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permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Pulled from quora....

Is Trump finally providing us a chance to see an FBI that is actually held accountable for once?

Stephen Lee, Historian, martial artist, asset management
Answered Dec 27
No, what you are seeing may be the perfect crime in action, something the Founders could have never contemplated: that the President of the United States may have committed high crimes and misdemeanors, but because all federal law enforcement reports indirectly through to him, he can undermine the legitimacy of any investigation that touches upon him simply by denouncing his own law enforcement agencies. And he can do so with impunity, as long as he convinces enough of his supporters that the problem isn’t the man in office, but the people sworn to pursue justice, wherever that leads them.

Why could the Founders not possibly conceive of this? Because they assumed that a rogue president would be called to account by an independent Congress, through, they believed in their naïveté, the separation of powers and the power of impeachment.

Think about that. The separation of powers was the method by which the Founders assumed tyranny would be avoided in the United States. They assumed blatant disregard for the law by a president would be fiercely resisted by the people’s and the states’ representatives. A Congress that looks the other way when criminal investigations are derailed by a president who knows very well that he could end up in their sights is a Congress colluding with tyranny.

That is exactly where we are today. I’m looking at you, Paul Ryan.

I don’t know, dear OP, what you think the FBI needs to be held accountable for. If it has overstepped its bounds then the president has the ability to rein them in, and he should do so by openly revealing what it is that they have done to earn your opprobrium. Trump hasn’t shown that to be the case. He merely accuses them of bias in an investigation that was started long before he became president because of unanimous findings by American intelligence agencies, and the right-wing propaganda machinery parrots that on cue for Trump’s supporters to swallow hook, line and sinker.

How audacious that is. We may have a president who is up to his eyeballs in corruption with a foreign power, and who used that relationship to his own advantage — financially and politically — perhaps for years, who by simply casting aspersions on the integrity of the people who have sworn to uphold justice throughout the Republic might just get away with it all.

And you thought Republicans were the supporters of law enforcement? I guess they are, when one of them kills a black person. When they investigate corruption among Republicans, then they are the enemy of the people.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

permafrost wrote:

Pulled from quora....

Is Trump finally providing us a chance to see an FBI that is actually held accountable for once?

Stephen Lee, Historian, martial artist, asset management
Answered Dec 27
No, what you are seeing may be the perfect crime in action, something the Founders could have never contemplated: that the President of the United States may have committed high crimes and misdemeanors, but because all federal law enforcement reports indirectly through to him, he can undermine the legitimacy of any investigation that touches upon him simply by denouncing his own law enforcement agencies. And he can do so with impunity, as long as he convinces enough of his supporters that the problem isn’t the man in office, but the people sworn to pursue justice, wherever that leads them.

Why could the Founders not possibly conceive of this? Because they assumed that a rogue president would be called to account by an independent Congress, through, they believed in their naïveté, the separation of powers and the power of impeachment.

Think about that. The separation of powers was the method by which the Founders assumed tyranny would be avoided in the United States. They assumed blatant disregard for the law by a president would be fiercely resisted by the people’s and the states’ representatives. A Congress that looks the other way when criminal investigations are derailed by a president who knows very well that he could end up in their sights is a Congress colluding with tyranny.

That is exactly where we are today. I’m looking at you, Paul Ryan.

I don’t know, dear OP, what you think the FBI needs to be held accountable for. If it has overstepped its bounds then the president has the ability to rein them in, and he should do so by openly revealing what it is that they have done to earn your opprobrium. Trump hasn’t shown that to be the case. He merely accuses them of bias in an investigation that was started long before he became president because of unanimous findings by American intelligence agencies, and the right-wing propaganda machinery parrots that on cue for Trump’s supporters to swallow hook, line and sinker.

How audacious that is. We may have a president who is up to his eyeballs in corruption with a foreign power, and who used that relationship to his own advantage — financially and politically — perhaps for years, who by simply casting aspersions on the integrity of the people who have sworn to uphold justice throughout the Republic might just get away with it all.

And you thought Republicans were the supporters of law enforcement? I guess they are, when one of them kills a black person. When they investigate corruption among Republicans, then they are the enemy of the people.

