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11/14/2017 Sacraments & the Moral Responsibility of Their Recipients

Dave Armstrong
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2017/11/sacraments-moral-responsibility-recipients.html
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(8-26-06) [This was a chapter intended for my book, The One-Minute Apologist (2007), but not included in the final draft]
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2006/07/books-by-dave-armstrong-one-minute.html

SACRAMENTALISM
Catholics believe that sacraments give grace even if one is in unrepentant sin. Isn’t that the point of ex opere operato?

Initial reply:

Sacraments possess an inherent power to give grace, yet the effect is hindered or rendered null and void if the recipient is in serious sin.


Extensive reply:

The Catholic belief about the efficacy of sacraments is expressed by the fancy Latin phrase ex opere operato.

Eminent catechist Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., explains:

Literally the expression means “from the work performed,” stating that grace is always conferred by a sacrament, in virtue of the rite performed and not as a mere sign that grace has already been given.

Or that the sacrament stimulates the faith of the recipient and thus occasions the obtaining of grace, or that what determines the grace is the virtue of either the minister or recipient of a sacrament.

Provided no obstacle (obex) is placed in the way, every sacrament properly administered confers the grace intended by the sacrament.

In a true sense the sacraments are instrumental causes of grace.
(Modern Catholic Dictionary, Garden City, New York, Doubleday & Company, 1980, “Ex Opere Operato,” 201)


The key here is the notion of “obstacle:

Fr. Hardon continues in his entry on “Obex”.
(Ibid., 384):

“These obstacles are mainly a lack of faith, or of the state of grace, or of a worthy intention.”

This is how the Catholic Church harmonizes the dual truths of inherent sacramental efficacy (over against Protestantism and the ancient Donatists) and the corresponding responsibility of the recipient.

Fr. Hardon continues in his entry on “Sacramental Dispositions”
(Ibid., 477):

Condition of soul required for the valid and/or fruitful reception of the sacraments . . .

In the recipient who has the use of reason is required merely that no obstacles be placed in the way.

Such obstacles are a lack of faith or sanctifying grace or of a right intention.

So it is clear that the Church does not teach that the sacraments absolutely “work” in every case, regardless of the person receiving them.

That would be the false opposite extreme from the error of thinking that the sacraments do not transmit grace by their very nature.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church, in its section on ex opere operato.
(#1128), also notes:

“Nevertheless, the fruits of the sacraments also depend on the disposition of the one who receives them.”
The Holy Eucharist, for example, is not to be received by anyone in mortal sin
(based on 1 Corinthians 11:27-30).


The Catechism teaches:
1415 Anyone who desires to receive Christ in Eucharistic communion must be in a state of grace.

Anyone aware of having sinned mortally must not receive communion without having received absolution in the sacrament of penance.


Objection:
But don’t many Catholics often go out and sin, confess and then receive Holy Communion, and do this over and over?

Isn’t that minimizing the seriousness of sin, by virtue of this sort of “mechanical” sacramental system?


Reply to Objection:
Individual Catholics may often fall short, of course, as do Christians in all denominations. But what the Church actually teaches in this regard is that a Catholic going to confession must first exhibit sincere contrition.

Or else the absolution or forgiveness received by the priest is of no effect (never actually occurring), since the necessary conditions to receive it were missing.

The Catechism, citing the Council of Trent, defines contrition, or repentance as “sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed, together with the resolution not to sin again” (#1451), and Fr. Hardon states:

“An act of contrition is required for the remission of sin, whether with or without sacramental absolution” (Ibid., 130).

Someone who is committing the same grave sin continually has obviously not made a serious or sincere resolution to cease. Therefore, he could not actually receive absolution during confession.

The “do whatever you want and just confess it” mentality and caricature of supposed Catholic teaching is thoroughly foreign to how the Church views the sacrament of reconciliation, or confession.

It is just as wrong as the fringe antinomian distortions of “faith alone” among Protestants.


Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy (Sacrosanctum concilium: 12/04/1963):
But in order that the liturgy may be able to produce its full effects it is necessary that the faithful come to it with proper dispositions, that their minds be attuned to their voices, and that they cooperate with heavenly grace lest they receive it in vain.

Pastors of souls must, therefore, realize that, when the liturgy is celebrated, something more is required than the laws governing valid and lawful celebration. It is their duty also to ensure that the faithful take part fully aware of what they are doing, actively engaged in the rite and enriched by it.

