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Apr 15, 2018 19:15:58   #
moldyoldy
 
old marine wrote:
There is such thing as an "anchor baby" a child born in America is not automatic an American it is determined by the nationality of the parents.

Children born in America to representatives of foreign countries are not American citizens but are citizens of their parents home.

A good example of this is Senator John McCain. He wss born in Panama to American parents that served in the military but he was an American because his parents were.

Anchor babies is a term the Demon-crat started to try to give legitimate citizenship to illegal aliens babies born in America.



God bless America
Semper Fi
There is such thing as an "anchor baby" ... (show quote)


It has been the law since 1868.

Birthright citizenship in the United States is acquired by virtue of the circumstances of birth. It contrasts with citizenship acquired in other ways, for example by naturalization. Birthright citizenship may be conferred by jus soli or jus sanguinis. Under United States law, U.S. citizenship is automatically granted to any person born within and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. This includes the territories of Puerto Rico, the Marianas (Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands), and the U.S. Virgin Islands, and also applies to children born elsewhere in the world to U.S. citizens (with certain exceptions).[1][2]
The aspect of birthright citizenship conferred by jus soli (Latin: right of the soil) is regarded as controversial by some U.S. political figures, particularly those associated with right-wing populism, due to its application to the native-born offspring of illegal immigrants.[3] The policy stems from the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The 1868 text states, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States

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Apr 15, 2018 19:40:58   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
moldyoldy wrote:
It has been the law since 1868.

Birthright citizenship in the United States is acquired by virtue of the circumstances of birth. It contrasts with citizenship acquired in other ways, for example by naturalization. Birthright citizenship may be conferred by jus soli or jus sanguinis. Under United States law, U.S. citizenship is automatically granted to any person born within and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. This includes the territories of Puerto Rico, the Marianas (Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands), and the U.S. Virgin Islands, and also applies to children born elsewhere in the world to U.S. citizens (with certain exceptions).[1][2]
The aspect of birthright citizenship conferred by jus soli (Latin: right of the soil) is regarded as controversial by some U.S. political figures, particularly those associated with right-wing populism, due to its application to the native-born offspring of illegal immigrants.[3] The policy stems from the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The 1868 text states, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States
It has been the law since 1868. br br Birthright ... (show quote)




The Constitution does seem to be crystal clear on this issue.

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Apr 15, 2018 21:32:59   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Voter fraud is a right wing myth that they use for voter suppression laws.

So, providing a valid picture ID is voter suppression? That's odd, because the people you claim are being "suppressed" are mostly recipients of governmental aid programs which require exactly the same kind of ID you claim is suppressive. Of course, there is no question about fraud in food stamps and welfare. Clean up voter ID and you get a threefer.

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Apr 15, 2018 21:39:17   #
moldyoldy
 
Loki wrote:
So, providing a valid picture ID is voter suppression? That's odd, because the people you claim are being "suppressed" are mostly recipients of governmental aid programs which require exactly the same kind of ID you claim is suppressive. Of course, there is no question about fraud in food stamps and welfare. Clean up voter ID and you get a threefer.


You are right there in the middle of suppression country, where they ask for a specific type of ID, then make it almost impossible for minorities to get it. The DMV is only open on the fifth Thursday of the month in a county three counties away.

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Apr 15, 2018 21:50:29   #
woodguru
 
Loki wrote:
But in 2020, those Gen X ers will practically be millenials, and vote like all of us old farts. (Or flatulent elder citizens, as I prefer.)


Wishful thinking, delusion, they are atheists and will never vote like today's old folks. When Old white republicans die they have no replacements

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Apr 15, 2018 21:51:23   #
woodguru
 
Loki wrote:
So, providing a valid picture ID is voter suppression? That's odd, because the people you claim are being "suppressed" are mostly recipients of governmental aid programs which require exactly the same kind of ID you claim is suppressive. Of course, there is no question about fraud in food stamps and welfare. Clean up voter ID and you get a threefer.


It is when you make it hard to get that ID

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Apr 15, 2018 21:55:20   #
woodguru
 
old marine wrote:
Great post and very true.

The idea of having voters certified as mentally fit to vote would disqualify half of the Demon-crat voters.


God bless America

Semper Fi


I would welcome a political fitness standard, bring it. The right would fail every question. Obama was a Muslim True or False.

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Apr 15, 2018 21:59:58   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
moldyoldy wrote:
You are right there in the middle of suppression country, where they ask for a specific type of ID, then make it almost impossible for minorities to get it. The DMV is only open on the fifth Thursday of the month in a county three counties away.

That's odd; last time I looked it was open five days a week in the same county. You must be thinking of Minnesota or Wisconsin or one of those other Canadian provinces.