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Your post is soooo ridiculously stupid that i am not even go respond to it except by asking just one question..What high crimes and misdemeanors did our President committed??.......You are a racist bigot,dimwit!!!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

proud republican wrote:

Your post is soooo ridiculously stupid that i am not even go respond to it except by asking just one question..What high crimes and misdemeanors did our President committed??.......You are a racist bigot,dimwit!!!

The writer is speaking in terms of "what if"....

The possible outcome of the investigation could include money laundering, it could include allowing Russia to exert undue influence on our agreements with allies, trade agreements or future status with Russia itself.

many things among those subjects could become some of those high crimes and misdemeanors..

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

permafrost wrote:

The writer is speaking in terms of "what if"....

The possible outcome of the investigation could include money laundering, it could include allowing Russia to exert undue influence on our agreements with allies, trade agreements or future status with Russia itself.

many things among those subjects could become some of those high crimes and misdemeanors..

Look...if you're still looking for something you're wasting time.

PLT Sarge Loc: Alabama

So this is not your original thought, if you may have ever had one. What are President Trump's high crimes and misdemeanors ? If you are going to try to state a point, at least give the facts supporting that point. A Rogue President, really ? Is that the best you have ? He, President Trump was duly elected. What investigations are being derailed ? Once again give facts. So as I read your post, you are saying that the Founding Fathers messed up on the ideal of Three Levels Of Government. What are asking for ? Rewrite the Constitution ? After over a year where is the proof that he is up to his eyeballs in corruption ? Again, where are your facts ? But as a true Liberal, the last paragraph you have to throw in the race card. Question ? Do you ever get tired of being a puppet ? Even Pinocchio wanted to be a real person, a real boy. With original thoughts. You people are pathetic. How can you live in so much hate ?

permafrost wrote:

Pulled from quora....

Is Trump finally providing us a chance to see an FBI that is actually held accountable for once?

Stephen Lee, Historian, martial artist, asset management
Answered Dec 27
No, what you are seeing may be the perfect crime in action, something the Founders could have never contemplated: that the President of the United States may have committed high crimes and misdemeanors, but because all federal law enforcement reports indirectly through to him, he can undermine the legitimacy of any investigation that touches upon him simply by denouncing his own law enforcement agencies. And he can do so with impunity, as long as he convinces enough of his supporters that the problem isn’t the man in office, but the people sworn to pursue justice, wherever that leads them.

Why could the Founders not possibly conceive of this? Because they assumed that a rogue president would be called to account by an independent Congress, through, they believed in their naïveté, the separation of powers and the power of impeachment.

Think about that. The separation of powers was the method by which the Founders assumed tyranny would be avoided in the United States. They assumed blatant disregard for the law by a president would be fiercely resisted by the people’s and the states’ representatives. A Congress that looks the other way when criminal investigations are derailed by a president who knows very well that he could end up in their sights is a Congress colluding with tyranny.

That is exactly where we are today. I’m looking at you, Paul Ryan.

I don’t know, dear OP, what you think the FBI needs to be held accountable for. If it has overstepped its bounds then the president has the ability to rein them in, and he should do so by openly revealing what it is that they have done to earn your opprobrium. Trump hasn’t shown that to be the case. He merely accuses them of bias in an investigation that was started long before he became president because of unanimous findings by American intelligence agencies, and the right-wing propaganda machinery parrots that on cue for Trump’s supporters to swallow hook, line and sinker.

How audacious that is. We may have a president who is up to his eyeballs in corruption with a foreign power, and who used that relationship to his own advantage — financially and politically — perhaps for years, who by simply casting aspersions on the integrity of the people who have sworn to uphold justice throughout the Republic might just get away with it all.

And you thought Republicans were the supporters of law enforcement? I guess they are, when one of them kills a black person. When they investigate corruption among Republicans, then they are the enemy of the people.

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PeterS

permafrost wrote:

Pulled from quora....

Is Trump finally providing us a chance to see an FBI that is actually held accountable for once?

Stephen Lee, Historian, martial artist, asset management
Answered Dec 27
No, what you are seeing may be the perfect crime in action, something the Founders could have never contemplated: that the President of the United States may have committed high crimes and misdemeanors, but because all federal law enforcement reports indirectly through to him, he can undermine the legitimacy of any investigation that touches upon him simply by denouncing his own law enforcement agencies. And he can do so with impunity, as long as he convinces enough of his supporters that the problem isn’t the man in office, but the people sworn to pursue justice, wherever that leads them.

