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Mar 18, 2018 08:48:01   #
snowbear37 Loc: MA.
 
Kevyn wrote:
In 1991, former Chief Justice Warren Burger, a Republican appointee, explained why the text of the Second Amendment affirms the importance of gun regulation. The first words of the amendment, Burger pointed out, are “a well regulated Militia.” This language presupposes the idea that the militias should be regulated. So, Burger reasoned, if the amendment rests on the assumption that well-trained state armies could be regulated, then it is sensible to think it also allows Congress to regulate guns among the general citizenry.

The constitutional argument for gun regulation also goes beyond the Second Amendment. The Constitution’s preamble speaks of the need to “insure domestic Tranquility”—a fundamental task of any government that can be aided by regulating deadly weapons. The recent tragedy in Florida—merely the newest in a line of one numbing bloodbath after another, a crisis that no other developed country on earth suffers from—has made it clear that our schools, hospitals, and military are anything but tranquil. In places where they once would have thought themselves safe, citizens fear another attack.

This is not only unacceptable, but it also demonstrates how far our country has strayed from a central constitutional principle. The preamble’s call for “domestic Tranquility” and the Second Amendment’s embrace of regulation do not merely allow Congress to act to regulate guns; they impel Congress to do so.

What about the worry that some forms of regulation still violate the second amendment? As Burger said in 1991, the idea that the second amendment prohibits gun regulation is “one of the greatest pieces of fraud – I repeat the word fraud – on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.” And Burger’s view of the amendment squares with what the supreme court has said more recently
In 1991, former Chief Justice Warren Burger, a Rep... (show quote)




We saw how the "government insured domestic tranquility" in FL. They hid from the perpetrator. To depend solely on the "government" (local or otherwise) in a crisis is to allow more time for that crisis to unfold. Private gun ownership (which is already "over-regulated) is necessary to the safety of the people = I repeat the word "necessary".

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Mar 18, 2018 09:00:53   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
snowbear37 wrote:


We saw how the "government insured domestic tranquility" in FL. They hid from the perpetrator. To depend solely on the "government" (local or otherwise) in a crisis is to allow more time for that crisis to unfold. Private gun ownership (which is already "over-regulated) is necessary to the safety of the people = I repeat the word "necessary".
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Mar 18, 2018 10:29:08   #
Paybacktimeishere
 
NRA is against The Constitution and
second amendment.

I believe this "Leftist/Marxist", Anti-White, & Anti-American, PROPAGANDA, & "Rewriting"
Of American, & World History, together with the
24 hour's a day Fake/False, "MEDIA" & Hollywood, have "Turned Out" many a "Socially
Engineered", Puppet, exactly like Kevyn!!! We
also must include, The "Nest" Of Radical, Communist Traitor's( AKA School Teacher's &
College Professor's ). I believe this Anti-American, Anti-Capitalist, & Pro-Globalist, Non-Sense, Started in the Mid to Late 1960's.
For what it's worth, If anyone, during the WAR, Had approached
me, or any of my men, "Spouting This Communist Trash", They would have Immediately Received, a .45 or 5.56 Cal., "FRONTAL LOBOTOMY", or a C-6 or C-5 Cervical
Spine, "PUNCTURE", & "That's A Fact, Jack"!!!

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Mar 18, 2018 12:01:10   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Kevyn wrote:
In 1991, former Chief Justice Warren Burger, a Republican appointee, explained why the text of the Second Amendment affirms the importance of gun regulation. The first words of the amendment, Burger pointed out, are “a well regulated Militia.” This language presupposes the idea that the militias should be regulated. So, Burger reasoned, if the amendment rests on the assumption that well-trained state armies could be regulated, then it is sensible to think it also allows Congress to regulate guns among the general citizenry.

The constitutional argument for gun regulation also goes beyond the Second Amendment. The Constitution’s preamble speaks of the need to “insure domestic Tranquility”—a fundamental task of any government that can be aided by regulating deadly weapons. The recent tragedy in Florida—merely the newest in a line of one numbing bloodbath after another, a crisis that no other developed country on earth suffers from—has made it clear that our schools, hospitals, and military are anything but tranquil. In places where they once would have thought themselves safe, citizens fear another attack.

This is not only unacceptable, but it also demonstrates how far our country has strayed from a central constitutional principle. The preamble’s call for “domestic Tranquility” and the Second Amendment’s embrace of regulation do not merely allow Congress to act to regulate guns; they impel Congress to do so.

What about the worry that some forms of regulation still violate the second amendment? As Burger said in 1991, the idea that the second amendment prohibits gun regulation is “one of the greatest pieces of fraud – I repeat the word fraud – on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.” And Burger’s view of the amendment squares with what the supreme court has said more recently
In 1991, former Chief Justice Warren Burger, a Rep... (show quote)


Kevie: You're bathing in hogwash again!!!!!

