My goal for the World.
Jan 28, 2018 06:29:36 #
Wee wee,
Still the the whining crybaby protestant that doesn't know his false christian lutheranism theology. The one and only, fake "Five Solas."
I already showed you and told you why its a false theology.
Can you answer these questions.
So fare the Challenge is out with, you childish immature arrogant know-it-alls . . .
The Catholic Church is so far ahead in Jesus Christ's teaching and instructions, than your crazy simplistic reformation fathers beliefs and practices.
Answer these questions and you get the big prize.
12/31/2017 “Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura.
Joel Peters
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/sola.htm
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-119691-1.html
Here are the Questions and the answers to the 21 questions, summary and foot note's.
There are 21 questions and Reasons to Reject "Sola Scriptura," Misguided Protestant, Evangelical Independent theology.
1. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not taught anywhere in the Bible.
2. The Bible Indicates that In Addition to the Written Word, we are to accept Oral Tradition.
3. The Bible Calls the Church and not the Bible the "Pillar and Ground of the Truth.”
4. Christ tells us to submit to the Authority of the Church.
5. Scripture itself states that it is insufficient of itself as a teacher, but rather needs an interpreter.
6. The first Christians did not have a Bible.
7. The Church produced the Bible not vice-versa.
8. The idea of the Scripture's Authority existing apart from the authority of the Teacher Church is utterly foreign to the Early Church.
9. Heresiarchs and heretical movements based their doctrines on Scripture interpreted apart from Tradition and the Magisterium.
10. The Canon of the Bible was not settled until the 4th Century.
11. An "Extra-Biblical" Authority Identified the Canon of the Bible.
12. The Belief that Scripture is "Self-Authenticating" Does Not Hold Up under Examination.
13. None of the Original Biblical Manuscripts is Extant.
14. The Biblical Manuscripts Contain Thousands of Variations.
15. There Are Hundreds of Bible Versions.
16. The Bible Was Not Available to Individual Believers until the 15th Century.
17. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Did Not Exist Prior to the 14th Century.
18. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Produces Bad Fruit, Namely, Division and Disunity.
19. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Does Not Allow for a Final, Definitive Interpretation of any given Passage of Scripture.
20. The Protestant Bible Is Missing 7 Entire Books.
21. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Had its Source in Luther’s Own Emotional Problems.
If not Wee wee, go soak your insults in your own wounds of despair and blackness of evil thought . . . . forever in hell for eternity.
Now that is a curse . . .
Your a fool you are Wee wee.
Still the the whining crybaby protestant that doesn't know his false christian lutheranism theology. The one and only, fake "Five Solas."
I already showed you and told you why its a false theology.
Can you answer these questions.
So fare the Challenge is out with, you childish immature arrogant know-it-alls . . .
The Catholic Church is so far ahead in Jesus Christ's teaching and instructions, than your crazy simplistic reformation fathers beliefs and practices.
Answer these questions and you get the big prize.
12/31/2017 “Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura.
Joel Peters
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/sola.htm
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-119691-1.html
Here are the Questions and the answers to the 21 questions, summary and foot note's.
There are 21 questions and Reasons to Reject "Sola Scriptura," Misguided Protestant, Evangelical Independent theology.
1. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura is not taught anywhere in the Bible.
2. The Bible Indicates that In Addition to the Written Word, we are to accept Oral Tradition.
3. The Bible Calls the Church and not the Bible the "Pillar and Ground of the Truth.”
4. Christ tells us to submit to the Authority of the Church.
5. Scripture itself states that it is insufficient of itself as a teacher, but rather needs an interpreter.
6. The first Christians did not have a Bible.
7. The Church produced the Bible not vice-versa.
8. The idea of the Scripture's Authority existing apart from the authority of the Teacher Church is utterly foreign to the Early Church.
9. Heresiarchs and heretical movements based their doctrines on Scripture interpreted apart from Tradition and the Magisterium.
10. The Canon of the Bible was not settled until the 4th Century.
11. An "Extra-Biblical" Authority Identified the Canon of the Bible.
12. The Belief that Scripture is "Self-Authenticating" Does Not Hold Up under Examination.
13. None of the Original Biblical Manuscripts is Extant.
14. The Biblical Manuscripts Contain Thousands of Variations.
15. There Are Hundreds of Bible Versions.
16. The Bible Was Not Available to Individual Believers until the 15th Century.
17. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Did Not Exist Prior to the 14th Century.
18. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Produces Bad Fruit, Namely, Division and Disunity.
19. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Does Not Allow for a Final, Definitive Interpretation of any given Passage of Scripture.