Mother Church earnestly desires that all the faithful should be led to that full, conscious, and active participation in liturgical celebrations which is demanded by the very nature of the liturgy . . .

In the restoration and promotion of the sacred liturgy the full and active participation by all the people is the aim to be considered above all else, for it is the primary and indispensable source from which the faithful are to derive the true Christian spirit.

(Chapter 1, I, section 11 and II, section 14; emphasis added; from the 1988 revised edition of the Vatican II documents, edited by Austin Flannery, O.P., 6-8)
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Servant of God Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. (d. 2000), who received me into the Church on this day (2-8-91), heard my wife Judy’s confession, so she could return, and sacramentalized our marriage (due to defect of form). He also baptized our first two sons.

Radiance3

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Growing up in a Catholic School, these are the hurdles I went through. But I feel it rewarding to my life.
I find that Protestants are mostly in disagreement with these Catholic orders

This is familiar with the above presentation of Father John A Hardon, S.J in the same perspectives.

Understanding the 7 Sacraments: The Big Picture
May 21, 2017 By Gretchen Filz

WHAT IS A SACRAMENT?
A sacrament is an outward sign of an invisible spiritual reality. Because humans are a unity of a physical body and a spiritual soul, God uses the means of physical objects and rituals to convey spiritual truths that we cannot detect using our senses.

This outward sign functions as a channel through which God imparts sanctifying grace into the soul. The sacraments are seven in number and have their source in the saving work of Jesus in his passion, death, and resurrection, and were established by Him for the sanctification of every member of His Church.

Sacraments are external rites performed by the Church that we experience both physically and mystically. Through them God imparts actual divine grace (participation in the divine life of the Holy Trinity) which enters into our soul and transforms (sanctifies) us, helping us to live a life pleasing to God so that we can spend eternity with him in heaven.

Through the sacraments the supernatural moral virtues are also infused into our souls, giving us the grace we need to overcome sin and to live a life ruled by faith, hope, and charity with increasing perfection throughout our lives.
In a nutshell, “Sacraments are outward signs of inward grace, instituted by Christ for our sanctification.”
WHY ARE THERE SEVEN?

According the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the sacraments,
“touch all the stages and all the important moments of Christian life: they give birth and increase, healing and mission to the Christian’s life of faith. There is thus a certain resemblance between the stages of natural life and the stages of the spiritual life.”

Because of this broad inclusion of all stages of life from birth to death, it is fitting that there be more than a single sacrament that corresponds to each. This is for our benefit so that we can know that God is always with us, that he sustains us through all the stages of our life, and that his grace is always working to save us through His Church.

The number seven is also a spiritually significant number; it appears in many biblical passages and is associated with perfection or completeness. For example, God rested on the seventh day after creation, there are seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, Jesus spoke seven last words from the Cross, etc.

The Three Sacraments of Initiation into the Catholic Church
The first three sacraments—Baptism, Confirmation, and First Communion—are collectively known as the Sacraments of Initiation into the Catholic Church, “whose unity must be safeguarded” according to the Catholic Catechism. In other words, they are a package deal, so to speak.

The easiest way to understand why there are three Sacraments of Initiation (and not just one) is by viewing them in light of the Holy Trinity. The Holy Trinity is the Christian doctrine of God’s nature: the unity of three Divine Persons in one God—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of the Sacraments of Initiation reveal one of the three Persons of the Holy Trinity.

Baptism is always the first sacrament to be received; it is the gateway into the Church and plants the seed of divine life into our souls, which is then increased by degree through the other sacraments throughout our lives.
The Sacrament of Baptism: The removal of the stain of original sin and becoming a Christian, a son or daughter of God the Father.

The Sacrament of Confirmation: The seal or completion of baptism; the reception of the mark of God the Holy Spirit and His seven sanctifying gifts.

The Sacrament of Holy Communion: The reception of the God the Son in the Holy Eucharist; the body, blood, soul, and divinity of the Incarnate Jesus Christ.

So we see that the three Sacraments of Initiation follow a Trinitarian formula: being received into the divine life of the Triune God through each of the Divine Persons.

