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Feb 4, 2018 21:15:02   #
moldyoldy
 
Everybody has a phone that records, turn it on if you are alone with a woman.
I have heard of several women who could not get work anymore in Hollywood after turning down the casting couch.

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Feb 5, 2018 10:55:20   #
debeda
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Everybody has a phone that records, turn it on if you are alone with a woman.
I have heard of several women who could not get work anymore in Hollywood after turning down the casting couch.


TRUE. It's everyone's choice what they're willing to give up or compromise for money and fame

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Feb 5, 2018 12:24:24   #
Radiance3
 
ghostgotcha wrote:
Men are scared, and feminists are delighted. But the urge to call out and punish male sexual transgression is bound to clash with an inescapable truth: We’re all in this together, men and women.

Consider what’s happening in the capital of Florida. Female staffers and lobbyists have found “many male legislators will no longer meet with them privately,” reported The Miami Herald. “I had a senator say, ‘I need my aide here in the room because I need a chaperone,’ ” lobbyist Jennifer Green told the paper. “I said, ‘Senator, why do you need a chaperone? . . . Do you feel uncomfortable around me?’ ‘Well,’ he said, ‘anyone can say anything with the door shut.’ ”

“I’m getting the feeling that we’re going back 20 years as female professionals,” said Green, who owns her company. “I fully anticipate I’m going to be competing with another firm that is currently owned by some male, and the deciding factor is going to be: ‘You don’t want to hire a female lobbying firm in this environment.’ ”

This kind of thinking is catching on in aggressively P.C. Silicon Valley, where men are taking to message boards like Reddit to express interest in sex segregation — sometimes labeled “Men Going Their Own Way,” or the “Man-o-Sphere.” How will that work out for women in the tech industry, where they already face substantial challenges?

Across industries, “Several major companies have told us they are now limiting travel between the genders,” Johnny Taylor, president of the Society for Human Resource Management, told the Chicago Tribune, citing execs who tell men not to go on business trips or share rental cars with women co-workers. UCLA psychologist Kim Elsesser, the author of “Sex and the Office,” sees a nascent “sex partition.” If men start to back away from women, at least in professional settings, it’s difficult to see how that will aid the feminist cause.

As is characteristic of movements led by the left in general, #MeToo faces the prospect of being seen to push too far, too fast. Not long ago, the British magazine The Spectator depicted the cause a feminist Reformation, with a modern woman nailing her demands to the door of a church like Martin Luther. These days the entirely justified anger and calls for change are venturing into iconoclasm: Let’s knock over some innocent statues and shatter all those stained-glass windows!

‘Several major companies have told us they are now limiting travel between the genders’

Outraged feminists triggered by “Thérèse Dreaming,” a suggestive 1938 painting of a clothed pubescent girl by the Polish-French artist Balthus, demanded the Metropolitan Museum of Art remove it. (The Met refused, to its credit). Moms are dressing their sons in humiliating “the Future is Female” T-shirts. The women’s Web site Bustle banned the word “flattering” because it implies there’s an ideal shape for a woman, and we all know women aren’t interested in looks.

Writing in The American Interest, Claire Berlinski calls the #MeToo movement “a frenzied extrajudicial warlock hunt that does not pause to parse the difference between rape and stupidity” and “a classic moral panic, one that is ultimately as dangerous to women as to men.” She tells a story about how she just discovered she has a new power: the power to ruin the career of a professor she knew at Oxford who grabbed her butt 20 years ago while drunk at a party. “I was amused and flattered,” she writes, saying, “I knew full well he’d been dying to do that. Our tutorials — which took place one-on-one with no chaperones — were livelier intellectually for that sublimated undercurrent. He was an Oxford don and so had power over me . . . But I also had power over him — power sufficient to cause a venerable don to make a perfect fool of himself at a Christmas party. Unsurprisingly, I loved having that power.”

Reformers should keep her underlying point in mind: Change may be good, but be wary of unintended consequences. Turning men and women into hostile opposing camps is not going to be good for either sex.
Men are scared, and feminists are delighted. But t... (show quote)

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While it is true that some men took advantages of the weakness of women, men must also be concerned of being victimized by those women whose objectives are making lots of money, by victimizing men who are wealthy. The purpose is extortion. Beware, both parties, men and women, please don't be victims of the desires of evil people. Be careful!

Women must assert their rights, and when made as victims, they must come out, be brave to stop the injustices of men. Avoid making yourselves as temptations to men. Be strong, professional, smart, decent, and assertive of your rights. Act right away, fight, to protect yourself and others.

As for men, be very careful of company of women alone. Always have a witness to protect you from being victims of extortion. Women finds suing men for sex allegations always win right or wrong.

