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What "New Gun Law" will prevent the next mass shooting?
Feb 18, 2018 11:15:21   #
Gatsby
 
Call it the "Gowdy Question"?

We currently have more than 10,000 laws regulating the sale, purchase, possession, storage, and use of firearms in this nation.

I would suggest that the only additional gun law that we need in this country is gun law ENFORCEMENT!

Law enforcement was made aware that Cruz was armed and may have violated at least one law when he aimed a rifle,

from a house window, at his neighbors chickens. More than a dozen people know where the problem lies, their 911 calls did no good!

As for the FBI field office in Florida, this is the second time in less than one year that their screwed up policies

have failed to heed the RED FLAGS that could have prevented these mass killings. Heads need to roll for this breakdown!

When existing laws are not enforced and clear warnings are dismissed, how will passing another law help?

In both cases law enforcement defended themselves by pointing out that departmental policies prevented them

from continuing their investigation, thus "Case filed, awaiting further information"(AKA DEAD BODIES).

WHAT LAW WILL PREVENT THE NEXT MASS SHOOTING, WHEN WE DON'T ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE?

Consider this, murder capitol of the U.S., the city of Chicago, boasts that they confiscate 10,000 firearms per year,

but they won't talk about how many criminals were prosecuted for "unlawful firearm possesion".

Perhaps we should instead re-asses the policies and procedures dictated to our law enforcement officers, by their leadership.

Please help both myself and our nations children, tell me if you can "What law will PREVENT THE NEXT MASS SHOOTING?

My own suggestion is that we re-access what constitutes a reportable "Mental impairment of the right to possess a firearm".

The old felony conviction standard was updated to include domestic assaults and restrainging orders!

Privacy rules were updated to require law enforcement notification of cases of suspected child abuse.

If I recall correctly, an individual must have been committed for 30 days to qualify as "mentally impaired",

if that is still the standard, then I would suggest that it damn sure needs to be updated, with mandatory reporting included!

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Feb 19, 2018 12:45:26   #
Abel
 
Well, Gatsby (The Great, I presume), since you asked....

IMHO, you are correct in wanting the laws enforced. However, over time this country having developed 10,000 laws for controlling guns, if you are correct, has created a hell of a lot hate, discontent, an ungodly number of government jobs to manage the paperwork involved, and look where it has gotten us!

Yes, there is one law, already on the books, that will adequately take care of the problem, and it is not being enforced as it should be, mostly due to a seriously regressive group of anti-USA "Progressive" Socialist Democrats with their RINO cohorts.

THAT LAW IS CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY, AS PROVIDED BY THE SECOND AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION!

ENFORCE IT!!!!!
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Gatsby wrote:
Call it the "Gowdy Question"?

We currently have more than 10,000 laws regulating the sale, purchase, possession, storage, and use of firearms in this nation.

I would suggest that the only additional gun law that we need in this country is gun law ENFORCEMENT!

Law enforcement was made aware that Cruz was armed and may have violated at least one law when he aimed a rifle,

from a house window, at his neighbors chickens. More than a dozen people know where the problem lies, their 911 calls did no good!

As for the FBI field office in Florida, this is the second time in less than one year that their screwed up policies

have failed to heed the RED FLAGS that could have prevented these mass killings. Heads need to roll for this breakdown!

When existing laws are not enforced and clear warnings are dismissed, how will passing another law help?

In both cases law enforcement defended themselves by pointing out that departmental policies prevented them

from continuing their investigation, thus "Case filed, awaiting further information"(AKA DEAD BODIES).

WHAT LAW WILL PREVENT THE NEXT MASS SHOOTING, WHEN WE DON'T ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE?

Consider this, murder capitol of the U.S., the city of Chicago, boasts that they confiscate 10,000 firearms per year,

but they won't talk about how many criminals were prosecuted for "unlawful firearm possesion".

Perhaps we should instead re-asses the policies and procedures dictated to our law enforcement officers, by their leadership.

Please help both myself and our nations children, tell me if you can "What law will PREVENT THE NEXT MASS SHOOTING?

My own suggestion is that we re-access what constitutes a reportable "Mental impairment of the right to possess a firearm".

The old felony conviction standard was updated to include domestic assaults and restrainging orders!

Privacy rules were updated to require law enforcement notification of cases of suspected child abuse.

If I recall correctly, an individual must have been committed for 30 days to qualify as "mentally impaired",

if that is still the standard, then I would suggest that it damn sure needs to be updated, with mandatory reporting included!
Call it the "Gowdy Question"? br br We ... (show quote)

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Feb 19, 2018 13:31:48   #
Gatsby
 
The facts are simple, depression is present in 50% of all suicides.

The SSRI's that are prescribed to treat this depression, in lieu of professional counciling, result in a 42% increase in violent behavior

amongst 15 to 24 year old patients as well as a 50% increase in suicidal thoughts and ACTIONS.

A 42% increase in violent behavior, coupled with a 50% increase in suicidal thoughts and actions,

seems to like a sure fire formula for murder/suicide scenarios!

Is murder/suicide an acceptable "adverse side effect", so long as BigPharma makes a profit?

