kenyon grandmother started spouting off about how she was there at the hospital when he was born and soon after that she joined Obama's Deadpool list of suspicious deaths. And so did Loretta Fuddy, friend of Obama's mother and fellow Sabud cult member who was magically appointed to head the Hawaii Department of Health from where Hawaiian birth certificates are issued. The private plane she was in mysteriously ditched into the ocean, killing her, on a between the islands trip within a month of issuing that birth certificate. That birth certificate was studied by experts and found to be a composite fraud. The Hawaiian hospital it named had the name changed and was not the name on the certificate as it wasin the year Barack was born. Also Obama's nationality was listed is African but in that year of his birth, black people were still being called Negro. There is no doubt that that certificate is fraudulent, but judges have refused to hear the case. Surely they don't want to wind up like Obama's grandmother, 3 of Obama's gay lovers from Jeremiah Wright's church, Loretta Fuddy, Joan Rivers and so many others, including Supreme Court Justice Scolia, whose corner wouldn't even come out to the location, but just handled it over the phone because he didn't want to be involved either. That case is especially obvious from numerous factors that it was an assassination by the Obama administration. Are you capable of understanding that things against the left, just don't get prosecuted, regardless of how obvious they are because the deep state shadow government is what runs everything and has more power than even the president. (example below)
Yeah, I get the drift all right. That You Don't know Shit, only what you've heard or read from your left-wing dispensers of Marxist/globalist propaganda. But do you get the drift?, -- that is, are you capable of learning any thing??? And if you don't believe me, are you willing to do your own research. Hell No, 'Cuz. You don't really want the truth ----- DO YOU ??????????, But only to substantiate your misguided preconceived left-wing notions. ('cuz truth and integrity mean nothing to a lefty)[/quote]
"This is the real reason for all the frantic fanatical Trump hatred -- not because he's incompetent, done anything criminal or unethical, but because they don't want the gravy train stopped and to wind up in prison"
http://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/upload/2018/4/19/859995-001abc6.jpg
http://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/upload/2018/4/19/859724-001abc5.jpg
'Should people who were in prison be able to vote???'
How about those that have escaped from going to prison so far?
Apr 20, 2018 10:58:37 #
JW wrote:
If their crimes can be completely undone, ie. bring murder victims back to life, repay all costs of the crime... then yes, otherwise only if Hell freezes over.
Good response!
Apr 20, 2018 11:48:52 #
proud republican wrote:
What do you guys think???
No, no, felons should not be given the chance to vote. We know who the criminals are in the political system and we saw them in operation in 2016 and they are the democrat party why in hell would we want more of that voting and destroying what little is left.
Apr 20, 2018 11:53:19 #
JW wrote:
Commit a felony and lose all rights of citizenship. It may seem unfair but it is equally unfair for the victims of crime. So, in answer to your question, yes, you gave up your right to vote when you elected to commit the offences that sent you to prison.
If you care, you can still campaign for your choices, raise your voice for them and deliver their flyers, door to door if you wish.
If you care, you can still campaign for your choices, raise your voice for them and deliver their flyers, door to door if you wish.
That isn't Constitutional.
I paid dearly for my crime with 2 years, 7 months and 10 days out of my life and lost everything I had. Plus I did 3 years of parole.
Why do you feel it necessary to punish a person for life...especially since it isn't Constitutional?
Doesn't that fall under "cruel and unusual" punishment?
If I'm to be stripped of my Constitutional rights then I guess I'm no longer a citizen but a permanent sub-class.
Is that what you want...a criminal sub-class with no hope of redemption and therefore no reason to be loyal to the nation or its people?
That doesn't seem very well thought out at all.
Apr 20, 2018 11:55:57 #
proud republican wrote:
Depends on why you went to prison and how long ago it was.....
Conspiracy to manufacture a controlled substance...2000.
Frankly, they charged me with conspiracy because it's easier to prove than manufacturing and carries the same penalty.
Apr 20, 2018 12:14:12 #
BigMike wrote:
Conspiracy to manufacture a controlled substance...2000.
Frankly, they charged me with conspiracy because it's easier to prove than manufacturing and carries the same penalty.
Frankly, they charged me with conspiracy because it's easier to prove than manufacturing and carries the same penalty.