But men must now know that there are women who want to make quick fortune by suing wealthy men. They tempt, they bait, and if the men take the bait, then they are trapped like huge catch of fish. Don't be like a huge fish.

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Feb 5, 2018 15:02:54   #
moldyoldy
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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While it is true that some men took advantages of the weakness of women, men must also be concerned of being victimized by those women whose objectives are making lots of money, by victimizing men who are wealthy. The purpose is extortion. Beware, both parties, men and women, please don't be victims of the desires of evil people. Be careful!

Women must assert their rights, and when made as victims, they must come out, be brave to stop the injustices of men. Avoid making yourselves as temptations to men. Be strong, professional, smart, decent, and assertive of your rights. Act right away, fight, to protect yourself and others.

As for men, be very careful of company of women alone. Always have a witness to protect you from being victims of extortion. Women finds suing men for sex allegations always win right or wrong.

But men must now know that there are women who want to make quick fortune by suing wealthy men. They tempt, they bait, and if the men take the bait, then they are trapped like huge catch of fish. Don't be like a huge fish.
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The statute of limitations has expired on most of the complaints, so there is no monetary payoff, maybe some revenge.

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Feb 5, 2018 15:48:49   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
Oh,, I am sure there was some payoff by political rivals.

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Feb 5, 2018 15:57:13   #
moldyoldy
 
out of the woods wrote:
Oh,, I am sure there was some payoff by political rivals.


I was not thinking of trump, he still has a pedophilia case to worry about.

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Feb 5, 2018 17:25:25   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
moldyoldy wrote:
I was not thinking of trump, he still has a pedophilia case to worry about.


"It's the grumpy old troll., who lives under the bridge" Quote from Dora the Explorer song, circa 2006. First thought. Only a few hour till daylight, better go home.

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Feb 25, 2018 13:38:08   #
ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps
 
Alicia wrote:


My spouses never looked at me in those terms and I did look down on those women to accepted the subservient position. Bu they were trained for that position. SAD. Every change begins with a revolution but, in cases like this, perhaps it is necessary.



"Your spouses"? How many? Having a hard time keeping a man around?


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Apr 4, 2018 18:10:54   #
woodguru
 
I don't think cases of men in power positions abusing it are nearly as numerous as it's made out to be. In the majority of cases a guy will put it out there that he's interested, and if the woman isn't she will make it clear and shut it down. An advance made, shut down, never to be referenced again or having penalty to the woman or her career is water under the bridge.

Now the guy that does use the pressure of his position, and follows up rejection with any repercussion at all should be terminated. The only thing to watch for in this is a woman jumping the gun and complaining when no complaint was necessary, and that is not that hard to safeguard against.

Zero tolerance does not mean a guy is going to get fired for asking someone out for a drink after work.

There is an issue here, and pure rejection that there is is part of the problem.

Most companies have rules regarding managers dating those under them, they are there for a reason. I had a woman working for me that tried for months to get me to go out with her. I refused on the grounds that I did not think it was right for me to go out with someone under me, and I knew the company would have a problem. It's a conflict of interest in many ways, including pay scale.

She gave notice, which was disturbing because she was really good and I liked her. She flat out told me that it was the only way I'd go out with her so she was quitting.

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Apr 21, 2018 08:12:33   #
jim_shipley
 
There are going to be a lot more spinsters. 40% of men never marry and that number is raising. There are 10% MORE WOMEN SO ALREADY HALF OF the WOMEN WILL BE SPINSTERS.

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Apr 21, 2018 08:12:35   #
jim_shipley
 
There are going to be a lot more spinsters. 40% of men never marry and that number is raising. There are 10% MORE WOMEN SO ALREADY HALF OF the WOMEN WILL BE SPINSTERS.

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Apr 21, 2018 09:32:14   #
Dr. Evil Loc: In Your Face
 
jim_shipley wrote:
There are going to be a lot more spinsters. 40% of men never marry and that number is raising. There are 10% MORE WOMEN SO ALREADY HALF OF the WOMEN WILL BE SPINSTERS.

Rule of dating-never date a woman who can't fit into your jeans, that leaves out half the females in the country.

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Apr 21, 2018 11:37:27   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
ghostgotcha wrote:
Men are scared, and feminists are delighted. But the urge to call out and punish male sexual transgression is bound to clash with an inescapable truth: We’re all in this together, men and women.