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Feb 19, 2018 17:01:58   #
Abel
 
Hello again Gatsby,

IMHO, I really don't think murder and suicide should be lumped together. Murdering someone is one thing, and it affects the life of someone other than oneself physically. Suicide on the other hand affects only your own life physically. Sure their survivors will be sad, or maybe happy in some cases, but they will get over it and go on living their lives because they weren't hurt physically.

If someone wants to commit suicide, for whatever reason, it should be their right to terminate themselves. It should not be illegal, nor looked down upon as immoral, nor prevented by anyone. If one can't manage to take their own life, they weren't ready to go. If one attempts suicide to get attention, then they made a mistake and should either take that mistake to their grave or wake up and move on if they didn't do enough whatever to finish the task.

I have had a number of religious individuals, preachers included, that ask you how you are, and when you respond negatively they tell you "well, that's better than the alternative." This tells me that they don't really believe what they profess they believe, or what they preach, which is usually that there is an afterlife where you go to heaven, which is purported to be the best possible place; unless they are inferring you should go to hell, which could be better or worse, depending upon your malady.

You also have doctors that try to keep you alive no matter how miserable your life will be if they manage to bring you around, and maybe the person doesn't want to go through what will be coming if they do live. The longer these people keep you ticking, the more money they make. That shouldn't happen to anyone; after all we put horses, dogs, and even cats and mice out of their misery so they don't have to suffer. Humans should have at least the same rights of any other animal. Assisted suicide isn't all bad.

What about overdosing on some drug? Well, just because the drug was available doesn't make the pharmacist, documented or undocumented, or a doctor, responsible for the carelessness of the suicidal person with their lack of good judgement. I suppose you could blame the parents or the schools, but is it really their fault the person elected not to listen to their warnings and instructions? I don't think so! The person may be a victim, if you wish to call the person a victim, but they are a victim of their own mind and making. Some people just get overly frustrated by, or maybe just tired of living in, a socialist mess of a world. If you just watch the bloody news, you can figure out why they feel as they do!
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The human will to live is very strong, but when it is lost there are many ways to terminate your own life if you so desire, and considering the frailty of human life, it is an individual failure if you can't manage to get it done! Murder isn't one of them.

Gatsby wrote:
The facts are simple, depression is present in 50% of all suicides.

The SSRI's that are prescribed to treat this depression, in lieu of professional counciling, result in a 42% increase in violent behavior

amongst 15 to 24 year old patients as well as a 50% increase in suicidal thoughts and ACTIONS.

A 42% increase in violent behavior, coupled with a 50% increase in suicidal thoughts and actions,

seems to like a sure fire formula for murder/suicide scenarios!

Is murder/suicide an acceptable "adverse side effect", so long as BigPharma makes a profit?
The facts are simple, depression is present in 50%... (show quote)

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Feb 19, 2018 19:07:03   #
Gatsby
 
Abel, I should have been more clear, I did not mean to lump murder and suicides together.

I was refering to the seperate class of crime of committing murder followed by suicide, or mass murder folowed by suicide.

Murdering ones spouse and or family followed by suicide is an all too common example, as are school murders, which often

ultimately culminate in the perpetrator taking his own life.

Abel wrote:
Hello again Gatsby,

IMHO, I really don't think murder and suicide should be lumped together. Murdering someone is one thing, and it affects the life of someone other than oneself physically. Suicide on the other hand affects only your own life physically. Sure their survivors will be sad, or maybe happy in some cases, but they will get over it and go on living their lives because they weren't hurt physically.

If someone wants to commit suicide, for whatever reason, it should be their right to terminate themselves. It should not be illegal, nor looked down upon as immoral, nor prevented by anyone. If one can't manage to take their own life, they weren't ready to go. If one attempts suicide to get attention, then they made a mistake and should either take that mistake to their grave or wake up and move on if they didn't do enough whatever to finish the task.

I have had a number of religious individuals, preachers included, that ask you how you are, and when you respond negatively they tell you "well, that's better than the alternative." This tells me that they don't really believe what they profess they believe, or what they preach, which is usually that there is an afterlife where you go to heaven, which is purported to be the best possible place; unless they are inferring you should go to hell, which could be better or worse, depending upon your malady.

You also have doctors that try to keep you alive no matter how miserable your life will be if they manage to bring you around, and maybe the person doesn't want to go through what will be coming if they do live. The longer these people keep you ticking, the more money they make. That shouldn't happen to anyone; after all we put horses, dogs, and even cats and mice out of their misery so they don't have to suffer. Humans should have at least the same rights of any other animal. Assisted suicide isn't all bad.

What about overdosing on some drug? Well, just because the drug was available doesn't make the pharmacist, documented or undocumented, or a doctor, responsible for the carelessness of the suicidal person with their lack of good judgement. I suppose you could blame the parents or the schools, but is it really their fault the person elected not to listen to their warnings and instructions? I don't think so! The person may be a victim, if you wish to call the person a victim, but they are a victim of their own mind and making. Some people just get overly frustrated by, or maybe just tired of living in, a socialist mess of a world. If you just watch the bloody news, you can figure out why they feel as they do!
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The human will to live is very strong, but when it is lost there are many ways to terminate your own life if you so desire, and considering the frailty of human life, it is an individual failure if you can't manage to get it done! Murder isn't one of them.
Hello again Gatsby, br br IMHO, I really don't th... (show quote)

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