20. The Protestant Bible Is Missing 7 Entire Books.
21. The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Had its Source in Luther’s Own Emotional Problems.
If not Wee wee, go soak your insults in your own wounds of despair and blackness of evil thought . . . . forever in hell for eternity.
Now that is a curse . . .
Your a fool you are Wee wee.
Jan 28, 2018 07:12:15 #
Peewee
Loc: San Antonio, TX
Gee Doc, you want to put me at a disadvantage from the start, by only using Catholic writings. Nice try, lets use the Torah and Bible to debate. You know, the one we both say our faith originated from. Which you have already violated by calling me a fool. Answer me this, which is to be taken more seriously, the original foundation documents or your combo pagan/Christian doctrine ? Let's use the Dead Sea scrolls which has vindicated the accuracy of the modern Torah and Protestant Bible to be pretty accurate with a few minor translation errors. It seems you only read Catholic doctrine and seldom read the scriptures, and if there is a conflict you go with the doctrine versus the scriptures. Your move.
Jan 28, 2018 15:06:08 #
Wee wee,
When your ignorant, of history and compounding that ignorance with false biblical Protestant doctrine.
Hell doesn't sound that far away, does it . . .
To put it in perspective, your at a helluva disadvantage right now . . . It's all, your own making . . . That's because of . . .
The curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19 . . . And the Curse of "Sola Scriptura."
1. Show where "Self Interpretation," is taught the Bible, Torah, the Talmud or the in the Septuagint Translation of the Hebrew Bible and other books into the Greek language, or in the New Testament Bible ? It's not there . . . Nor Did Jesus Christ teach this, or the Holy Spirit, and Nor God The Father . . . So your wrong on all three counts . . .
The curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19
a. Even the Jewish Rabbi's know's that "Self Interpretation" this is not acceptable Scripturally. That's why the Rabbi's and Jewish Scholars interpret the Torah for the Jewish people.
b. Jesus Christ with his Jewish foundation and his Christian foundation of his True Church The Catholic Church. Jesus spoke in parables and had to further teach his disciples. His disciple had to teach the Early Church Fathers and so on . . . so forth.
Till this very day, the Pope, Bishops, Cardinals and Priests and Deacons continue to rely on Christian Catholic Magisterium Christ centered teaching and has not changed for over One Thousand Nine Hundred and Eighty Six years. That is 1,986 years . . . oc sound containous Christ centered Magisterium doctrine.
2. Peewee, And I'd like you prove Biblically and Scripturally.
Where the Christian Catholic Church is a pagan/Christian doctrine. Remberer when you attack Christians then you are attacking the Protestant churches at the same time . . . There is a fine line here . . .
Please, No baseless Chick tracts compost, sound biblical references and scripture not taken out of context, but as Whole paragraphs and multiple biblical verses that support your false sudo-Protestant doctrine.
Might I suggest reading some of the Early Church Fathers (ECF) and their bishop discipleship and written doctrine.
Beause if you don't include the (ECF) I will hammer you with these facts . . . over and over again . . .
Your evangelical piddly church, and your Protestant Sola Scriptura is lucky to have 100 years of doctrine of Church teaching.
Your Protestantism continues to fragment daily because of "Self Interpretation," 33,000 Protestant divisions, sects and denominations that can't agree on anything.
Your Going against Jesus's expressed word . . . That we are to remain as one . . . And the curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19
Yeah I'd say your at a helluva disadvantage . . . And we haven't even come to Christian Catholic doctrine yet.
Apologetic's doesn't seem your strong personal disposition here, Wee wee . . . .
Moving forward here Wee wee. . .
Since the Catholic Church has been the caretaker of the Old and New Testament Bible and the roughly 400 years Oral Traditions of the New Testament Bible. Since 400 A.D. the Bible has been codified with 73 Books, and the 1517 Protestant bible just has 66 books.
Catholic and Orthodox call these books the Deuterocanonical books (meaning a second canon). Protestants call them "The Apocrypha" (from the Greek meaning "hidden"). These were in plain sight for over 2000 years. They were edited out of the Bible by the Protestant reformers. And that's is why . . .
1) Maccabees
2)Tobit
3)Judith
4)Wisdom of Solomon
5)Bara Sirach
6)Baruch
In addition to this, the protestants also removed several parts from the existing 39 books of their OT such as:
a. *After Daniel 3,23- the Prayer of Azariah and the three Young Men, who were put in the fire by the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar
b. *Story of Susanna in 64 verses (Chapter 13 of the Book of Daniel) c. *The Bel and the Dragon (Chapter 14 of the Book of Daniel)
d. *Some parts of Esther. e. *Psalms 151
Now why is that ? After 1,117 years did they remove these books ? By What authority ?