According to the Catechism, “The sacraments of Christian initiation—Baptism, Confirmation, and the Eucharist—lay the foundations of every Christian life. The sharing in the divine nature given to men through the grace of Christ bears a certain likeness to the origin, development, and nourishing of natural life. The faithful are born anew by Baptism, strengthened by the sacrament of Confirmation, and receive in the Eucharist the food of eternal life. By means of these sacraments of Christian initiation, they thus receive in increasing measure the treasures of the divine life and advance toward the perfection of charity.” (CCC 1212)

The Other Four Sacraments that Guide Us through Life
From here we can understand the other four sacraments. Once we are received into the Church through the three Sacraments of Initiation, our life within the Church doesn’t stop there. We also regularly receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation or Penance which restores us when, during the course of our life, we through sin fall from the grace we have received in our baptism. Serious sin cuts us off from God’s grace (called a grave sin because it kills God’s divine life in the soul), while sacramental confession restores it.

Next comes the question of our state in life as Christians living in the world. The vocational sacraments are the Sacrament of Holy Matrimony and the Sacrament of Holy Orders. These sacraments impart God’s divine life to those living out a life-long call to marriage or the priesthood.

Finally, at the end of our lives comes sickness and death and the corresponding Sacrament of Healing, also called Anointing of the Sick, Extreme Unction, or Last Rites. It is when we receive the prayer and blessing of the Church to strengthen the soul as we transition from this life to the next. The sacrament is also administered to those who are seriously ill or in danger of death.

***What bothers me by observations, I think many of the Catholic members going to mass, may not have obeyed the 7 Sacraments when receiving the Holy Eucharist.

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Radiance3

What bothers me by observations, I think many of the Protestant members going to church, may not have obeyed the 7 Sacraments when receiving the Holy Eucharist.

Radiance3

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That's true but Protestants don't have the Seven Sacraments.

Not for me to judge, but just my observation.

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Radiance3,

Lutheranism and Anglicanism observe the seven Catholic sacred sacraments They may call it a different name. But It's the Same Thing.

Oh-well that's, what Word Semantics is all about, . . . isn't it . . .


So Protestant Churches e.g. Lutheranism and Anglicanism church, that's why they "Dump" any vestiges of Catholicism . . .

So, hey let's change the name, . . . then we can't say it's Catholic . . . Duuuuh . . .

Beg to differ, look it up on the internet.

Please . . .

Radiance3

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Catholics before taking the Holy Eucharist must have followed the 7th Sacraments.
These are
1. Baptism
2. Confirmation,
3. Holy Eucharist,
4. Confession (reconciliation and penance)
5. Anointing of the Sick
6. Marriage or (Holy Matrimony,)
7. Holy Orders for Bishops, priests and deacons.

The Baptists, and Evangelicals, the 7th Day Adventists, etc. They don't have the 7 holy Sacraments. They don't have confirmation, confession, and the Holy Eucharist. They don't follow the holy matrimony.

The Eastern Orthodox Church believe that there are also seven holy Sacraments.
Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodist, also follow the holy Sacraments.
The Church of England, I believe don't follow the 7 Sacraments. King Henry the VIII married 6 times.

That is why Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and other Catholic pro-abortionists in Congress, cannot take the Holy Communion. I think they must be excommunicated from the Catholic Church for allowing the abortions of innocent babies, and allowing to marry gays/lesbians.

Catholic women or men who are divorced could not take the Holy Communion. When they marry again, they must ensure that they are married to another Catholic, and the prior marriage must be annuled.

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Radiance3

You didn't listen to me, or read what I Posted ?

"The 7 Sacred Sacraments & the Moral Responsibility of Their Recipients."

This means how all Christian faiths that practice the 7 Sacred Sacraments & the Moral Responsibility of Their congregations.

I didn't say all of Protestantism: Did I ?

Lutheranism and Anglicanism. Both the largest protestant churches practice The 7 Sacred Sacraments.

So why are you even arguing and writing about a moot point ? Radiance3 ?


Don't you think that as practicing my Catholic faith, I would know about what is taught in Catholicism ?

Especially the 7 Sacred Sacraments ?

Really . . . Since I know about may patriotic duty as an American.

Do you think . . . I wouldn't know about my Catholic faith . . .

Give me more intelligence and knowledge than that Radiance3.

So now you're religiously lecturing me . . . Come on, I didn't fall off the water knowledge wagon, five miles back in the dust help of Ignorance.


If you want to talk about "The 7 Sacred Sacraments & the Moral Responsibility of Their Recipients."

Fine lets talk about it. Stop with the divergence of the subject at hand.

That's all fundamentalist protestants they get hung up on 500 years of protesting and they are always, right on every Christianity subject.

Thats why there are over 33,000 thousand Protestant denominations, all saying they know everything, and fight amongst them-selves.

