Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

It is time for the NRA to begin saving lives over profit!

https://crooksandliars.com/2018/03/fox-news-poll-shows-widespread-support-gun

Liberty Tree

First, Fox News Polls are only valid in your eyes when you think they agree with you. The rest of the time you think they are just right wing propaganda. Second, no definition is given about whet each of these questions really mean. Third, each will only stop law abiding people. THe criminal, evil mind will still find a way.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

You are dumb as a rock aren't you, can't you read???????????

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/25/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-measures-doubt-congress-will-act.html

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Thank God we are a Republic and not a true democracy. Settled Law. We can always win in the courts if the gun grabbers try to get cute.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

This weeks’s gun control argument in a nutshell: because government failed at every level, you need to have your rights curtailed…..by the government that just failed at every level.

The Gun Background Check system is woefully inadequate, underfunded, lacking in up-to-date or accurate state-reported felony and mental illness data, and doesn't address the core root problem of criminals getting guns via illegal trafficking or straw man purchases.
1. NICS, the background check system, is not fully funded:
During the Obama administration, Congress has failed to provide the necessary funding for NICS. Despite Congress passing the NICS Improvement Amendments Act in 2007, many states have made little or no progress reporting felony and mental illness data to NICS. This is largely because Congress has not fully funded NICS or provided correct incentives for states to do so. Congress actually appropriated just 5.3% of the total authorized amount in fiscal years 2009, 2010, and 2011.
2. Many states do not report data to NICS:
Many states do not report, or grossly under-report, felony and mental health information to NICS. In fact, 19 states have provided fewer than 100 records of individuals disqualified on mental health grounds since the implementation of NICS in the early 1990s. For instance, Maryland has only submitted 58 mental health records to the NICS database since 1999. Failing to report this data has allowed several mentally ill people to commit mass shooting murders, such as the shooters at both Arizona and Aurora, Colorado.
3. The Justice Department doesn't prosecute background check fraud:
The Obama administration's Justice Department is also not strongly enforcing prosecutions of people who falsify information on their gun background checks. The FBI reported 71,000 instances of people lying on their background checks to buy guns in 2009, but the Justice Department prosecuted a mere 77 cases, or a fraction of 1%.
4. NICS doesn't address illegal gun trafficking:
Advocating universal background checks may leave the uninformed with the impression that this measure would solve the issue of criminals obtaining guns; it doesn't. According to a 2001 Department of Justice study, 78.8% of criminals get their guns from sources outside of retail store purchases. 39.6% get guns from friends or family while another 39.2% get guns from the street or other illegal means. Universal background checks don't address illegal trafficking.
Trafficking has been a huge problem in Australia and in the UK since their respective gun bans. Here in the United States, we have serious issues with border security. The FBI states gangs - which boast 1.2 million active members as of 2011 - engage in illegal guns trafficking, as well as narcotics. Universal background checks for purchases could easily be circumvented through illegal trafficking. This is not to say that legal purchases shouldn't have a check, but to demonstrate that this measure doesn't solve illegal gun possession.

woodguru

In actuality what I think is that FOX news polls are skewed toward conservative values, so everything about them in my eyes has a lean toward that. What I think is that if conservative polls lean like this ya'll better wake up to the facts, other polls that are more neutral will have even higher numbers than this.

Time to stop arguing against it and be part of the argument of what you think is sensible and what isn't.

Gatsby

This poll also says: 48% of Americans still have a favorable opinion of the NRA, Just 45% unfavorable!
https://crooksandliars.com/2018/03/fox-news-poll-shows-widespread-support-gun

Suggesting that years of your powerful ingrained liberal anti-gun propaganda have failed.

On thing that all of these rigged polls have in common is that they dare not reveal the actual wording of,

and order of, the questions used, the order of the questions can be as leading as the questions themselves.

How many of those poll questions began with phrases like the one I took last winter?
"If it saved lives, would you",..........
"If it made it harder for a criminal to obtain a gun, would you,".........
"Since most criminals do not undergo a background check before they obtain their guns,............

When I pointed out the bias of their questions, instant hang-up, incomplete response not tabulated.

Any poll that fails to openly disclose the EXACT wording of ALL questions asked, is about as usefull as last years Sears&Roebuck catalog.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Liberty Tree

Nothing about this disproves what I said, but you are blinded by your own willful ignorance.

Liberty Tree

It is all in how the question is asked.

woodguru

So the answers to your points are painfully obvious...

1. So fund it properly, force every state to report and have necessary wait periods to successfully do the BC

2. Enforce reporting violations

3. Imprison those who commit background fraud, the right wants people in jails, there you go

4. Criminals are not the mental whack jobs that are committing mass shootings, the idea is to make it harder for them to get or even have access to guns.

My attitude is that if a teen has access to a parent or older sibling's guns and they commit a crime with their guns they should be charged as well. People know when they have unhinged people in the household, and nothing is done about it.

The other thing that makes it hard to intervene is that the police and FBI's hands are tied even though incidents of threats are reported, as happened in the Douglas case. Unhinged nutjobs that make threats are terrorists, these are terrorist acts, and if they can be treated as such I'm afraid people making threats lose their civil rights in terms of having guns. If a person is so unhinged that they make threats to people and on social media they lose some rights, it's that simple. Look at how the right goes on about how many times the FBI "let this guy go", well the only way to make it to where the FBI can do anything is to call threats acts of terrorism so that they can intervene.

I have no sympathy or feeling a need to protect the civil rights of anyone who makes threats about shooting people, none, they lose their rights when they lose their sensibilities and ability to control their threats.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Damn good start!!!

woodguru

How the questions are asked, and where the lines on the degree of what's classified as gun control. It's not gun control as much as mental health control. Keep it to the background checks and keeping guns out of unstable people's hands and it takes the pressure off the guns themselves.

Liberty Tree

They will still find a way to get the guns they want. The best way to prevent mass shootings is a well armed defense line.