How can we differentiate between the ones that truly reform their lives and those who come out worse than when they went in? Is there any kind of litmus test to prove a person reformed themselves and are now stand up people in society? I see your side as well as the side that is afraid of these individuals and I don't have any sure fire ways of differentiating between the good and the bad. But then we have no way of doing it in society as it is now so I guess that we can't really complain one way or the other.
Apr 20, 2018 12:42:36 #
lpnmajor wrote:
The Constitution does not provide an avenue where ... (show quote)
A better question; why should criminals receive better treatment than their victims?
A woman raped is sentenced to a lifetime of consequences; a person murdered has all rights abrogated; a victim of a mugging must live with that experience forever after; a burglarized house is never a safe home again; the consequences of selling illicit drugs can't begin to be quantified. Every one of those crimes is a direct result of the criminal placing his, or her, desires above the rights of fellow citizens.
Apr 20, 2018 12:44:44 #
BigMike wrote:
That isn't Constitutional. br br I paid dearly f... (show quote)
I'll refer you to my response immediately above. As for a permanent criminal underclass, we already have, and always will have that. We all choose our own paths for our own reasons and those choices leave their marks.
Apr 20, 2018 13:05:22 #
BigMike wrote:
That isn't Constitutional. br br I paid dearly f... (show quote)
You were stripped of two rights, The right to vote and keep and bear arms. You have already proved by your actions that the populace in general will be safer if you don't have weapons. The punishment you received includes loss of those rights and this is the covenant we all live with. I would be treated no differently if I had committed whatever crime got you into jail. The choice to become a criminal was yours and what the rest of us wanted is that there be no individuals with criminal propensities.
I have lost bicycles, cars, lawn mowers, jewelry, and a rare coin collection to the actions of criminals. Is it well thought out that none of my property was recovered nor were the perpetrators caught and that I incurred a significant monetary loss? Am I justified in thinking I am a subclass because criminals are restored to whatever condition they had before the crime but I will never be able to reacquire some of the property which has grown legs?
Apr 20, 2018 13:23:24 #
bahmer wrote:
How can we differentiate between the ones that tru... (show quote)
Stick with the Constitution and you don't have to make such decision and beside, as I said, the felon's you don't want voting aren't going to do it anyway...that would require them to present themselves to the authorities.
Apr 20, 2018 13:24:46 #
JW wrote:
I'll refer you to my response immediately above. As for a permanent criminal underclass, we already have, and always will have that. We all choose our own paths for our own reasons and those choices leave their marks.
Do you want people who would ordinarily be your ally to be part of that sub-class unnecessarily?
What is Constitutional about your position?
Apr 20, 2018 13:26:37 #
pafret wrote:
You were stripped of two rights, The right to vote... (show quote)
No...I can vote and I do. I voted for Trump in the last election. I fought for my right to vote and got it back. Would you take it from me?
My offense was a state offense not a federal one.
Apr 20, 2018 13:32:42 #
BigMike wrote:
Do you want people who would ordinarily be your ally to be part of that sub-class unnecessarily?
What is Constitutional about your position?
What is Constitutional about your position?
I don't want anyone to be a member of the criminal underclass. I'm afraid my wishes are subordinate to their life choices.
The Constitution only applies to citizens in good standing and contrary to common belief, it conveys no rights. It imposes limits on the reach of government.
Apr 20, 2018 13:47:34 #
Steve700 wrote:
Only productive members of society (or independent... (show quote)
Steve700: Spot on! Those who complete restitution and probation should have an avenue to pursue the ability to vote! But there must be a due process to receive your voting rights back! Most democrats should never be able to vote.....They have their heads in the sand instead of the Constitution!
Apr 20, 2018 13:48:42 #
woodguru wrote:
I would so love a test to determine political ignorance, let's see...
Obama was a Muslim, True or False
Hillary killed four people in Benghazi, True or False
Trickle down economics have been proved over and over, True or False
Obama was born in a) Kenya B) Hawaii C) California D) None of the above
You get the drift
Obama was a Muslim, True or False
Hillary killed four people in Benghazi, True or False
Trickle down economics have been proved over and over, True or False
Obama was born in a) Kenya B) Hawaii C) California D) None of the above
You get the drift
woodie: I get you're stupidity!!!
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