Where-as the Orthodox and Catholic Church's has never wavered, on Jesus Christ's, His Apostle's and Early Church Fathers (ECF) teaching and instruction on the 7 Sacred Sacraments of 1,986 years . . .

Kinda is a moot point, don't you think . . .

Radiance3

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I think you have your point. I am not trying to lecture you. Humility is one of the early teachings I learned from school.

May I digress to something else? Do you think the Vatican II is correct? Do you think it has deviated from the original principles of Catholicism? I know that the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus Christ upon Saint Peter, Mt 16:18-20; Jn. 21: 15-17. It has been proven by history, Scriptures, and traditions.

But overtime, there have been many doctrines , principles added by the Vatican which I think not in the original Catholic Church. I am referring to Pope Francis particularly.

I don't mean to debate and argue with you. This is not my major subject, and I believe you know more than I do about this. But I learn slowly as I begin to focus more due to the end time prophesy. I believe that there is God, and the amazing evidence of God is overwhelming. May peace be with you!

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Radiance3,

Thank you.

Being a cradle Catholic, I remember Church spoken in Latin and the priest saying mass with his back to us, not facing the congregation and no alter as all Catholic Churches have now. I can only remember what this Catholic church did, being so young of age.

These were a few major changes that I remember at age 5.

When to Sit, when to Kneel and Stand, and I still miss the century old latin songs not being sung anymore. Now we have more contemporary music, not only the organ, guitar other instruments. etc.

Lets get to the point.

I don't care for Pope Francis's Liberal theology, I prefer the stick in the mud conservative Catholicism.

Pope JPII and Benedict, both JPII Benedict could write, beautiful Christian exhortations. Even you didn't agree with them, the books and Christian messages, they were still inspirational.
For example Francis trying to changing the "Our Father," involvement in countries Political issues e.g. Immigration, and elections. etc.

Pope francis has his hand's tied. . . . he can't change Catholicism on the wind and whim. Francis can't change the Curia, Church canon, and the "Vatican teachings of the Councils" and the teaching arm of the Magisterium

The church still remains the same, with modern cosmetic changes. Thats all Vatican II, did . .

As far Biblical teaching, their were more home Holy Bible reading, more lecture's, teaching to better understand scripture, more writings of the Saints, Doctors, and Popes throughout Church history and interpretation of Scripture that Jesus spoke.

Do you know in the Catholic Mass their is Old Testament reading, a OT Psalm, Gospel reading and a New Testament reading. Then a Homily from a Priest or Deacon to sum-up the teaching that week in the liturgy.

Most especially the "Eucharist," which makes the Paschal Mystery present. (Christ's passion, death and resurrection).

Hence the Catholic Cross. "The summit toward which the activity of the Church is directed; at the same time it is the font from which all her power flows." And on Sunday which is always the day of the Resurrection.


As my family accepted the changes with no problem, we were encouraged to do more home scriptural reading of the Bible an relying solely on devotional writings of the saints though their works and actions, booklets, radio, television etc.

What really happened in Vatican II, is a more discovery and defining of past Catholic teaching and history e.g. Vatican I, etc. and other past Ecumenical councils. These Ecumenical councils happen for a reason, Like the Ecumenical Council of Trent, e.g. The Reformation.

Vatican II was a more openness and acceptances, from both the Eastern Orthodox Church and Protestant denominations and Jewish dialogue and religious freedom.

And a more accurate understanding of scripture and learning of the early Church Fathers as a source of renewal of Catholic faith.


Here is what took place, a continued Catholic "refining and christian renewal" of Catholicism.

Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, Concilium Oecumenicum Vaticanum Secundum (Latin)

Venue of the Second Vatican Council
Date: 11 October 1962 – 8 December 1965
Accepted by Catholic Church
Previous council: First Vatican Council
Convoked by: Pope John XXIII
President Pope John XXIII, Pope Paul VI
Attendance: Up to 2,625

Topics: The Church in itself, its sole salvific role as the one, true and complete Christian faith, also in relation to ecumenism among other religions, in relation to the modern world, renewal of consecrated life, liturgical disciplines, etc.

