ghostgotcha wrote:
Men are scared, and feminists are delighted. But the urge to call out and punish male sexual transgression is bound to clash with an inescapable truth: We’re all in this together, men and women.
Consider what’s happening in the capital of Florida. Female staffers and lobbyists have found “many male legislators will no longer meet with them privately,” reported The Miami Herald. “I had a senator say, ‘I need my aide here in the room because I need a chaperone,’ ” lobbyist Jennifer Green told the paper. “I said, ‘Senator, why do you need a chaperone? . . . Do you feel uncomfortable around me?’ ‘Well,’ he said, ‘anyone can say anything with the door shut.’ ”
“I’m getting the feeling that we’re going back 20 years as female professionals,” said Green, who owns her company. “I fully anticipate I’m going to be competing with another firm that is currently owned by some male, and the deciding factor is going to be: ‘You don’t want to hire a female lobbying firm in this environment.’ ”
This kind of thinking is catching on in aggressively P.C. Silicon Valley, where men are taking to message boards like Reddit to express interest in sex segregation — sometimes labeled “Men Going Their Own Way,” or the “Man-o-Sphere.” How will that work out for women in the tech industry, where they already face substantial challenges?
Across industries, “Several major companies have told us they are now limiting travel between the genders,” Johnny Taylor, president of the Society for Human Resource Management, told the Chicago Tribune, citing execs who tell men not to go on business trips or share rental cars with women co-workers. UCLA psychologist Kim Elsesser, the author of “Sex and the Office,” sees a nascent “sex partition.” If men start to back away from women, at least in professional settings, it’s difficult to see how that will aid the feminist cause.
As is characteristic of movements led by the left in general, #MeToo faces the prospect of being seen to push too far, too fast. Not long ago, the British magazine The Spectator depicted the cause a feminist Reformation, with a modern woman nailing her demands to the door of a church like Martin Luther. These days the entirely justified anger and calls for change are venturing into iconoclasm: Let’s knock over some innocent statues and shatter all those stained-glass windows!
‘Several major companies have told us they are now limiting travel between the genders’
Outraged feminists triggered by “Thérèse Dreaming,” a suggestive 1938 painting of a clothed pubescent girl by the Polish-French artist Balthus, demanded the Metropolitan Museum of Art remove it. (The Met refused, to its credit). Moms are dressing their sons in humiliating “the Future is Female” T-shirts. The women’s Web site Bustle banned the word “flattering” because it implies there’s an ideal shape for a woman, and we all know women aren’t interested in looks.
Writing in The American Interest, Claire Berlinski calls the #MeToo movement “a frenzied extrajudicial warlock hunt that does not pause to parse the difference between rape and stupidity” and “a classic moral panic, one that is ultimately as dangerous to women as to men.” She tells a story about how she just discovered she has a new power: the power to ruin the career of a professor she knew at Oxford who grabbed her butt 20 years ago while drunk at a party. “I was amused and flattered,” she writes, saying, “I knew full well he’d been dying to do that. Our tutorials — which took place one-on-one with no chaperones — were livelier intellectually for that sublimated undercurrent. He was an Oxford don and so had power over me . . . But I also had power over him — power sufficient to cause a venerable don to make a perfect fool of himself at a Christmas party. Unsurprisingly, I loved having that power.”
Reformers should keep her underlying point in mind: Change may be good, but be wary of unintended consequences. Turning men and women into hostile opposing camps is not going to be good for either sex.
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This is topic that frequently exposes the unfair balance of women in the workforce that play along until she doesn't want to play along anymore.. Ideally because someone she may be interested in does not feel the same.. She is then offended..
While I can not speak for the majority of women I will say women have taken it to the extreme and have created this “protection mood” men now seek!!! What else are they to do to try to protect themselves against false allegations of sexual harassment? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? I completely understand the mail thinking right now. Hell, before this surfaced he didn’t even know if he could open the door for a lady who would say thank you or be offended because he had!!
In our endeavor to be an equal we have used Unscrupulous avenues to achieve our goal! Are we then any better than the man we claim discrimination or sexual harrassment against us?? I think not..
Men Will not file a discrimination or sexual harassment claim against a woman because they believe it attacks their virility in being a man or being teased he couldn’t take care of that women in other ways.. etc
I sat on an EEOC panel and know just exactly what goes on between these men and women. I actually had a woman tell me that she felt obligated to participate in the offensive jokes and yes, she had her own but weren’t quite as offensive but that’s what happens in the big boy business, that was her explanation anyway.
While I don’t dismiss the fact that there is a lot of sexual harassment that goes on some of it is initiated by the women. Men should not be automatically assumed guilty of the charge before being asked to resign or terminated. The problem right now is too many men just keep to it rather than defend themselves of the charge. Now if it’s true than he most likely wants to settle out and get out before it gets worse.
Look at the woman’s movement to diminish the man’s role in the business world. These feminist I am telling you are taking it too far. There are certain things that they must except if they’re going to invest their time effort and career in the man’s world.
The women march was one of the Most embarrassing escapades I have ever seen...They, themselves, chose to hang their Vagina around their neck as if that is what makes them valued or important...Is it no wonder they act the way they do with little concern of men, when they don't even respect themself not to reduce themself to their vagina?? I mean seriously how offensive that was for me!!!
I think men, many have become a lot more aware of the issue and most do try to keep it separate and not a part of the business environment. Unfortunately there are the few who make everyone else appear guilty because of their actions. You know that stereotactic the man is doing what he does best sexually harassing someone..
Unfortunately, ghost, I believe the turning of men and women against each other is already in place. Companies don’t want the liability so their policy on sexual-harassment I’m sure is also being changed.
I am appalled at what I see going on and wish more men would to stand up and defend rather than Capitulate !!!! If a women makes an allegation that took place 10,15, 20 years ago that man’s livelihood is now st stake ...He is now at risk and he needs to clear it up, not settle out!! We don’t even know that it’s true yet we’re calling for resignations? If it was so offensive why didn’t they bothered to make reference to it that 10 or 15 20 years ago? Why, because they needed their job and they didn’t want to ruffle the feathers??? Obviously didn’t bother them too much then. Likewise We cannot forget the money aspect also involved. Just like in any of the litigation sometimes people settle because they don’t want to publicity over it, or added attorneys fees that are going to be rather heavy, and they want to move on with their life...
Sorry got too involved here.. JMHO anyway,.,