Here are the Protestant Reasons:
1)The books that were removed supported such things as:
• Prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12; 2 Maccabees 12:39-45)
• Purgatory (Wisdom 3:1-7)
• Intercession of saints in heaven (2 Maccabees 15:14)
• Intercession of angels (Tobit 12:12-15)
We all know the reason why ? Self interpretation again . . . Sola Scriptura it rears it's ugly head once again. Try and remember the curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19
2)Catholic and Orthodox Christians follow the Older version/canon of the Jewish Scriptures (OT) which was in Greek*.
a. While Protestants follow the New Masoretic Hebrew Text, which was a new canon or version invented by the Jews in 7th Century Ad (a new version of Old Testament 7 centuries After Christ!). Because the Judaism is a dead religion. . . No animal sacrifice required by Moses.
So Jewish scholars, philosophers etc. switched to Greek from Hebrew, just like we deal more in English than in Malayalam these days.
So the Scripture that was written down in the last 400 years Before Christ were all in Greek. The Greek Old Testament (Septuagint) is the worlds oldest surviving version of the OT, the Dead sea scrolls are in the same Greek (Septuagint).
Jewish Council removes the 7 books after AD 90!
The difference in the Old Testaments actually goes back to the time before and during Christ’s life. At this time, there was no official Jewish canon of scripture.
So Wee wee this is a moot point your making . . . on the differ Jewish different translation 90 A. D. 600 A.D.
As Christians, . . . Do we go by the Jewish Bible OT ? Or do we go by the Catholic Greek translation (Septuagint).
You didn't know this Wee wee ? Did you?
So you don't know your history. . . and Biblical theological foundations and you have been following false Protestant doctrine . . . all your life.
So all current Jewish translations are a mute point, that's because the Jewish people don't believe in Jesus Christ son of, Bar Joseph of Nazareth as their Messiah. The Old Testament only complements the New Testament.
The Old Testament complements the New Testament the Catholic three legged stool. Old testament Bible, New Testament Bible, Sacred oran traditions e.g. the Christ centered Catholic teaching arm, The Magisterium.
Thats because Jesus Christ Is the New Testament, is the last sacrifice lamb. As in Moses exodus where sacrificial lamb's blood was put on the Lentil doorway to ward of the Angel of Death . . . And the "Dead Jewish religion" and destruction of the Jewish temple and animal sacrifice and the Veil of the Holy of Holy's was torn.
Because the Jewish people Rejected the Messiah Jesus Christ. The New Covenant for His Christians people . . .
The New covenant was spoken by Jesus Christ many times.
Jesus Christ is the New testament and the New Covenant.
Christians don't come under Hebrew-Jewish religious torah law's except, The Ten Commandments and some other God's teachings.
So the debate or retort is the Catholic based bible, . . . and not the 7th Century Jewish version, Ad (a new version of Old Testament 600 A.D. centuries After Christ!). Now used Protestant bibles . . . Do you see how far the Protestants have strayed from the Catholic and the Orthodox Bible.
"Peewee," Here are sobering reminder, and Heed these biblical words from "Holy Inspired Words from God," . . . and Saint John . . . The Apocalypse . . .
The curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19
The Jews removed 7 books that meant ERASING 400 years of history. It also helped them to deny their Messiah-Jesus Christ.
The protestants removed these 7 books because they supported Christian practises such as, e.g.
• Prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12; 2 Maccabees 12:39-45)
• Purgatory (Wisdom 3:1-7)
• Intercession of saints in heaven (2 Maccabees 15:14)
• Intercession of angels (Tobit 12:12-15)
Revelations 22:18,19 : “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book:
If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy.
God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
"Revelations 22:18,19"
Looks like your pretty well dammed . . . and no salvation in Heaven. So your at a helluva disadvantage right now . . . It's all your own making and believing in . . . Protestant Sola Scriptura.
Some mere thought on this subject the curse, e.g. Revelations 22:18,19.
“If our Bible should contain the unbroken Word of God from the Beginning of the World (Genesis) towards the End of the World (Book of Revelation) how can then there be a silence for 400 years before Jesus Christ's birth? And another thing, because the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church for 400 hundred years until the Holy Bible was compiled at the Council of Nicea.
Summary: What Really Happened at Nicea?
http://www.equip.org/article/what-really-happened-at-nicea/
The Council of Nicea is often misrepresented by cults and other religious movements. The actual concern of the council was clearly and unambiguously the relationship between the Father and the Son. Is Christ a creature, or true God? The council said He was true God.