Here are the specifics of Vatican II.
Four Constitutions:
a. Sacrosanctum Concilium (Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy)
b. Lumen gentium (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church)
c. Dei verbum (Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation)
d. Gaudium et spes (Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World)

Three Declarations:
a. Gravissimum educationis (Declaration on Christian Education)
b. Nostra aetate (Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions)
c. Dignitatis humanae (Declaration on Religious Freedom)

Nine Decrees:
a. Inter mirifica (Decree on the Media of Social Communication)
b. Orientalium Ecclesiarum (Decree on the Catholic Churches of the Eastern Rite)
c. Unitatis redintegratio (Decree on Ecumenism)
d. Christus Dominus (Decree on the Pastoral Office of Bishops in the Church)
e. Perfectae caritatis (Decree on the Adaptation and Renewal of Religious Life)
f. Optatam totius (Decree on Priestly Training)
g. Apostolicam actuositatem (Decree on the Apostolate of the Laity)
h. Ad gentes (Decree on the Mission Activity of the Church)
i. Presbyterorum ordinis (Decree on the Ministry and Life of Priests)

Well that's my take, on Vatican II.

We can talk later on the End of days later, as its getting late.

Your Humility, is much appreciated.

May peace be with you! Also.

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Radiance3

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Doc110, I appreciate and trust your expertise about the Catholic faith.
Hope I am not taking much of your time.

What do you think about this new WikiLeak revelation that Pope Benedict was forced to resign by the group of Soros, Obama, Hillary?

One of the reasons for my asking is, I feel worried and sad that Pope Francis may have deviated some of his principles from the true Catholic doctrine.

I have heard from a report that Pope Francis is in alliance with the UN for "One World Government". That includes Muslims. If that happens, Jesus won't be their God. I've also read a report that Pope Francis thinks that Jesus is only a man. If that happens, I could not follow the Pope Francis. Jesus is the true God.

I also read a report that former State Sec. Henry Kissinger is aware that Obama is being trained to head that One World Government. Do you think this is the end time prophesy?

I liked Pope Benedict, He was more conservative and brilliant. I missed him. I did not understand why he retired soon.

Thanks. I'd appreciate your take on this. Hope you and yours have a blessed Lenten Season!
Note: This was copied from the Upcoming section of today's OPP by SinnieK.

WikiLeaks: Conservative Pope Benedict Was Forced To Resign By ‘Deep State’
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George Soros, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton orchestrated a coup in the Vatican to overthrow conservative Pope Benedict in February 2013, according to WikiLeaks emails.

Pope Benedict became the first pope to resign since Pope Gregory XII in 1415, and the first one to do so on his own initiative since Pope Celestine V in 1294.

Gloria.tv reports: However the group of Catholic leaders cite new evidence uncovered in emails released by WikiLeaks to claim the conservative Pope Benedict did not actually resign on his own initiative, but was pushed out of the Vatican by a coup that the group of researchers are calling the “Catholic Spring.”

Soros, Obama and Clinton used the United States’ diplomatic machinery, political muscle, and financial power to coerce, bribe and blackmail “regime change” in the Roman Catholic Church in order to replace the conservative Benedict with the current Pope Francis – who has since become an unlikely mouthpiece for the international left, stunning Catholics around the world.

Now the group of Catholic leaders have sent a letter to President Trump urging him to launch an official investigation into the activities of George Soros, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (and others) who they allege were involved in orchestrating Catholic Spring that resulted in their goal of “regime change” in the Vatican.

The Catholic leaders cite eight specific questions they seek to have answered concerning suspect events that led to the resignation of Pope Benedict, the first papal abdication in 700 years.

“Specifically, we have reason to believe that a Vatican ‘regime change’ was engineered by the Obama administration,” say the petitioners, in their January 20 letter to President Trump.

“We were alarmed to discover,” their letter notes, “that, during the third year of the first term of the Obama administration your previous opponent, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and other government officials with whom she associated proposed a Catholic ‘revolution’ in which the final demise of what was left of the Catholic Church in America would be realized.”

The letter includes links to documents and news stories underscoring their claims. It first directs attention to the notorious Soros-Clinton-Podesta e-mails disclosed last year by WikiLeaks, in which Podesta and other progressives discussed regime change to remove what they described as the “middle ages dictatorship” in the Catholic Church.

Regarding the Podesta e-mails in question, The New American reported last October:

“Podesta, a longtime Clinton adviser/confidante and hand-picked top activist for left-wing funder George Soros, revealed in a 2011 e-mail that he and other activists were working to effect a “Catholic Spring” revolution within the Catholic Church, an obvious reference to the disastrous “Arab Spring” coups organized that same year by the Obama-Clinton-Soros team that destabilized the Middle East and brought radical Islamist regimes and terrorist groups to power in the region. The Podesta e-mail is a response to another Soros-funded radical — Sandy Newman, founder of the “progressive” Voices for Progress. Newman had written to Podesta seeking advice on the best way to “plant the seeds of the revolution” in the Catholic Church, which he described as a “middle ages [sic] dictatorship.”