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Mar 18, 2018 12:43:35   #
JoyV
 
Kevyn wrote:
In 1991, former Chief Justice Warren Burger, a Republican appointee, explained why the text of the Second Amendment affirms the importance of gun regulation. The first words of the amendment, Burger pointed out, are “a well regulated Militia.” This language presupposes the idea that the militias should be regulated. So, Burger reasoned, if the amendment rests on the assumption that well-trained state armies could be regulated, then it is sensible to think it also allows Congress to regulate guns among the general citizenry.

The constitutional argument for gun regulation also goes beyond the Second Amendment. The Constitution’s preamble speaks of the need to “insure domestic Tranquility”—a fundamental task of any government that can be aided by regulating deadly weapons. The recent tragedy in Florida—merely the newest in a line of one numbing bloodbath after another, a crisis that no other developed country on earth suffers from—has made it clear that our schools, hospitals, and military are anything but tranquil. In places where they once would have thought themselves safe, citizens fear another attack.

This is not only unacceptable, but it also demonstrates how far our country has strayed from a central constitutional principle. The preamble’s call for “domestic Tranquility” and the Second Amendment’s embrace of regulation do not merely allow Congress to act to regulate guns; they impel Congress to do so.

What about the worry that some forms of regulation still violate the second amendment? As Burger said in 1991, the idea that the second amendment prohibits gun regulation is “one of the greatest pieces of fraud – I repeat the word fraud – on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.” And Burger’s view of the amendment squares with what the supreme court has said more recently
In 1991, former Chief Justice Warren Burger, a Rep... (show quote)


If you can explain how further regulation of a restrictive nature would have prevented the Parkland tragedy; it would be enlightening.

But I agree that certain regulations which are not currently in place should be seriously considered. Regulating gun safety courses for schools, including teachers, students, and administrators. Gun safety courses used to be a regular part of the high school experience. This is regulation of an empowering nature instead of a restrictive nature.

As for tranquility, how much tranquility and at what expense? Someone who is drugged might be tranquil. A graveyard is also pretty tranquil. Someone who lives in a cage might be safe. Genocide can lead to peace once all your opponents, real or perceived, are dead. I do not think the founders meant that tranquility should have precedence over liberty. Otherwise it would have been stated as obviously as the "...Life, Liberty, and Property.." phrase. Did they want tranquility? Yes. But not at the expense of life, liberty, or property. Being free was more important and acknowledge to come at a cost. The patriots had just proved that freedom was worth fighting, bleeding, and dying for. And the fighting and bleeding were certainly not tranquil. Though the dying, or at least the death; could be argued as being tranquil.

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Mar 18, 2018 16:54:39   #
Berenden
 
Wow, 2nd Amend is not talking about regulating guns but regulating Militia and there are few of those now to defend from gov't usurpation. But Japan didn't dare invade US in WWII for fear of a rifle "behind every blade of grass"... The right to bear arms shall not be infringed is individual since it is difficult for the Militias to train everyone in a militia, including women and children. In other words individuals already well trained and experienced with firearms having not been infringed are "optimizing" the well regulated Militia. Madison asked his brother Thomas to train Madison's sons (11, 9 and 3) in firearms "as soon as possible". The wife on the homesteaded 160 acres in Kansas who's husband left wife and kids to look for work had a Sharps in the kitchen for obvious reasons. Neither of these scenarios the militia is involved with. There are sourced quotes of Founding Fathers explicitely saying all men who are able should bear arms. It's an individual right and duty to bear arms who have duty to militia and to protect self, family and others from evil man and rogue animal.

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Mar 18, 2018 16:54:40   #
Berenden
 
Wow, 2nd Amend is not talking about regulating guns but regulating Militia and there are few of those now to defend from gov't usurpation. But Japan didn't dare invade US in WWII for fear of a rifle "behind every blade of grass"... The right to bear arms shall not be infringed is individual since it is difficult for the Militias to train everyone in a militia, including women and children. In other words individuals already well trained and experienced with firearms having not been infringed are "optimizing" the well regulated Militia. Madison asked his brother Thomas to train Madison's sons (11, 9 and 3) in firearms "as soon as possible". The wife on the homesteaded 160 acres in Kansas who's husband left wife and kids to look for work had a Sharps in the kitchen for obvious reasons. Neither of these scenarios the militia is involved with. There are sourced quotes of Founding Fathers explicitely saying all men who are able should bear arms. It's an individual right and duty to bear arms who have duty to militia and to protect self, family and others from evil man and rogue animal.

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Mar 18, 2018 17:02:25   #
Berenden
 
Wow, 2nd Amend is not talking about regulating guns but regulating Militia and there are few of those now to defend from gov't usurpation. But Japan didn't dare invade US in WWII for fear of a rifle "behind every blade of grass"... The right to bear arms shall not be infringed is individual since it is difficult for the Militias to train everyone in a militia, including women and children. In other words individuals already well trained and experienced with firearms having not been infringed are "optimizing" the well regulated Militia. Madison asked his brother Thomas to train Madison's sons (11, 9 and 3) in firearms "as soon as possible". The wife on the homesteaded 160 acres in Kansas who's husband left wife and kids to look for work had a Sharps in the kitchen for obvious reasons. Neither of these scenarios the militia is involved with. There are sourced quotes of Founding Fathers explicitely saying all men who are able should bear arms. It's an individual right and duty to bear arms who have duty to militia and to protect self, family and others from evil man and rogue animal.