Consider what’s happening in the capital of Florida. Female staffers and lobbyists have found “many male legislators will no longer meet with them privately,” reported The Miami Herald. “I had a senator say, ‘I need my aide here in the room because I need a chaperone,’ ” lobbyist Jennifer Green told the paper. “I said, ‘Senator, why do you need a chaperone? . . . Do you feel uncomfortable around me?’ ‘Well,’ he said, ‘anyone can say anything with the door shut.’ ”

“I’m getting the feeling that we’re going back 20 years as female professionals,” said Green, who owns her company. “I fully anticipate I’m going to be competing with another firm that is currently owned by some male, and the deciding factor is going to be: ‘You don’t want to hire a female lobbying firm in this environment.’ ”

This kind of thinking is catching on in aggressively P.C. Silicon Valley, where men are taking to message boards like Reddit to express interest in sex segregation — sometimes labeled “Men Going Their Own Way,” or the “Man-o-Sphere.” How will that work out for women in the tech industry, where they already face substantial challenges?

Across industries, “Several major companies have told us they are now limiting travel between the genders,” Johnny Taylor, president of the Society for Human Resource Management, told the Chicago Tribune, citing execs who tell men not to go on business trips or share rental cars with women co-workers. UCLA psychologist Kim Elsesser, the author of “Sex and the Office,” sees a nascent “sex partition.” If men start to back away from women, at least in professional settings, it’s difficult to see how that will aid the feminist cause.

As is characteristic of movements led by the left in general, #MeToo faces the prospect of being seen to push too far, too fast. Not long ago, the British magazine The Spectator depicted the cause a feminist Reformation, with a modern woman nailing her demands to the door of a church like Martin Luther. These days the entirely justified anger and calls for change are venturing into iconoclasm: Let’s knock over some innocent statues and shatter all those stained-glass windows!

‘Several major companies have told us they are now limiting travel between the genders’

Outraged feminists triggered by “Thérèse Dreaming,” a suggestive 1938 painting of a clothed pubescent girl by the Polish-French artist Balthus, demanded the Metropolitan Museum of Art remove it. (The Met refused, to its credit). Moms are dressing their sons in humiliating “the Future is Female” T-shirts. The women’s Web site Bustle banned the word “flattering” because it implies there’s an ideal shape for a woman, and we all know women aren’t interested in looks.

Writing in The American Interest, Claire Berlinski calls the #MeToo movement “a frenzied extrajudicial warlock hunt that does not pause to parse the difference between rape and stupidity” and “a classic moral panic, one that is ultimately as dangerous to women as to men.” She tells a story about how she just discovered she has a new power: the power to ruin the career of a professor she knew at Oxford who grabbed her butt 20 years ago while drunk at a party. “I was amused and flattered,” she writes, saying, “I knew full well he’d been dying to do that. Our tutorials — which took place one-on-one with no chaperones — were livelier intellectually for that sublimated undercurrent. He was an Oxford don and so had power over me . . . But I also had power over him — power sufficient to cause a venerable don to make a perfect fool of himself at a Christmas party. Unsurprisingly, I loved having that power.”

Reformers should keep her underlying point in mind: Change may be good, but be wary of unintended consequences. Turning men and women into hostile opposing camps is not going to be good for either sex.
Men are scared, and feminists are delighted. But t... (show quote)


This is topic that frequently exposes the unfair balance of women in the workforce that play along until she doesn't want to play along anymore.. Ideally because someone she may be interested in does not feel the same.. She is then offended..

While I can not speak for the majority of women I will say women have taken it to the extreme and have created this “protection mood” men now seek!!! What else are they to do to try to protect themselves against false allegations of sexual harassment? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? I completely understand the mail thinking right now. Hell, before this surfaced he didn’t even know if he could open the door for a lady who would say thank you or be offended because he had!!

In our endeavor to be an equal we have used Unscrupulous avenues to achieve our goal! Are we then any better than the man we claim discrimination or sexual harrassment against us?? I think not..

Men Will not file a discrimination or sexual harassment claim against a woman because they believe it attacks their virility in being a man or being teased he couldn’t take care of that women in other ways.. etc

I sat on an EEOC panel and know just exactly what goes on between these men and women. I actually had a woman tell me that she felt obligated to participate in the offensive jokes and yes, she had her own but weren’t quite as offensive but that’s what happens in the big boy business, that was her explanation anyway.

While I don’t dismiss the fact that there is a lot of sexual harassment that goes on some of it is initiated by the women. Men should not be automatically assumed guilty of the charge before being asked to resign or terminated. The problem right now is too many men just keep to it rather than defend themselves of the charge. Now if it’s true than he most likely wants to settle out and get out before it gets worse.

Look at the woman’s movement to diminish the man’s role in the business world. These feminist I am telling you are taking it too far. There are certain things that they must except if they’re going to invest their time effort and career in the man’s world.
The women march was one of the Most embarrassing escapades I have ever seen...They, themselves, chose to hang their Vagina around their neck as if that is what makes them valued or important...Is it no wonder they act the way they do with little concern of men, when they don't even respect themself not to reduce themself to their vagina?? I mean seriously how offensive that was for me!!!