In their letter to President Trump, the group of Catholics leaders write: “Approximately a year after this e-mail discussion, which was never intended to be made public, we find that Pope Benedict XVI abdicated under highly unusual circumstances and was replaced by a pope whose apparent mission is to provide a spiritual component to the radical ideological agenda of the international left. The Pontificate of Pope Francis has subsequently called into question its own legitimacy on a multitude of occasions.”

“We remain puzzled by the behavior of this ideologically charged Pope, whose mission seems to be one of advancing secular agendas of the left rather than guiding the Catholic Church in Her sacred mission,” they say, expressing the thoughts of millions of Catholics around the world stunned by Pope Francis’s left-wing ideology. “It is simply not the proper role of a Pope to be involved in politics to the point that he is considered to be the leader of the international left.”

They continue:

“With all of this in mind, and wishing the best for our country as well as for Catholics worldwide, we believe it to be the responsibility of loyal and informed United States Catholics to petition you to authorize an investigation into the following questions:

– To what end was the National Security Agency monitoring the conclave that elected Pope Francis?
– What other covert operations were carried out by US government operatives concerning the resignation of Pope Benedict or the conclave that elected Pope Francis?
– Did US government operatives have contact with the “Cardinal Danneels Mafia”?
– International monetary transactions with the Vatican were suspended during the last few days prior to the resignation of Pope Benedict. Were any U.S. Government agencies involved in this?
– Why were international monetary transactions resumed on February 12, 2013, the day after Benedict XVI announced his resignation? Was this pure coincidence?
– What actions, if any, were actually taken by John Podesta, Hillary Clinton, and others tied to the Obama administration who were involved in the discussion proposing the fomenting of a “Catholic Spring”?
– What was the purpose and nature of the secret meeting between Vice President Joseph Biden and Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican on or about June 3, 2011?
– What roles were played by George Soros and other international financiers who may be currently residing in United States territory?”

The investigation the group of Catholic leaders is requesting of President Trump should be of interest to more than just Catholics. George Soros’s ability to co-opt leading political figures to assist his radical plans for nation states is well known; but his ability to force “regime change” in the Catholic church, an institution previously throught impenetrable from the outside, raises serious questions about his potential for global chaos. The investigation — and punishment — should begin at once

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Radiance3,

Knowing that your efforts are about the End Time. Here's is all the Advice I can give you.

All this is speculation, about Wikileaks, Pope Benedict, Pope Francis, the NWO, Soros, Obama, Hillary?

Benedict abdication his papal position, were due to his failing health and old age.

As far as Francis, there are about 2,600 cardinals and bishops from around the world. I doubt that the NWO has a hold over these many independent Catholic clergy members. "It's like herding cat's." Can"t be done . . .

Here what I've been told about, what the Catholic Church thinks and the Bible say's about the (End Times) from church priests, and Dominican, Franciscans and Jesuit priest's.

Really, it's just about nothing . . . There is nothing as to the year, day, the hour or minutes when the day, come-ith of the Lord?

Jesus never really says, anything. . . . Except too be prepared, as with several of his parables.

Though Jesus does, gives a glimpse as to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Jewish peoples Diaspora around the world.

Revelations from John tells of the ensuing Apocalypse and what will happen during the apocalypse and end of days.


Jesus commands us always be preprepared at all times . . . As a thief in the night.

And to read the sign of the times, as nature and his species do, and example is the lily of the fields, and birds.


The Bible in the Greek Septuagint from the 72 Jewish scholars in Alexandria Egypt never write about the word rapture.

It is missoncruded in the latin Vulgate in Saint Jerome's translation.

I have an article that goes in great detail. Just need to find it.

Their have been so many religious speculations and religion's that say about the end of the world, it's laughable about the time and effort, and wasted reflection spent theorizing the end of the world.

Don't get me wrong, it's interesting stuff. But I have more important things to do, as being a Christian and doing good works for my Salvation, the Faith is already there . . .

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Radiance3

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Thanks Doc110 for your valued time and input. Now I can sleep better. I am prepared, but just confused of so many radical events happening.