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Apr 15, 2018 22:32:12   #
moldyoldy
 
Loki wrote:
That's odd; last time I looked it was open five days a week in the same county. You must be thinking of Minnesota or Wisconsin or one of those other Canadian provinces.


https://thinkprogress.org/after-alabama-enforces-voter-id-shuts-down-dmvs-in-black-communities-lawmaker-wants-investigation-94de2c4a5dd9/

https://shadowproof.com/2011/07/25/wisconsin-walker-shuts-down-dmv-offices-in-democratic-areas-after-passing-voter-id-law/

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/10/voter-suppression-wisconsin-election-2016/


https://newsone.com/3201895/alabama-dmv-closings-limiting-access-to-photo-id-affects-ballot-voter-id-laws/

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Apr 16, 2018 07:19:34   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Loki wrote:
So, providing a valid picture ID is voter suppression? That's odd, because the people you claim are being "suppressed" are mostly recipients of governmental aid programs which require exactly the same kind of ID you claim is suppressive. Of course, there is no question about fraud in food stamps and welfare. Clean up voter ID and you get a threefer.



The Demon-crat have always fought against any kind of voter's I'D because it would loose all their tombstone and illegal aliens as voters.

With the present technology that the FIB used today to identified criminals it only takes a few minutes to identify a person by their finger print.

Just about everyone in America has their fingerprints on file. So why not use the same technology for voting. With a few changes in the computer program a voter could only vote once. The second time or their fingerprints were not on file and they tried to vote it would reject the vote and the pole watchers would be notified and that pqerson would be arrested for voter fraud.

But the Demon-crat would fight to the death to avoid this being used.



God bless America
Semper Fi

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Apr 16, 2018 14:17:46   #
king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.
 
Dr. Evil wrote:
Hope they can find their way to the polls between stops at the drug dealers and welfare office.


Ain't that the damn truth

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Apr 21, 2018 09:50:56   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Voter fraud is a right wing myth that they use for voter suppression laws.


Bull hockey. It has been going on for year's inn the Demon-cats party. After the First Obuimber election I was Woking so I set my VHS recorder to tape the election results. Some black guy was br!going he voted 87 Times for Obummwr. This was quickly removed but inept the copy I had for a long time.

Semper Fi
God bless America and President Trump

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Apr 21, 2018 10:17:17   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
moldyoldy wrote:
It has been the law since 1868.

Birthright citizenship in the United States is acquired by virtue of the circumstances of birth. It contrasts with citizenship acquired in other ways, for example by naturalization. Brirthright citizenship may be conferred by jus soli or jus sanguinis. Under United States law, U.S. citizenship is automatically granted to any person born within and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. This includes the territories of Puerto Rico, the Marianas (Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands), and the U.S. Virgin Islands, and also applies to children born elsewhere in the world to U.S. citizens (with certain exceptions).[1][2]
The aspect of birthright citizenship conferred by jus soli (Latin: right of the soil) is regarded as controversial by some U.S. political figures, particularly those associated with right-wing populism, due to its application to the native-born offspring of illegal immigrants.[3] The policy stems from the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. The 1868 text states, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_citizenship_in_the_United_States
It has been the law since 1868. br br Birthright ... (show quote)


This law was to bestow citizenship to the former freed slaves.

If has nothing to do with illegal aliens born on American soil their parents nationality determines the child's nationality.

Don't be fooled by the Demon-crat


Semper Fi
God bless America and President Trump

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Apr 21, 2018 11:07:27   #
moldyoldy
 
old marine wrote:
This law was to bestow citizenship to the former freed slaves.

If has nothing to do with illegal aliens born on American soil their parents nationality determines the child's nationality.

Don't be fooled by the Demon-crat


Semper Fi
God bless America and President Trump


You mean the laws do not apply to everybody equally?

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Apr 21, 2018 13:05:31   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
old marine wrote:
This law was to bestow citizenship to the former freed slaves.

If has nothing to do with illegal aliens born on American soil their parents nationality determines the child's nationality.

Don't be fooled by the Demon-crat


Semper Fi
God bless America and President Trump

Moldy is wrong. In Elk v Wilkins 1884. the SCOTUS ruled that John Elk was not a US citizen in spite of being born on US soil, because NEITHER of his parents were citizens. The ruling stated that he was NOT a citizen by virtue of being born on US soil. You will note that this decision was rendered AFTER the ratification of the 14th Amendment. The rationale was that foreigners are not "subject to the jurisdiction." The court also ruled in US v Wong Kim Ark 1898 that Wong Kim Ark was a citizen because while his parents were not citizens, they WERE permanent legal residents of this country, NOT someone here illegally or on a temporary visa.
"Birthright Citizenship" for the children of illegal aliens or temporary residents is a legal fiction.

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