PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

I realize most on OPP will not read this simply because it is from The New York Times.
Try to read it anyway.
It's a very realistic assessment of the current fad of declaring Trump "nuts", and how that is really irrelevant.
The editorial board ends with the wisest advice of all. If you don't like Trump, then get off your keester and vote.


http://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/opinion/is-mr-trump-nuts.html?emc=edit_th_20180111&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=37695634

Kevyn

Don’t worry the illustrious pumpkinfurher tweeted that he was not only not nuts but like really, really smart. It’s obvious to just about anyone he is as crazy as a rat on crack.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Paul, with all due respect, it is my opinion that anyone who chooses to live in NYC, LA, SF, CHIRAQ, or any other big city is nuts.

I've dealt with a lot of East Coasters over the years, and they are direct, brash, bullish, and generally extremely rude when it comes to getting what they want. Of course, I'm dealing with truck drivers, dispatchers, etc. But that's the mentality of people who live in a giant fishbowl. You make noise, and talk shit till you get your way. They don't always win, though. They didn't with me with that attitude.
But I'm a laid back kinda guy. Till I have to not be!
And yeah, Trump is one of those people. Just a brash, in your face, asshole who wants his way. He hasn't made me mad so far. He might on immigration, but we'll see.

Is he mentally fit for office? I say yes. We need an asshole with a mouth, controlled temper, and a backbone right now.
Everbodies spent the last 8 years giving hugs, and demanding hugs. Well, sometimes, some of us need a little tough love, Paul.
A kick to the nuts, or backhand across the face can do wonders when appropriately, and properly provided.

Don't worry.....it won't hurt for long, and you'll feel better for it!

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia

List your accomplishments next to his. He's got more smarts in his little toenail than you gave in your whole body.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

I disagree. The organs in his body are highly intelligent. They keep it running without the main one.....the brain.
He is a physical/psychological anomaly.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

LOL...that was funny.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Okay, Paul, I read that obviously biased pile of Pelosi and think just what you thought I would. I am sure glad that don't have to accept the words of doctors about my heart, who have never seen me. As it is I have to see them along with records for them to make decisions about the organ. I do wonder how many of these "wise men" have ever seen Trump and got to make decisions based on something other than left leaning writers.

I do not think the man is crazy but they tried to prove just that without a lot of words about his honest state. I wonder if all of them would have wanted Hillary to be judged before the election.

wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia

I'll have to look up some of those words before I know if it's funny.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Just to be clear, oldroy, I hadn't really given much thought to what you or anyone else might think of this opinion piece. I just wanted to share it.

It's worthwhile, though, to point out that the NYT Editorial Board seems to agree that it's inappropriate to make a medical/psychological diagnosis of Trump without a personal examination.

And to reiterate what the piece called out in closing, if anyone doesn't like Trump or his ideas then their obligation is to vote. I think we both can agree on that part.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Psychiatrists say Trump mentally ill
Jon Rappoport ~ January 11, 2018
This originally appeared at NoMoreFakeNews.com on January 10, 2018.
— After investigating psychiatry for two decades, I’m confident that, if we could go back and rewrite history, deleting all psychiatrists on the planet, so they’d never exist — deleting their diagnoses and their drugs — this would have resulted in a massive upsurge in mental health, moving forward —

The Daily Mail: “A group of leading psychiatrists told a conference that Donald Trump has clear hallmarks of mental illness that compromise his role as president. Twenty-five researchers made a drastic break away from ethical standards by meeting at Yale University on Thursday to discuss evidence questioning the commander-in-chief’s mental health.”

Psychiatrist Allen Frances, who has played a central role in defining mental disorders, disagrees. He wrote in the NY Times: “Most amateur diagnosticians have mislabeled (Mr. Trump as having) narcissistic personality disorder. He may be a world-class narcissist, but this doesn’t make him mentally ill.”

Dr. Frances makes an interesting point. He distinguishes between behavior and earning a badge for having a particular mental disorder.

For example, a person can be sad, but that alone doesn’t make him a candidate for the label, “clinical depression.” A person can take aggressive actions against authority, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he is suffering from Oppositional Defiance Disorder.

