PeterS

When Rosenstein laid out the indictment against the 13 Russians he said that that there was nothing in the indictments to suggest that there was any collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians but he said nothing about Trump not colluding with the Russian government or other agents there in. So the question I have is why does Trump and his minions (that would be you conservatives) think that Rosenstein exonerated him when he did anything but???

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Narrow mindedness is the key to being a progtraitor.. Rachel 'the bullcow' Maddow will never be able to say that our President Donald J Trump got convicted of "anything"..

So all narrow minded Progs are barking up a empty tree..

Maybe the progtraitors can howl at the sky again, like the true animals that they are..

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I don't think Rosenstein exonerated anyone. That was Trump jerking your chain again. You know, the guy renting the space between your ears. It is good news for Trump however. Starting to look more and more like this was an independent group (maybe with Kremlin help) just trying to sew chaos throughout America. Every time you clowns get your panties in a wad over some big collusion proof it blows up in your face. You must like it.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

You may have misheard what Rosenstein said.... "Although Americans became involved in their activities, there is no allegation in this document “that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity,” Rosenstein asserted.

Asked directly about references in the document to the Russians contacting unwitting members of the Trump campaign, Rosenstein said, “There is no allegation in this indictment any American had any knowledge” of the scheme." President Trump is an American... although there was an exception in the past, to become president, one has to be an Natural Born American. So, he is included in "that any American had knowledge."

Here is a link to his announcement complete with q/a: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlGm5tse8ek

Radiance3

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Perhaps Rosenstein is trying to mellow himself, trying to save himself from being purged out.

PeterS

That's correct, there is no allegation in the indictment but the indictment only covers the LLC not the Russian government. For example, Flynn supposedly talked with the Russian Ambassador about dropping the sanctions. This wouldn't be covered by the indictment. If Papadopoulos were in contact with any Russians it's unlikely he would have talked to anyone at the LLC. And then there is the question of why the Trump administration asked the RNC to change the language regarding the Russians. If there was any contact between the Trump origination and Russia regarding this it wouldn't have gone through the LLC. That's my point. Rosenstein only referenced the LLC and the indictments. If the scope of the investigation is any broader than Trump is far from the out of the clear...

And again, if you listen to Rosenstein when interviewed he only referenced the indictment and those in it. If the investigation goes beyond the scope Rosenstein made no statement...

PeterS

And how does Trump's misstatement of what Rosenstein said prevent that?

PeterS

Jerking my chain? You're the ones running around saying that Trumps been exonerated. Thats a most unusual way for someone to jerk the chain of someone else...

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Actually, 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for allegedly meddling in the 2016 presidential election. The lead defendant is the “Internet Research Agency,” known as Russia’s “troll farm.” As for Flynn, he plead guilty to lying to FBI and may have violated the Logan Act. I say maybe because it is unclear the status of people who are in the "transition" between presidents and it is unclear if he negotiated with Russia. So, the charge is lying to the FBI. Papadopoulos also lied to the FBI and according to him did try to get "dirt" from Russia about Clinton. Apparently it is not illegal to buy damaging information on opponents from foreign nationals. Otherwise the DNC would be indicted for the Steele Dossier.

I think the "meddling" probe is just about over. I believe the FBI is satisfied that no American knowingly conspired with known Russian operatives to change the outcome of the election. I do not think they will nail Papadopoulos for meddling, as he did not obtain any information. But, that is a gray area.... he did "try" to get information, but was unsuccessful. If he is charged, then those involved in buying or paying for the Steele Dossier will also need to be tried for election meddling. This I do not think will happen. Next they, FBI, will determine if our President interfered with the investigation. And this will keep Mueller and his team well funded for another year....

Regarding the word-smithing of Deman's proposal. It was not on Russia, but rather on the Ukraine.... and I agree, "lethal defensive weapons to the Ukrainian government" as it appeared in their document, was much too strong and could have been seen as an encouragement for war. The recommended change "appropriate assistance" to the Ukrainian government. The change is benign and does not imply that we advocate war or encouraging war that would be backed by the US. Seems to me to be a wise decision as well as promoting diplomacy.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I must have jerked yours since you are lying about what I said. Again.

wolffy

Obammy would have been screwed!

grey gringo Loc: South Texas

Peter S: You neglected to analyse Mr. Rosenstein's entire statement. In addition to stating that there was no evidence to suggest collusion, he also stated that there was no evidence to suggest that "any American" was envolved in the Russian plot"
As President Trump is an "American" this would clearly indicate that our President is innocent of the "collusion" charges. Regardless of you feelings, President Trump not only won the election, but he has been exonerated of the BS charges of collusion. I know that you on the left are infuriated that President Trump is still Our President and that there is not one thing you can do about it but bitch and moan...enjoy yourself, your pathetic attempts to dethrone our President will continue to amuse those of us on the right

GmanTerry

How many years and millions of dollars are we supposed to spend defending your crappy decision to vote for a crime boss in a pants suit. No matter what happens Hillary will NEVER be President so suck it up like a big boy and move on. Trump is President of the Uniter States if you like it or not.

Semper Fi

king hall Loc: Tucson,AZ.

PennyLynn, like Tucker, you really know how to slam your argument home!

As to the question of 'exoneration', if PeterS, you'd paid attention in your sophomore government class you'd know a prosecutor doesn't exonerate because he/she can't exonerate anyone! What we saw in Rosenstein's announcement was the DOJ backstepping from any of this 'Independent Counsel' investigation. Like it or not, at this point in time if the government could indict Trump it could never get a conviction. And that's the fault of the DOJ/FBI.