Why could the Founders not possibly conceive of this? Because they assumed that a rogue president would be called to account by an independent Congress, through, they believed in their naïveté, the separation of powers and the power of impeachment.

Think about that. The separation of powers was the method by which the Founders assumed tyranny would be avoided in the United States. They assumed blatant disregard for the law by a president would be fiercely resisted by the people’s and the states’ representatives. A Congress that looks the other way when criminal investigations are derailed by a president who knows very well that he could end up in their sights is a Congress colluding with tyranny.

That is exactly where we are today. I’m looking at you, Paul Ryan.

I don’t know, dear OP, what you think the FBI needs to be held accountable for. If it has overstepped its bounds then the president has the ability to rein them in, and he should do so by openly revealing what it is that they have done to earn your opprobrium. Trump hasn’t shown that to be the case. He merely accuses them of bias in an investigation that was started long before he became president because of unanimous findings by American intelligence agencies, and the right-wing propaganda machinery parrots that on cue for Trump’s supporters to swallow hook, line and sinker.

How audacious that is. We may have a president who is up to his eyeballs in corruption with a foreign power, and who used that relationship to his own advantage — financially and politically — perhaps for years, who by simply casting aspersions on the integrity of the people who have sworn to uphold justice throughout the Republic might just get away with it all.

And you thought Republicans were the supporters of law enforcement? I guess they are, when one of them kills a black person. When they investigate corruption among Republicans, then they are the enemy of the people.

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I don't think the founders ever counted on a congress that was equally corrupt as the president--or for that matter an electorate more corrupt than both the president and congress...

guitarman Loc: University Park, Florida

permafrost wrote:

Pulled from quora....

Is Trump finally providing us a chance to see an FBI that is actually held accountable for once?

Stephen Lee, Historian, martial artist, asset management
Answered Dec 27
No, what you are seeing may be the perfect crime in action, something the Founders could have never contemplated: that the President of the United States may have committed high crimes and misdemeanors, but because all federal law enforcement reports indirectly through to him, he can undermine the legitimacy of any investigation that touches upon him simply by denouncing his own law enforcement agencies. And he can do so with impunity, as long as he convinces enough of his supporters that the problem isn’t the man in office, but the people sworn to pursue justice, wherever that leads them.

Why could the Founders not possibly conceive of this? Because they assumed that a rogue president would be called to account by an independent Congress, through, they believed in their naïveté, the separation of powers and the power of impeachment.

Think about that. The separation of powers was the method by which the Founders assumed tyranny would be avoided in the United States. They assumed blatant disregard for the law by a president would be fiercely resisted by the people’s and the states’ representatives. A Congress that looks the other way when criminal investigations are derailed by a president who knows very well that he could end up in their sights is a Congress colluding with tyranny.

That is exactly where we are today. I’m looking at you, Paul Ryan.

I don’t know, dear OP, what you think the FBI needs to be held accountable for. If it has overstepped its bounds then the president has the ability to rein them in, and he should do so by openly revealing what it is that they have done to earn your opprobrium. Trump hasn’t shown that to be the case. He merely accuses them of bias in an investigation that was started long before he became president because of unanimous findings by American intelligence agencies, and the right-wing propaganda machinery parrots that on cue for Trump’s supporters to swallow hook, line and sinker.

How audacious that is. We may have a president who is up to his eyeballs in corruption with a foreign power, and who used that relationship to his own advantage — financially and politically — perhaps for years, who by simply casting aspersions on the integrity of the people who have sworn to uphold justice throughout the Republic might just get away with it all.

And you thought Republicans were the supporters of law enforcement? I guess they are, when one of them kills a black person. When they investigate corruption among Republicans, then they are the enemy of the people.

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We don't have a rouge president we have a rouge FBI.

popparod Loc: Somewhere else.

permafrost wrote:

The writer is speaking in terms of "what if"....

The possible outcome of the investigation could include money laundering, it could include allowing Russia to exert undue influence on our agreements with allies, trade agreements or future status with Russia itself.

many things among those subjects could become some of those high crimes and misdemeanors..

