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Feb 18, 2018 18:06:46   #
Morgan
 
archie bunker wrote:
Wet backs means illegals. Illegals include ANYONE not LEGALLY in this country. If we're talking about the ones coming over the Northern border, they are icebacks. Same difference.

I thought it was referring to Mexicans in general

wet·back
ˈwetˌbak/
nounUSinformalderogatory
noun: wetback; plural noun: wetbacks

a Mexican living in the US, especially without official authorization.

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Feb 19, 2018 07:15:18   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
Morgan wrote:
Wetbacks...I believe most Mexican are hard working, I recall history not wanting the Irish also, or jews, Japanese, Chinese, people are prejudice. Basically, we agree. At this point maybe we should readjust our congress back to working and representing the people and not, corporate lobbyists.


morgan, maybe before you make a comment about how hard working they are you should try living around them for awhile. In the 70’s I would’ve agreed with you. I’ve worked side by side with them. But by the 80’s & 90’s a new type of illegal started showing up. The ones that had absolutely no desire to work. They were here for one reason and that was to game the system.
I’ve helped them as best as I could and in return they tried to kill me.
So until you live around them( move into “their” neighborhood) and see how welcome you really are gringa you shouldn’t defend something you know nothing about.
Most of them are now here to wipe the “whites” out of America. Oh and by the way they really want to get rid of all the useless blacks( their words not mine).

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Feb 19, 2018 07:17:56   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
The resourcefulness of the anti-Trumpers is absolutely astonishing. They twist & distort everything.



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Feb 19, 2018 08:40:05   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
[quote=Morgan]What happens when a country that is based on governing by our laws and rules, doesn't obey their own laws.


Well, they would allow mass illegal immigration and try to change
existing laws to keep them from being deported for one!

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Feb 19, 2018 08:49:44   #
debeda
 
Morgan wrote:
Wetbacks...I believe most Mexican are hard working, I recall history not wanting the Irish also, or jews, Japanese, Chinese, people are prejudice. Basically, we agree. At this point maybe we should readjust our congress back to working and representing the people and not, corporate lobbyists.


Wetback is a slang term for ILLEGALS not Mexican immigrants. The other nationalities you mentioned came here....wait for it...LEGALLY. As usual leftist talking points boil down to nonsense and B.S.

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Feb 19, 2018 08:51:08   #
debeda
 
Justsss wrote:
morgan, maybe before you make a comment about how hard working they are you should try living around them for awhile. In the 70’s I would’ve agreed with you. I’ve worked side by side with them. But by the 80’s & 90’s a new type of illegal started showing up. The ones that had absolutely no desire to work. They were here for one reason and that was to game the system.
I’ve helped them as best as I could and in return they tried to kill me.
So until you live around them( move into “their” neighborhood) and see how welcome you really are gringa you shouldn’t defend something you know nothing about.
Most of them are now here to wipe the “whites” out of America. Oh and by the way they really want to get rid of all the useless blacks( their words not mine).
morgan, maybe before you make a comment about how ... (show quote)


Well yeah. I'm the 90s we started giving illegals WELFARE.

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Feb 19, 2018 09:00:36   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
debeda wrote:
Well yeah. I'm the 90s we started giving illegals WELFARE.


Most people don’t realize that the govt on both sides has hurt the America worker. Demos for votes and repub for cheap labor. You and I screwed.

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Feb 19, 2018 11:15:30   #
Kazudy
 
whitnebrat wrote:
I've tried to keep an open mind about this president. I truly have. I believe that people can change, and that there is a positive side to almost everyone. Those positions are not only strained to the breaking point in his case, but in many instances have been broken, stomped on and had acid poured on the remains.
To start with, let's talk about the 'Russia thing'. The special counsel has now issued sixteen indictments of Russian operatives, laying out specifics that are hard to deny. His National Security Advisor (privy to the highest levels of intelligence) has said that the information and results of the indictments are 'incontrovertable.' The president didn't deny the facts presented, but attempted to point our attention to "those bright shiny objects over there." From his tweet:
"General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems. Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!"
Item 1: Whether or not the election results were affected by the Russians was not addressed in the indictments. It is still an unknown.
Item 2: Likewise, the indictments said nothing about the possibility of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians.
Item 3: There is no allegation nor proof of collusion between the Clinton campaign and the Russians.
Item 4: Collusion between the DNC and the Russians has not be alleged (other than by the president) nor has any proof been offered.
Item 5: The 'Dirty Dossier' is the result of some hard=nosed intelligence work, and has been verified in many aspects as to its accuracy.
Item 6: 'Uranium' has been debunked so many times that it is hardly worth noting.
Item 7: What speeches?
Item 8: I assume that he's referring to the Clinton server/email controversy, for which Hillary has admitted was a wrong decision, but there is no evidence to prove any loss of classified data.
Item 9: The Podesta Company I guess is referring to the campaign chairman's company, but in what respect and for what reason I can't recall.
As to the idea of collusion, it can take many forms. I doubt that there is any 'smoking gun' that can be pointed to as definitive legal proof of collusion. I'll be the first to say that. There will be no proof.
But all the collateral evidence points to at least tacit approval of the help in molding American public opinion in Russia's favor.