Yet, the opponents of the deity of Christ did not simply give up after the council’s decision. In fact, they almost succeeded in overturning the Nicene affirmation of Christ’s deity. But faithful Christians like Athanasius continued to defend the truth, and in the end, truth triumphed over error.
Removing books from the Bible is a serious matter, and is specifically condemned in Revelation 22.19.
When the authority for this removal depends specifically upon those who rejected the Christian message, perhaps it is time to question the basis of this change
Nevertheless, if we take the Deutero-canonical Books as the Word of God then there is no break at all. They tell us how God interacted with His people during the Inter testamental period of 400 years.
Thus the Deutercanonical Books makes a good bridge between the Old and the New Testament period.
We also understand the Judaism of the time of Jesus in a better way if we read those books.
When your ignorant, of history and compounding that ignorance with false biblical Protestant doctrine.
Hell doesn't sound that far away, does it . . .
To put it in perspective, your at a helluva disadvantage right now . . . It's all, your own making . . . That's because of . . .
The curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19 . . . And the Curse of "Sola Scriptura."
1. Show where "Self Interpretation," is taught the Bible, Torah, the Talmud or the in the Septuagint Translation of the Hebrew Bible and other books into the Greek language, or in the New Testament Bible ? It's not there . . . Nor Did Jesus Christ teach this, or the Holy Spirit, and Nor God The Father . . . So your wrong on all three counts . . .
The curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19
a. Even the Jewish Rabbi's know's that "Self Interpretation" this is not acceptable Scripturally. That's why the Rabbi's and Jewish Scholars interpret the Torah for the Jewish people.
b. Jesus Christ with his Jewish foundation and his Christian foundation of his True Church The Catholic Church. Jesus spoke in parables and had to further teach his disciples. His disciple had to teach the Early Church Fathers and so on . . . so forth.
Till this very day, the Pope, Bishops, Cardinals and Priests and Deacons continue to rely on Christian Catholic Magisterium Christ centered teaching and has not changed for over One Thousand Nine Hundred and Eighty Six years. That is 1,986 years . . . oc sound containous Christ centered Magisterium doctrine.
2. Peewee, And I'd like you prove Biblically and Scripturally.
Where the Christian Catholic Church is a pagan/Christian doctrine. Remberer when you attack Christians then you are attacking the Protestant churches at the same time . . . There is a fine line here . . .
Please, No baseless Chick tracts compost, sound biblical references and scripture not taken out of context, but as Whole paragraphs and multiple biblical verses that support your false sudo-Protestant doctrine.
Might I suggest reading some of the Early Church Fathers (ECF) and their bishop discipleship and written doctrine.
Beause if you don't include the (ECF) I will hammer you with these facts . . . over and over again . . .
Your evangelical piddly church, and your Protestant Sola Scriptura is lucky to have 100 years of doctrine of Church teaching.
Your Protestantism continues to fragment daily because of "Self Interpretation," 33,000 Protestant divisions, sects and denominations that can't agree on anything.
Your Going against Jesus's expressed word . . . That we are to remain as one . . . And the curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19
Yeah I'd say your at a helluva disadvantage . . . And we haven't even come to Christian Catholic doctrine yet.
Apologetic's doesn't seem your strong personal disposition here, Wee wee . . . .
Moving forward here Wee wee. . .
Since the Catholic Church has been the caretaker of the Old and New Testament Bible and the roughly 400 years Oral Traditions of the New Testament Bible. Since 400 A.D. the Bible has been codified with 73 Books, and the 1517 Protestant bible just has 66 books.
Catholic and Orthodox call these books the Deuterocanonical books (meaning a second canon). Protestants call them "The Apocrypha" (from the Greek meaning "hidden"). These were in plain sight for over 2000 years. They were edited out of the Bible by the Protestant reformers. And that's is why . . .
1) Maccabees
2)Tobit
3)Judith
4)Wisdom of Solomon
5)Bara Sirach
6)Baruch
In addition to this, the protestants also removed several parts from the existing 39 books of their OT such as:
a. *After Daniel 3,23- the Prayer of Azariah and the three Young Men, who were put in the fire by the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar
b. *Story of Susanna in 64 verses (Chapter 13 of the Book of Daniel) c. *The Bel and the Dragon (Chapter 14 of the Book of Daniel)
d. *Some parts of Esther. e. *Psalms 151
Now why is that ? After 1,117 years did they remove these books ? By What authority ?