Consider the accusation that Trump has Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). What does that mean? What is the official definition of NPD? Here is an excerpt from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), the official bible of the American Psychiatric Association. Go ahead, plow through it, it’ll only take a minute:

The definition of NPD states that it comprises of a persistent manner of grandiosity, a continuous desire for admiration, along with a lack of empathy. It starts by early adulthood and occurs in a range of situations, as signified by the existence of any 5 of the next 9 standards (American Psychiatric Association, 2013):

• A grandiose logic of self-importance
• A fixation with fantasies of infinite success, control, brilliance, beauty, or idyllic love
• A credence that he or she is extraordinary and exceptional and can only be understood by, or should connect with, other extraordinary or important people or institutions
• A desire for unwarranted admiration
• A sense of entitlement
• Interpersonally oppressive behavior
• No form of empathy
• Resentment of others or a conviction that others are resentful of him or her
• A display of egotistical and conceited behaviors or attitudes”

“…No actual physical characteristics are seen with NPD, but patients may have concurrent substance abuse, which may be seen in the clinical examination.”

Got it? Now, think about this: NOWHERE IN THE DEFINITION IS THERE ANY DEFINING DIAGNOSTIC TEST.

No blood test, urine test, saliva test, brain scan, genetic assay. Nothing.

What you’ve just read is a collection of behaviors. This collection was assembled by a committee of psychiatrists, who decided that, taken together, they added up to a mental disorder.

There is no defining diagnostic test for NPD.

We’re talking about psychiatrists sitting in a room and arbitrarily deciding that a cluster of behaviors adds up to an official mental disorder.

These psychiatrists are playing word games. They’re inventing so-called mental disorders.

Underneath this story about Trump and the shrinks, there is a far more important truth. Psychiatrists are world-class purveyors of fake news. They always have been. Because you see…

None of the roughly 300 officially certified and labeled mental disorders has a defining diagnostic test. None.

If you have the tenacity, read through the whole psychiatric DSM bible and you will see for yourself.

Or read this brief exchange. In a PBS Frontline episode, “Does ADHD Exist?” Dr. Russell Barkley, an eminent professor of psychiatry and neurology at the University of Massachusetts Medical Center, spelled out the fraud clearly.

Here it is.

PBS FRONTLINE INTERVIEWER: Skeptics say that there’s no biological marker—that it [ADHD] is the one condition out there where there is no blood test, and that no one knows what causes it.

BARKLEY: That’s tremendously naïve, and it shows a great deal of illiteracy about science and about the mental health professions. A disorder doesn’t have to have a blood test to be valid. If that were the case, all mental disorders would be invalid…There is no lab test for any mental disorder right now in our science. That doesn’t make them invalid.

Oh, indeed, that does make them invalid. Utterly and completely. All 300 mental disorders. Because there are no defining tests of any kind to back up the diagnosis.

Psychiatrists can sway and tap dance all they like and they won’t escape the noose around their necks. We are looking at a science that isn’t a science.

That’s called fraud. Rank fraud.

Imagine this. You walk into a doctor’s office, you talk with him for a few minutes, and then he says: “You have cancer. You need to start chemo at once.”

After you recover, you say, “You didn’t give me a test.”

And he says, “Well, we don’t need a test. We know what the symptoms are because we convened a high-level meeting of oncologists last year, and we listed the answers to the questions I just asked you. You gave those telltale answers so we start chemo tomorrow. We may also need to surgically remove an organ or two before we’re done.”

That’s psychiatry. That’s the way it works.

Those boys have quite a con going. And now, from a few hundred miles away, they’ve diagnosed a sitting president.

Well, why wouldn’t they? They’ve been shucking and jiving all the way to the bank for the entirety of their professional lives.

Do you like Trump? Do you hate him? Do you think he’s nuts? Sane? Whatever you believe, it has nothing to do with the official pronouncements of psychiatry.

Psychiatry has become an arm of technocracy—an attempt to organize society according to a list of so-called mental disorders parading as science.

Psychiatry is fake science that can be used to discredit, minimize, accuse, deride, treat (with alarmingly toxic drugs), and eliminate any individual for any reason.

Now that is a good example of insanity. Of the criminal variety.

Kevyn

I tell the truth, have not cheated on my wife, have only been married once, have never cheated my employees out of money they earned, have never gone bankrupt or screwed people who loaned me money, never hired undocumented immigrants, have never sexually assaulted or harassed women and don’t play grab ass with my daughter. I also speak in complete sentences.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

And if you have done any of that in your heart, which we ALL have, you might as well have done it you self-righteous hypocrite!

“You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell...

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart..."

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Yeah, but, what have you accomplished? And, are you saying people who have been married more than once are bad, oh pillar of morality?

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Sorry, Arch, but Trump's list of accomplishments pales in comparison to his failures.