Point: The Russians wanted sanctions relief, and the Trump Tower meeting was all about that.
Point: Immediately after the election, the administration tried to start the lifting process on those sanctions, but was prevented from doing so by Congress.
Point: The president has yet (after over a year in office and a year on the campaign trail) to say a single bad thing about Russia or Vladimir Putin.
Point: The White House routinely refuses to inform the press and public about the numerous phone calls and meetings with Putin. The public usually finds out from the Russian press outlets.
Point: The administration has resisted implementing new sanctions on Russia and has not given a rational explanation as to why it is defying Congress.
All this adds up to significant weight in favor of the theory that the Russians/Putin have some incriminating evidence that they are using as leverage against the President. If you can come up with a better theory, please have at it. I'd love to hear any rational theory that explains this phenomenon.
The president has shown no restraint in trashing both foe and friend alike (both personal and national) and provoking nasty reactions from many. Yet he won't take even the slightest swipe at the Russian government or Putin. There has to be a reason.
Couple this with the fact that more than fifty of his advisors and staff in the West Wing cannot get permanent security clearances but have access to the most highly classified intelligence data. That would imply to me that there are serious security concerns when it comes to possible leaks of that data to Russian operatives. Have any of these people been compromised? Has the President? The President himself gave the Russians some highly classified information when the Russian Foriegn Minister and Ambassador visited the Oval Office for the first time in decades. Oh, and by the way, we had no knowledge of this meeting except through the Russian media.
One of the top Air Force commanders was quoted as saying that the President could not pass the psychological review that all personnel with access to nuclear weapons have to complete successfully. What does this say? Those veterans out there surely would have to weigh in on the negative side of this situation.

But we're stuck with him for another three years. All we can do is try to keep the governmental train from wrecking totally, and rebuilding the whole thing with a new president. Impeachment is not an answer … we'd have an emptier 'suit' in the White House who actually knows how the levers of government are pulled. That would be a disaster of even greater magnitude.
I've tried to keep an open mind about this preside... (show quote)

Oh NO you are not trying to keep an open mind, I stoped reading your post when you say that there is no proof of collusion between Hillary and the Russians. The FBI pointed out that Hillary paid for the dossie with FAKE collusion between Trump and the Russians. Why did you leave that part out?

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Feb 19, 2018 11:27:27   #
debeda
 
Justsss wrote:
Most people don’t realize that the govt on both sides has hurt the America worker. Demos for votes and repub for cheap labor. You and I screwed.


Yep. Agreed!!!

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Feb 19, 2018 12:48:21   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
I'm not the only one ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/opinion/trump-russia-putin.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

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Feb 19, 2018 12:52:52   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Kazudy wrote:
Oh NO you are not trying to keep an open mind, I stoped reading your post when you say that there is no proof of collusion between Hillary and the Russians. The FBI pointed out that Hillary paid for the dossie with FAKE collusion between Trump and the Russians. Why did you leave that part out?

Ummmm ... if I recall correctly, the Dossier was originally started as an oppo research project by the Trump Campaign. For some reason, they discontinued and the Clinton campaign picked it up and finished it. In either case, it has been verified in many instances as to its accuracy, most recently in the indictments that were made public last Friday. Why can't you all accept factual evidence from multiple sources?

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Feb 19, 2018 13:27:13   #
debeda
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Ummmm ... if I recall correctly, the Dossier was originally started as an oppo research project by the Trump Campaign. For some reason, they discontinued and the Clinton campaign picked it up and finished it. In either case, it has been verified in many instances as to its accuracy, most recently in the indictments that were made public last Friday. Why can't you all accept factual evidence from multiple sources?


Your recollection is..........odd. and wrong.

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Feb 19, 2018 13:36:51   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
debeda wrote:
Your recollection is..........odd. and wrong.


We agree to disagree.