Here are the Protestant Reasons:
1)The books that were removed supported such things as:
• Prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12; 2 Maccabees 12:39-45)
• Purgatory (Wisdom 3:1-7)
• Intercession of saints in heaven (2 Maccabees 15:14)
• Intercession of angels (Tobit 12:12-15)
We all know the reason why ? Self interpretation again . . . Sola Scriptura it rears it's ugly head once again. Try and remember the curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19
2)Catholic and Orthodox Christians follow the Older version/canon of the Jewish Scriptures (OT) which was in Greek*.
a. While Protestants follow the New Masoretic Hebrew Text, which was a new canon or version invented by the Jews in 7th Century Ad (a new version of Old Testament 7 centuries After Christ!). Because the Judaism is a dead religion. . . No animal sacrifice required by Moses.
So Jewish scholars, philosophers etc. switched to Greek from Hebrew, just like we deal more in English than in Malayalam these days.
So the Scripture that was written down in the last 400 years Before Christ were all in Greek. The Greek Old Testament (Septuagint) is the worlds oldest surviving version of the OT, the Dead sea scrolls are in the same Greek (Septuagint).
Jewish Council removes the 7 books after AD 90!
The difference in the Old Testaments actually goes back to the time before and during Christ’s life. At this time, there was no official Jewish canon of scripture.
So Wee wee this is a moot point your making . . . on the differ Jewish different translation 90 A. D. 600 A.D.
As Christians, . . . Do we go by the Jewish Bible OT ? Or do we go by the Catholic Greek translation (Septuagint).
You didn't know this Wee wee ? Did you?
So you don't know your history. . . and Biblical theological foundations and you have been following false Protestant doctrine . . . all your life.
So all current Jewish translations are a mute point, that's because the Jewish people don't believe in Jesus Christ son of, Bar Joseph of Nazareth as their Messiah. The Old Testament only complements the New Testament.
The Old Testament complements the New Testament the Catholic three legged stool. Old testament Bible, New Testament Bible, Sacred oran traditions e.g. the Christ centered Catholic teaching arm, The Magisterium.
Thats because Jesus Christ Is the New Testament, is the last sacrifice lamb. As in Moses exodus where sacrificial lamb's blood was put on the Lentil doorway to ward of the Angel of Death . . . And the "Dead Jewish religion" and destruction of the Jewish temple and animal sacrifice and the Veil of the Holy of Holy's was torn.
Because the Jewish people Rejected the Messiah Jesus Christ. The New Covenant for His Christians people . . .
The New covenant was spoken by Jesus Christ many times.
Jesus Christ is the New testament and the New Covenant.
Christians don't come under Hebrew-Jewish religious torah law's except, The Ten Commandments and some other God's teachings.
So the debate or retort is the Catholic based bible, . . . and not the 7th Century Jewish version, Ad (a new version of Old Testament 600 A.D. centuries After Christ!). Now used Protestant bibles . . . Do you see how far the Protestants have strayed from the Catholic and the Orthodox Bible.
"Peewee," Here are sobering reminder, and Heed these biblical words from "Holy Inspired Words from God," . . . and Saint John . . . The Apocalypse . . .
The curse of Revelations: Revelations 22:18,19
The Jews removed 7 books that meant ERASING 400 years of history. It also helped them to deny their Messiah-Jesus Christ.
The protestants removed these 7 books because they supported Christian practises such as, e.g.
• Prayers for the dead (Tobit 12:12; 2 Maccabees 12:39-45)
• Purgatory (Wisdom 3:1-7)
• Intercession of saints in heaven (2 Maccabees 15:14)
• Intercession of angels (Tobit 12:12-15)
Revelations 22:18,19 : “I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book:
If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy.
God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
"Revelations 22:18,19"
Looks like your pretty well dammed . . . and no salvation in Heaven. So your at a helluva disadvantage right now . . . It's all your own making and believing in . . . Protestant Sola Scriptura.
Some mere thought on this subject the curse, e.g. Revelations 22:18,19.
“If our Bible should contain the unbroken Word of God from the Beginning of the World (Genesis) towards the End of the World (Book of Revelation) how can then there be a silence for 400 years before Jesus Christ's birth? And another thing, because the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church for 400 hundred years until the Holy Bible was compiled at the Council of Nicea.
Summary: What Really Happened at Nicea?
http://www.equip.org/article/what-really-happened-at-nicea/
The Council of Nicea is often misrepresented by cults and other religious movements. The actual concern of the council was clearly and unambiguously the relationship between the Father and the Son. Is Christ a creature, or true God? The council said He was true God.