I think men, many have become a lot more aware of the issue and most do try to keep it separate and not a part of the business environment. Unfortunately there are the few who make everyone else appear guilty because of their actions. You know that stereotactic the man is doing what he does best sexually harassing someone..

Unfortunately, ghost, I believe the turning of men and women against each other is already in place. Companies don’t want the liability so their policy on sexual-harassment I’m sure is also being changed.

I am appalled at what I see going on and wish more men would to stand up and defend rather than Capitulate !!!! If a women makes an allegation that took place 10,15, 20 years ago that man’s livelihood is now st stake ...He is now at risk and he needs to clear it up, not settle out!! We don’t even know that it’s true yet we’re calling for resignations? If it was so offensive why didn’t they bothered to make reference to it that 10 or 15 20 years ago? Why, because they needed their job and they didn’t want to ruffle the feathers??? Obviously didn’t bother them too much then. Likewise We cannot forget the money aspect also involved. Just like in any of the litigation sometimes people settle because they don’t want to publicity over it, or added attorneys fees that are going to be rather heavy, and they want to move on with their life...

Sorry got too involved here.. JMHO anyway,.,

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Apr 21, 2018 12:10:25   #
debeda
 
lindajoy wrote:
This is topic that frequently exposes the unfair balance of women in the workforce that play along until she doesn't want to play along anymore.. Ideally because someone she may be interested in does not feel the same.. She is then offended..

While I can not speak for the majority of women I will say women have taken it to the extreme and have created this “protection mood” men now seek!!! What else are they to do to try to protect themselves against false allegations of sexual harassment? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? I completely understand the mail thinking right now. Hell, before this surfaced he didn’t even know if he could open the door for a lady who would say thank you or be offended because he had!!

In our endeavor to be an equal we have used Unscrupulous avenues to achieve our goal! Are we then any better than the man we claim discrimination or sexual harrassment against us?? I think not..

Men Will not file a discrimination or sexual harassment claim against a woman because they believe it attacks their virility in being a man or being teased he couldn’t take care of that women in other ways.. etc

I sat on an EEOC panel and know just exactly what goes on between these men and women. I actually had a woman tell me that she felt obligated to participate in the offensive jokes and yes, she had her own but weren’t quite as offensive but that’s what happens in the big boy business, that was her explanation anyway.

While I don’t dismiss the fact that there is a lot of sexual harassment that goes on some of it is initiated by the women. Men should not be automatically assumed guilty of the charge before being asked to resign or terminated. The problem right now is too many men just keep to it rather than defend themselves of the charge. Now if it’s true than he most likely wants to settle out and get out before it gets worse.

Look at the woman’s movement to diminish the man’s role in the business world. These feminist I am telling you are taking it too far. There are certain things that they must except if they’re going to invest their time effort and career in the man’s world.
The women march was one of the Most embarrassing escapades I have ever seen...They, themselves, chose to hang their Vagina around their neck as if that is what makes them valued or important...Is it no wonder they act the way they do with little concern of men, when they don't even respect themself not to reduce themself to their vagina?? I mean seriously how offensive that was for me!!!

I think men, many have become a lot more aware of the issue and most do try to keep it separate and not a part of the business environment. Unfortunately there are the few who make everyone else appear guilty because of their actions. You know that stereotactic the man is doing what he does best sexually harassing someone..

Unfortunately, ghost, I believe the turning of men and women against each other is already in place. Companies don’t want the liability so their policy on sexual-harassment I’m sure is also being changed.

I am appalled at what I see going on and wish more men would to stand up and defend rather than Capitulate !!!! If a women makes an allegation that took place 10,15, 20 years ago that man’s livelihood is now st stake ...He is now at risk and he needs to clear it up, not settle out!! We don’t even know that it’s true yet we’re calling for resignations? If it was so offensive why didn’t they bothered to make reference to it that 10 or 15 20 years ago? Why, because they needed their job and they didn’t want to ruffle the feathers??? Obviously didn’t bother them too much then. Likewise We cannot forget the money aspect also involved. Just like in any of the litigation sometimes people settle because they don’t want to publicity over it, or added attorneys fees that are going to be rather heavy, and they want to move on with their life...

Sorry got too involved here.. JMHO anyway,.,
This is topic that frequently exposes the unfair b... (show quote)


That was a well thought out and excellent summation Linda!

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Apr 23, 2018 17:45:41   #
jim_shipley
 
We need to start calling it by its real name BLACKMAIL. I guess that makes it racest too.

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