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Mar 18, 2018 17:03:07   #
Berenden
 
I appologize for the repeat posts.

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Mar 18, 2018 17:07:15   #
Berenden
 
Clearly, get rid of most gun free zones, outlaw psychotropic drugs known to cause behavior congruent with mass shooters (they seem to happen both when on or off the "meds") and hold FBI all the way down to local law severely accountable for dereliction. These will be far more effective than banning firearms that have the latest ergonomic advantages.

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Mar 18, 2018 17:42:09   #
Berenden
 

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Mar 18, 2018 17:44:33   #
Berenden
 
Well stated although the dead one if athieist would clearly be tranquil however the theist would probably if ever seen be anything but tranquil whether heavenly or hellacious. Except the dead body.
JoyV wrote:
If you can explain how further regulation of a restrictive nature would have prevented the Parkland tragedy; it would be enlightening.

But I agree that certain regulations which are not currently in place should be seriously considered. Regulating gun safety courses for schools, including teachers, students, and administrators. Gun safety courses used to be a regular part of the high school experience. This is regulation of an empowering nature instead of a restrictive nature.

As for tranquility, how much tranquility and at what expense? Someone who is drugged might be tranquil. A graveyard is also pretty tranquil. Someone who lives in a cage might be safe. Genocide can lead to peace once all your opponents, real or perceived, are dead. I do not think the founders meant that tranquility should have precedence over liberty. Otherwise it would have been stated as obviously as the "...Life, Liberty, and Property.." phrase. Did they want tranquility? Yes. But not at the expense of life, liberty, or property. Being free was more important and acknowledge to come at a cost. The patriots had just proved that freedom was worth fighting, bleeding, and dying for. And the fighting and bleeding were certainly not tranquil. Though the dying, or at least the death; could be argued as being tranquil.
If you can explain how further regulation of a res... (show quote)

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Mar 18, 2018 19:03:57   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Selecting one person's opinion does not prove your point. There are many Justices who would disagree with him.


And they did. The ruling decision is that when "the people" are mentioned, as in the 2Nd. Amendment it means an individual right. so individuals, regulated or not. have the right to keep and bear arms

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Mar 19, 2018 03:25:43   #
badbob85037
 
Kevyn wrote:
In 1991, former Chief Justice Warren Burger, a Republican appointee, explained why the text of the Second Amendment affirms the importance of gun regulation. The first words of the amendment, Burger pointed out, are “a well regulated Militia.” This language presupposes the idea that the militias should be regulated. So, Burger reasoned, if the amendment rests on the assumption that well-trained state armies could be regulated, then it is sensible to think it also allows Congress to regulate guns among the general citizenry.

The constitutional argument for gun regulation also goes beyond the Second Amendment. The Constitution’s preamble speaks of the need to “insure domestic Tranquility”—a fundamental task of any government that can be aided by regulating deadly weapons. The recent tragedy in Florida—merely the newest in a line of one numbing bloodbath after another, a crisis that no other developed country on earth suffers from—has made it clear that our schools, hospitals, and military are anything but tranquil. In places where they once would have thought themselves safe, citizens fear another attack.

This is not only unacceptable, but it also demonstrates how far our country has strayed from a central constitutional principle. The preamble’s call for “domestic Tranquility” and the Second Amendment’s embrace of regulation do not merely allow Congress to act to regulate guns; they impel Congress to do so.

What about the worry that some forms of regulation still violate the second amendment? As Burger said in 1991, the idea that the second amendment prohibits gun regulation is “one of the greatest pieces of fraud – I repeat the word fraud – on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.” And Burger’s view of the amendment squares with what the supreme court has said more recently
In 1991, former Chief Justice Warren Burger, a Rep... (show quote)


Sounds like you as an American haven't been doing your duty. I had my well regulated training years ago. I am a little rusty at receiving but hand me a text and I can still sent 15 words a minute and give you a date time group. I guess you will do the right thing and turn your self in. Maybe ICE will take you. I'm sure you will also be making a list of your friends to turn over to ICE for their incarceration. It's good you finally saw the error of your ways and trying to make it Right. After your release maybe I'll throw you a party and get you a better steering wheel for your Moped.

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Mar 19, 2018 08:13:01   #
snowbear37 Loc: MA.
 
badbob85037 wrote:
Sounds like you as an American haven't been doing your duty. I had my well regulated training years ago. I am a little rusty at receiving but hand me a text and I can still sent 15 words a minute and give you a date time group. I guess you will do the right thing and turn your self in. Maybe ICE will take you. I'm sure you will also be making a list of your friends to turn over to ICE for their incarceration. It's good you finally saw the error of your ways and trying to make it Right. After your release maybe I'll throw you a party and get you a better steering wheel for your Moped.
Sounds like you as an American haven't been doing ... (show quote)


You can throw that party in a phone booth.

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