Speaking in terms of what if,
If a frog had wings it wouldn’t be bumping its ass on the ground,
Now would it?

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

PLT Sarge wrote:

So this is not your original thought, if you may h... (show quote)

No kidding!

SGM B Loc: TEXAS but live in Alabama now

popparod wrote:

Speaking in terms of what if,
If a frog had wings it wouldn’t be bumping its ass on the ground,
Now would it?

Or...if wishes were fishes we'd all have a fry and if horse turds were apples we could eat til we die.
:-

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

PeterS wrote:

I don't think the founders ever counted on a congress that was equally corrupt as the president--or for that matter an electorate more corrupt than both the president and congress...

How can you be so self-righteous? What exactly has Trump done other than beat that cheating bitch in an election? And you can't deny what a cheating bitch she was.

mlmpratte

I am almost astonished in what you’ve just written. You really should be addressing the last president and the legions he installed into his administration. Clearly, the criminality you’re lamenting at that level happened during his tenure.

He—with help, weaponized, I believe almost all of our great institutions. Albeit done by previous administrations also, I give him that.

The Justice department—Fast n Furious, still today causing death and destruction, the funneling of settlements from investigations of police departments and banking institutions across the country to his personal social causes. I’m talking about the funneling not the culpability.

The IRS, punishment through auditing and other investigations of hundreds of conservatives groups. Homeland Security, Catch and release, DACA, filing charges against law enforcers who followed Federal Law regarding illegal immigration.

The installation of thousands of liberal judges to further his progressive agenda to undo or undermine our Constitution.

The fundamental changes within the Intelligence Agency’s, such as intelligence sharing, removing all previous knowledge and sharing of Radical Islamic methods and restricting the availability of information regarding that terrorism from around the world, even the mentioning of Islam in discussion and material.

And, currently as having been revealed through this special investigation into our current president, the complete corruption and collision of the FBI, Justice Department, the State Department (Hillary Clinton) and many of the other intelligence agencies at their upper management levels, in not only the brining down of this president, but more importantly, the process at which they used to achieve this outcome. Think also the collusion of the MSM

But again from the past, the billions in cash sent to Iran in the dead of night, without Congressional approval. I could go on, the EPA, HUD, The Interior Department all creating an avalanche of regulations to crush businesses, big and small. The Education Department to push through a socialist/progressive agenda. So much more.

It seems, (without knowing for sure) that you haven’t researched our last President and the ‘why or the how’ Donald Trump was elected or you wouldn’t have written with much outrage regarding his Presidency

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

mlmpratte wrote:

I am almost astonished in what you’ve just written. You really should be addressing the last president and the legions he installed into his administration. Clearly, the criminality you’re lamenting at that level happened during his tenure.

He—with help, weaponized, I believe almost all of our great institutions. Albeit done by previous administrations also, I give him that.

The Justice department—Fast n Furious, still today causing death and destruction, the funneling of settlements from investigations of police departments and banking institutions across the country to his personal social causes. I’m talking about the funneling not the culpability.

The IRS, punishment through auditing and other investigations of hundreds of conservatives groups. Homeland Security, Catch and release, DACA, filing charges against law enforcers who followed Federal Law regarding illegal immigration.

The installation of thousands of liberal judges to further his progressive agenda to undo or undermine our Constitution.

The fundamental changes within the Intelligence Agency’s, such as intelligence sharing, removing all previous knowledge and sharing of Radical Islamic methods and restricting the availability of information regarding that terrorism from around the world, even the mentioning of Islam in discussion and material.

And, currently as having been revealed through this special investigation into our current president, the complete corruption and collision of the FBI, Justice Department, the State Department (Hillary Clinton) and many of the other intelligence agencies at their upper management levels, in not only the brining down of this president, but more importantly, the process at which they used to achieve this outcome. Think also the collusion of the MSM

But again from the past, the billions in cash sent to Iran in the dead of night, without Congressional approval. I could go on, the EPA, HUD, The Interior Department all creating an avalanche of regulations to crush businesses, big and small. The Education Department to push through a socialist/progressive agenda. So much more.

It seems, (without knowing for sure) that you haven’t researched our last President and the ‘why or the how’ Donald Trump was elected or you wouldn’t have written with much outrage regarding his Presidency

I am almost astonished in what you’ve just written... (show quote)

Great first post!!!Welcome to OPP Enjoy the ride,though sometimes its road rage _like on here, but mostly its smooth sailing!!!...Enjoy!!!