Yet, the opponents of the deity of Christ did not simply give up after the council’s decision. In fact, they almost succeeded in overturning the Nicene affirmation of Christ’s deity. But faithful Christians like Athanasius continued to defend the truth, and in the end, truth triumphed over error.
Removing books from the Bible is a serious matter, and is specifically condemned in Revelation 22.19.
When the authority for this removal depends specifically upon those who rejected the Christian message, perhaps it is time to question the basis of this change
Nevertheless, if we take the Deutero-canonical Books as the Word of God then there is no break at all. They tell us how God interacted with His people during the Inter testamental period of 400 years.
Thus the Deutercanonical Books makes a good bridge between the Old and the New Testament period.
We also understand the Judaism of the time of Jesus in a better way if we read those books.
Peewee wrote:
br br Gee Doc, you want to put me at a disadvant... (show quote)
Jan 28, 2018 15:09:09 #
Martin Luther’s aversion to Scripture.
http://members.aol.com/johnprh/deuterocanonical2.html
check out this article, it is informative:-
Martin Luther had developed his theory that only those books that taught his Dogma of Justification by Faith Alone should be accepted as part of the canon.
However, he didn’t work out this theory until after he had lost a debate with a Catholic (either Cardinal Cajetan in 1518 or Johann Eck of Ingolstadt in 1519 AD), when 2 Maccabees 12:43-45 was quoted to refute Martin Luther’s “Faith Alone.”
The book of James contradicts Luther’s principle of Justification by Faith Alone.
James 2:24 says “See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.”
Rather than change his theology, Luther just denied that, James the Apostle, was the author of James and removed it from his canon.
Writing of Apostle James, he says, “He does violence to scripture and so contradicts Paul and all of scripture.
He tries to accomplish by emphasizing law what the Apostles bring about by attracting men to love. I therefore refuse him a place among the writers of the true canon of my Bible.”
Luther challenged an Apostle in such a crude way and said such insulting things about James’s ability to write (which was guided by the Holy Spirit.)
In Luther’s commentary on Book of Revelations he wrote, “Everyone may make up his own mind as regards this book. As for me, I have a personal aversion to it and that is enough.”
72, 73, 74 or 75?
The Book of Maccabees are sometimes split up into 4, since its pretty large.
In some Bible’s there is 1 Maccabees and 2 Maccabees. In other it can go upto 4 Maccabees.
If we take Maccabees as 1 book, there will be only 72 books. If we take them as 4, then there will be 75.
This is a source for confusion for many, as different websites show different numbers.
The reason is only this.
Scripture used by the Apostles.
The Apostles quoted from the Septuagint many times. You will not find many of these verses in the protestant bible:-
http://www.geocities.com/aprofaith/bible.htm
Heb 11:35, “…Others were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they might find a better resurrection.”
The only place in the O.T. that you will find reference to that is 2 Macc
7:1-29. The first half of Heb 11:35 is found in 1 Kings 17:23 and 2 Kings 4:36.
Heb 11:38, “They wandered in deserts and mountains…”
This is found in 1 Macc 2:28-30 and 2 Macc 5:27.
Jn 10:22, “Now there took place at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication…” The inauguration of this feast is found in 1Macc 4:36 & 52-59.
Jn 14:23, “…If anyone love Me, he will keep My word…” This is in Sir 2:18.
Rom 9:21, ” is not the potter master of his clay…” Found in Wis 15:7
1Pet 1:6-7, “…gold which is tried by fire…” See Wis 3:5-6
Rom 1:20-23, “For since the creation of the world…” Found in Wis 13:1-7
Mt 7:12, Lk 6:31, “…all that you wish men to do to you, even so do you also to them…” Extension of Tob 4:15
Lk 25 35-36, “I was hungry and you gave me food….I needed clothes and you clothed me.” Based on Tob 4:16.
Rev 21:18, “And the material of its wall was jasper; but the city itself was pure gold, like pure glass.” See Tob 13 end.
Mt 13:43, “Then the just will shine forth…” Found in Wis 3:7
Mt 27:42, “…if He is the King of Israel, let Him come down now from the cross…” See Wis 2:18-20.
Lk 24:4, “…two men stood by them in dazzling raiment.” Found in 2 Macc 3:26.
Rom 11:33, “…How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable are His ways.” Found in Judith 8:14.
1 Cor 10:20, “…they sacrifice to demons, not to God…” Found in Baruch 4:7.
Removing books from the Bible is a serious matter, and is specifically condemned in Revelation 22.19.