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Feb 19, 2018 15:01:41   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
whitnebrat wrote:
I've tried to keep an open mind about this president. I truly have. I believe that people can change, and that there is a positive side to almost everyone. Those positions are not only strained to the breaking point in his case, but in many instances have been broken, stomped on and had acid poured on the remains.
To start with, let's talk about the 'Russia thing'. The special counsel has now issued sixteen indictments of Russian operatives, laying out specifics that are hard to deny. His National Security Advisor (privy to the highest levels of intelligence) has said that the information and results of the indictments are 'incontrovertable.' The president didn't deny the facts presented, but attempted to point our attention to "those bright shiny objects over there." From his tweet:
"General McMaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the Russians and that the only Collusion was between Russia and Crooked H, the DNC and the Dems. Remember the Dirty Dossier, Uranium, Speeches, Emails and the Podesta Company!"
Item 1: Whether or not the election results were affected by the Russians was not addressed in the indictments. It is still an unknown.
Item 2: Likewise, the indictments said nothing about the possibility of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians.
Item 3: There is no allegation nor proof of collusion between the Clinton campaign and the Russians.
Item 4: Collusion between the DNC and the Russians has not be alleged (other than by the president) nor has any proof been offered.
Item 5: The 'Dirty Dossier' is the result of some hard=nosed intelligence work, and has been verified in many aspects as to its accuracy.
Item 6: 'Uranium' has been debunked so many times that it is hardly worth noting.
Item 7: What speeches?
Item 8: I assume that he's referring to the Clinton server/email controversy, for which Hillary has admitted was a wrong decision, but there is no evidence to prove any loss of classified data.
Item 9: The Podesta Company I guess is referring to the campaign chairman's company, but in what respect and for what reason I can't recall.
As to the idea of collusion, it can take many forms. I doubt that there is any 'smoking gun' that can be pointed to as definitive legal proof of collusion. I'll be the first to say that. There will be no proof.
But all the collateral evidence points to at least tacit approval of the help in molding American public opinion in Russia's favor.

Point: The Russians wanted sanctions relief, and the Trump Tower meeting was all about that.
Point: Immediately after the election, the administration tried to start the lifting process on those sanctions, but was prevented from doing so by Congress.
Point: The president has yet (after over a year in office and a year on the campaign trail) to say a single bad thing about Russia or Vladimir Putin.
Point: The White House routinely refuses to inform the press and public about the numerous phone calls and meetings with Putin. The public usually finds out from the Russian press outlets.
Point: The administration has resisted implementing new sanctions on Russia and has not given a rational explanation as to why it is defying Congress.
All this adds up to significant weight in favor of the theory that the Russians/Putin have some incriminating evidence that they are using as leverage against the President. If you can come up with a better theory, please have at it. I'd love to hear any rational theory that explains this phenomenon.
The president has shown no restraint in trashing both foe and friend alike (both personal and national) and provoking nasty reactions from many. Yet he won't take even the slightest swipe at the Russian government or Putin. There has to be a reason.
Couple this with the fact that more than fifty of his advisors and staff in the West Wing cannot get permanent security clearances but have access to the most highly classified intelligence data. That would imply to me that there are serious security concerns when it comes to possible leaks of that data to Russian operatives. Have any of these people been compromised? Has the President? The President himself gave the Russians some highly classified information when the Russian Foriegn Minister and Ambassador visited the Oval Office for the first time in decades. Oh, and by the way, we had no knowledge of this meeting except through the Russian media.
One of the top Air Force commanders was quoted as saying that the President could not pass the psychological review that all personnel with access to nuclear weapons have to complete successfully. What does this say? Those veterans out there surely would have to weigh in on the negative side of this situation.

But we're stuck with him for another three years. All we can do is try to keep the governmental train from wrecking totally, and rebuilding the whole thing with a new president. Impeachment is not an answer … we'd have an emptier 'suit' in the White House who actually knows how the levers of government are pulled. That would be a disaster of even greater magnitude.
I've tried to keep an open mind about this preside... (show quote)


I believe you said "facts is facts." In view of that statement, here is one by Deputy AG Rosenstein:

In a press briefing held shortly after the indictment was announced, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said that there was no allegation in the indictment that “any American” — including members of the Trump campaign — “was a knowing participant in the alleged unlawful activity.”
Rosenstein also said that “there is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.”

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Feb 19, 2018 16:06:35   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
phenry wrote:
Who says you can’t make a sows ear out of a silk purse.
Two points,yuo have tried to keep an open mind,LOL
Stuck with him for three more years........try seven.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/17/opinions/muellers-compelling-story-of-russian-intrigue-to-elect-trump-opinion-callan/index.html

As both a prosecutor and defense attorney, I have written and reviewed many indictments. Though often brimming with legalese, they are designed by prosecutors to tell a compelling and detailed crime story. The indictment announced Friday in the Mueller investigation told just such a story -- of Russian attempts to sabotage the American presidential election.

If the allegations of the indictment prove true, it seems probable that the Russians were successful in their multimillion-dollar effort to influence the election of Donald Trump as president of the United States. Of course the answer to this complex question will never be definitively known. Polling cannot tell us whether voters might have chosen differently if the Russian influence operation hadn't happened.
What is known, however, is that the election was close and voter shifts in just a few significant states could have changed the Electoral College vote count in a presidential election in which Hillary Clinton won the popular vote.



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