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

mlmpratte wrote:

I am almost astonished in what you’ve just written. You really should be addressing the last president and the legions he installed into his administration. Clearly, the criminality you’re lamenting at that level happened during his tenure.

He—with help, weaponized, I believe almost all of our great institutions. Albeit done by previous administrations also, I give him that.

The Justice department—Fast n Furious, still today causing death and destruction, the funneling of settlements from investigations of police departments and banking institutions across the country to his personal social causes. I’m talking about the funneling not the culpability.

The IRS, punishment through auditing and other investigations of hundreds of conservatives groups. Homeland Security, Catch and release, DACA, filing charges against law enforcers who followed Federal Law regarding illegal immigration.

The installation of thousands of liberal judges to further his progressive agenda to undo or undermine our Constitution.

The fundamental changes within the Intelligence Agency’s, such as intelligence sharing, removing all previous knowledge and sharing of Radical Islamic methods and restricting the availability of information regarding that terrorism from around the world, even the mentioning of Islam in discussion and material.

And, currently as having been revealed through this special investigation into our current president, the complete corruption and collision of the FBI, Justice Department, the State Department (Hillary Clinton) and many of the other intelligence agencies at their upper management levels, in not only the brining down of this president, but more importantly, the process at which they used to achieve this outcome. Think also the collusion of the MSM

But again from the past, the billions in cash sent to Iran in the dead of night, without Congressional approval. I could go on, the EPA, HUD, The Interior Department all creating an avalanche of regulations to crush businesses, big and small. The Education Department to push through a socialist/progressive agenda. So much more.

It seems, (without knowing for sure) that you haven’t researched our last President and the ‘why or the how’ Donald Trump was elected or you wouldn’t have written with much outrage regarding his Presidency

I am almost astonished in what you’ve just written... (show quote)

Good post!

If you use the "Quote Reply" tab your reply will show up with the post to which you are replying...however, in this case it's hardly necessary.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

mlmpratte wrote:

I am almost astonished in what you’ve just written. You really should be addressing the last president and the legions he installed into his administration. Clearly, the criminality you’re lamenting at that level happened during his tenure.

He—with help, weaponized, I believe almost all of our great institutions. Albeit done by previous administrations also, I give him that.

The Justice department—Fast n Furious, still today causing death and destruction, the funneling of settlements from investigations of police departments and banking institutions across the country to his personal social causes. I’m talking about the funneling not the culpability.

The IRS, punishment through auditing and other investigations of hundreds of conservatives groups. Homeland Security, Catch and release, DACA, filing charges against law enforcers who followed Federal Law regarding illegal immigration.

The installation of thousands of liberal judges to further his progressive agenda to undo or undermine our Constitution.

The fundamental changes within the Intelligence Agency’s, such as intelligence sharing, removing all previous knowledge and sharing of Radical Islamic methods and restricting the availability of information regarding that terrorism from around the world, even the mentioning of Islam in discussion and material.

And, currently as having been revealed through this special investigation into our current president, the complete corruption and collision of the FBI, Justice Department, the State Department (Hillary Clinton) and many of the other intelligence agencies at their upper management levels, in not only the brining down of this president, but more importantly, the process at which they used to achieve this outcome. Think also the collusion of the MSM

But again from the past, the billions in cash sent to Iran in the dead of night, without Congressional approval. I could go on, the EPA, HUD, The Interior Department all creating an avalanche of regulations to crush businesses, big and small. The Education Department to push through a socialist/progressive agenda. So much more.

It seems, (without knowing for sure) that you haven’t researched our last President and the ‘why or the how’ Donald Trump was elected or you wouldn’t have written with much outrage regarding his Presidency

I am almost astonished in what you’ve just written... (show quote)

Are you an echo chamber??? sound like the lip service to Fox news..

Use Quote reply or we will not know who you are trying to insult..

Do you have a point??

Are you upset that what trump labels fake news turns out to be the truth??

Do you hate it when you find the events of the last 8 years are the best things to happen in 2 decades?

Welcome to OPP, you have a lot of company, you will feel at home..