When the authority for this removal depends specifically upon those who rejected the Christian message, perhaps it is time to question the basis of this change
http://members.aol.com/johnprh/deuterocanonical2.html
check out this article, it is informative:-
Martin Luther had developed his theory that only those books that taught his Dogma of Justification by Faith Alone should be accepted as part of the canon.
However, he didn’t work out this theory until after he had lost a debate with a Catholic (either Cardinal Cajetan in 1518 or Johann Eck of Ingolstadt in 1519 AD), when 2 Maccabees 12:43-45 was quoted to refute Martin Luther’s “Faith Alone.”
The book of James contradicts Luther’s principle of Justification by Faith Alone.
James 2:24 says “See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.”
Rather than change his theology, Luther just denied that, James the Apostle, was the author of James and removed it from his canon.
Writing of Apostle James, he says, “He does violence to scripture and so contradicts Paul and all of scripture.
He tries to accomplish by emphasizing law what the Apostles bring about by attracting men to love. I therefore refuse him a place among the writers of the true canon of my Bible.”
Luther challenged an Apostle in such a crude way and said such insulting things about James’s ability to write (which was guided by the Holy Spirit.)
In Luther’s commentary on Book of Revelations he wrote, “Everyone may make up his own mind as regards this book. As for me, I have a personal aversion to it and that is enough.”
72, 73, 74 or 75?
The Book of Maccabees are sometimes split up into 4, since its pretty large.
In some Bible’s there is 1 Maccabees and 2 Maccabees. In other it can go upto 4 Maccabees.
If we take Maccabees as 1 book, there will be only 72 books. If we take them as 4, then there will be 75.
This is a source for confusion for many, as different websites show different numbers.
The reason is only this.
Scripture used by the Apostles.
The Apostles quoted from the Septuagint many times. You will not find many of these verses in the protestant bible:-
http://www.geocities.com/aprofaith/bible.htm
Heb 11:35, “…Others were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they might find a better resurrection.”
The only place in the O.T. that you will find reference to that is 2 Macc
7:1-29. The first half of Heb 11:35 is found in 1 Kings 17:23 and 2 Kings 4:36.
Heb 11:38, “They wandered in deserts and mountains…”
This is found in 1 Macc 2:28-30 and 2 Macc 5:27.
Jn 10:22, “Now there took place at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication…” The inauguration of this feast is found in 1Macc 4:36 & 52-59.
Jn 14:23, “…If anyone love Me, he will keep My word…” This is in Sir 2:18.
Rom 9:21, ” is not the potter master of his clay…” Found in Wis 15:7
1Pet 1:6-7, “…gold which is tried by fire…” See Wis 3:5-6
Rom 1:20-23, “For since the creation of the world…” Found in Wis 13:1-7
Mt 7:12, Lk 6:31, “…all that you wish men to do to you, even so do you also to them…” Extension of Tob 4:15
Lk 25 35-36, “I was hungry and you gave me food….I needed clothes and you clothed me.” Based on Tob 4:16.
Rev 21:18, “And the material of its wall was jasper; but the city itself was pure gold, like pure glass.” See Tob 13 end.
Mt 13:43, “Then the just will shine forth…” Found in Wis 3:7
Mt 27:42, “…if He is the King of Israel, let Him come down now from the cross…” See Wis 2:18-20.
Lk 24:4, “…two men stood by them in dazzling raiment.” Found in 2 Macc 3:26.
Rom 11:33, “…How inscrutable are His judgments and how unsearchable are His ways.” Found in Judith 8:14.
1 Cor 10:20, “…they sacrifice to demons, not to God…” Found in Baruch 4:7.
Removing books from the Bible is a serious matter, and is specifically condemned in Revelation 22.19.
When the authority for this removal depends specifically upon those who rejected the Christian message, perhaps it is time to question the basis of this change
Jan 28, 2018 18:54:30 #
Peewee
Loc: San Antonio, TX
Gee Doc, you sure are windy. Why don't we take bite sized bits since you feel so superior to me and leave out the "too much info".
Rev 22: 18 & 19 Where did I add or delete anything to the Bible. I didn't. I have never translated a Bible in my life. I'm not a scribe. When the plain text makes sense and is easily understood to mean what it states why are you accusing me of altering God's word? Not guilty.
I have read the early church fathers and all the books that have been removed to include one you left out, Enoch. I hope with all your learning that you know there were two Enoch's, one good and one bad.
I wasn't at the council of Nicea and didn't get to vote on that one.
I appreciate you taking so long to respond and research your reply. Not sure if it was to help edify me or crush me. It did neither.
As to needing the Catholic Church or the Rabbi's to tell poor average stupid people like me that a man or woman, made in the image of God, is incapable of understanding scripture is pretty demeaning to God's creation. Don't you think so?
Doesn't Acts 17:11 say to search the scriptures to see if someone is telling it like it is, and being a good Berean? Explain to me when during the dark ages when many could neither read or write. Priest used Latin that could not be understood by the locals? I mean you are trying to teach them and save their souls aren't you? Not control them by burning them at the stake, right?
As far as trying to scare me will hell fire and damnation with Rev 22, may I refer you to Matt 5:22 But whoever says 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire. So, I guess we're both dammed by your enlightened knowledge. Which, by the way, will not save your soul.
I think I've told you before Doc, you've got a lot of head knowledge and I respect that. But Jesus said and I quote Matt 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
Now that is pretty straight forward and easy to understand w/o a priest or rabbi explaining it to me or any average person. I mean let's be honest, of learning there is no end. We never ever understand it or learn it all.
I'm pretty sure King David made it to Heaven, yet he committed some pretty serious sins, but he was a man after God's own heart and that's what got him in.
FYI we know about Nathan the prophet but just recently the writings of Gad the Seer were discovered in India and I've read that too.
Just a side question, if I may. Do you think we are close to the End of Days? Cloning, micro chips, AI, Trump moving our embassy to Jerusalem, Temple and animal sacrifices can't be too far behind, red heifer herd for ashes, temple objects and garments are ready, did you know that they have found the Ark of the Covenant, they're fussing about the location of the temple also, some say it is the Roman Antonio Fortress (wailing wall) and others say it's at the Gihon Springs. I really would like to hear your opinion because I love prophecy.
Would rather be friends, but if you won't admit your church has some serious problems and has had them for a long time, I doubt we could be best buds, but, iron sharpens iron they say.
Your turn and try to use your inside voice when you reply. Your other voice is like finger nails on a chalk board. You're not better, smarter or superior to me so stop acting like it. We just have different talents and view points.
Rev 22: 18 & 19 Where did I add or delete anything to the Bible. I didn't. I have never translated a Bible in my life. I'm not a scribe. When the plain text makes sense and is easily understood to mean what it states why are you accusing me of altering God's word? Not guilty.
I have read the early church fathers and all the books that have been removed to include one you left out, Enoch. I hope with all your learning that you know there were two Enoch's, one good and one bad.
I wasn't at the council of Nicea and didn't get to vote on that one.
I appreciate you taking so long to respond and research your reply. Not sure if it was to help edify me or crush me. It did neither.
As to needing the Catholic Church or the Rabbi's to tell poor average stupid people like me that a man or woman, made in the image of God, is incapable of understanding scripture is pretty demeaning to God's creation. Don't you think so?
Doesn't Acts 17:11 say to search the scriptures to see if someone is telling it like it is, and being a good Berean? Explain to me when during the dark ages when many could neither read or write. Priest used Latin that could not be understood by the locals? I mean you are trying to teach them and save their souls aren't you? Not control them by burning them at the stake, right?
As far as trying to scare me will hell fire and damnation with Rev 22, may I refer you to Matt 5:22 But whoever says 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire. So, I guess we're both dammed by your enlightened knowledge. Which, by the way, will not save your soul.
I think I've told you before Doc, you've got a lot of head knowledge and I respect that. But Jesus said and I quote Matt 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
Now that is pretty straight forward and easy to understand w/o a priest or rabbi explaining it to me or any average person. I mean let's be honest, of learning there is no end. We never ever understand it or learn it all.
I'm pretty sure King David made it to Heaven, yet he committed some pretty serious sins, but he was a man after God's own heart and that's what got him in.
FYI we know about Nathan the prophet but just recently the writings of Gad the Seer were discovered in India and I've read that too.
Just a side question, if I may. Do you think we are close to the End of Days? Cloning, micro chips, AI, Trump moving our embassy to Jerusalem, Temple and animal sacrifices can't be too far behind, red heifer herd for ashes, temple objects and garments are ready, did you know that they have found the Ark of the Covenant, they're fussing about the location of the temple also, some say it is the Roman Antonio Fortress (wailing wall) and others say it's at the Gihon Springs. I really would like to hear your opinion because I love prophecy.
Would rather be friends, but if you won't admit your church has some serious problems and has had them for a long time, I doubt we could be best buds, but, iron sharpens iron they say.
Your turn and try to use your inside voice when you reply. Your other voice is like finger nails on a chalk board. You're not better, smarter or superior to me so stop acting like it. We just have different talents and view points.
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