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Dec 20, 2017 12:51:03   #
kemmer
 
pafret wrote:
If the document was requested because it potentially contained the evidence required then redaction eliminates the possibility of ascertaining the truth. There is no way to determine the motives of the redactor, nor his competence in discerning the difference between non-pertinent information and that which is relevant.

The redactor cannot be compelled to testify under oath and the security laws provide a too convenient blanket to conceal whatever truth is not palatable to the individuals controlling the source of information. That said, members of Congress have the proverbial loose lips; their staffs have no vetting and they have no skills at keeping State secrets as that, secret. In fact, they will leak such information whenever it is politiically expedient to do so, i.e., when they can benefit from such leaks personally.
If the document was requested because it potential... (show quote)


Plus, the Republicans had recently vetoed additional funds for consular security.

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Dec 20, 2017 14:05:49   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
If I remember correctly, it was Gowdy's Benghazi investigation that led to his subpoena of Hillary's State Department Emails. That action led to the FBI investigation and Hillary's House of Cards collapsing... which is still coming down on her.

Gowdy could be credited with finally bringing Crooked Hillary... down

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Dec 20, 2017 14:12:40   #
kemmer
 
Ferrous wrote:
If I remember correctly, it was Gowdy's Benghazi investigation that led to his subpoena of Hillary's State Department Emails. That action led to the FBI investigation and Hillary's House of Cards collapsing... which is still coming down on her.

Gowdy could be credited with finally bringing Crooked Hillary... down


Never going to happen.

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Dec 20, 2017 14:29:06   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
kemmer wrote:
Plus, the Republicans had recently vetoed additional funds for consular security.


Six years ago in 2011... It was Patrick Kennedy in the State Department that turned down Ambassador Stevens repeated calls for more security.

Libs can't blame Trump for this one.

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Dec 20, 2017 14:44:56   #
kemmer
 
Ferrous wrote:
Six years ago in 2011... It was Patrick Kennedy in the State Department that turned down Ambassador Stevens repeated calls for more security.

Libs can't blame Trump for this one.


No one blames Trump! Jeez!

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Dec 20, 2017 14:53:09   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
kemmer wrote:
Umm... Maybe the redacted stuff had nothing to do with trying to "prove" Clinton was personally and criminally responsible for the attack, and probably ordered it?


I have this bridge in Brooklyn.........

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Dec 20, 2017 14:56:34   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
kemmer wrote:
Umm... Maybe the redacted stuff had nothing to do with trying to "prove" Clinton was personally and criminally responsible for the attack, and probably ordered it?


Ha,ha,ha ........yeah right Kemmer ,maybe lol

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Dec 20, 2017 14:56:38   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
kemmer wrote:
Plus, the Republicans had recently vetoed additional funds for consular security.


Not for that particular area. There were plenty of forces standing by which could have been deployed.

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Dec 20, 2017 17:15:01   #
PLT Sarge Loc: Alabama
 
Not that it matters, but no. 85' I was an E4 specialist. Between then an 88 I made E5 buck sergeant. Made E7 platoon sergeant in 03. Turned down E8 1st sergeant twice. All I wanted was to train and push troops, in the field and ditches with them. Not push a desk in an office. I loved being in the field.
kemmer wrote:
You were a sergeant all that time?

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Dec 21, 2017 09:46:53   #
kemmer
 
Loki wrote:
Not for that particular area. There were plenty of forces standing by which could have been deployed.


They were in Italy. Please catch up!

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Dec 21, 2017 10:41:16   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
kemmer wrote:
They were in Italy. Please catch up!


The distance from Aviano to Benghazi is about 1100 miles. That's about 4 hours in a C-130. There were refueling facilities at Sigonella, Italy about halfway there. The assets never received an order to deploy. How about you catch up? I guess your heroes were too busy concocting a bullsh*t story about some video no one ever heard of.

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Dec 21, 2017 11:10:37   #
kemmer
 
Loki wrote:
The distance from Aviano to Benghazi is about 1100 miles. That's about 4 hours in a C-130. There were refueling facilities at Sigonella, Italy about halfway there. The assets never received an order to deploy. How about you catch up? I guess your heroes were too busy concocting a bullsh*t story about some video no one ever heard of.


In 4 hours the building was in flames and the personnel were dead or dying. You have a problem with logistics.

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Dec 21, 2017 12:01:23   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
kemmer wrote:
In 4 hours the building was in flames and the personnel were dead or dying. You have a problem with logistics.


You have a problem with facts, the attacks occurred over an eight hour time frame. "It was about seven and a half hours after that initial attack started that former Navy Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed by terrorist mortars fired on the Annex."

If you want the details of the time line and where the attacks occurred, see this link.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/why-obama-sent-no-rescue-benghazi-lasted-8-hours-was-over-30-minutes

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Dec 21, 2017 13:52:10   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
pafret wrote:
You have a problem with facts, the attacks occurred over an eight hour time frame. "It was about seven and a half hours after that initial attack started that former Navy Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed by terrorist mortars fired on the Annex."

If you want the details of the time line and where the attacks occurred, see this link.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/why-obama-sent-no-rescue-benghazi-lasted-8-hours-was-over-30-minutes




This from the BBC.....

facts....

Here is the timeline of events that US officials believe led to the death of US ambassador Christopher Stevens, his state department colleague Sean Smith and former Navy Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.

10pm: Attackers open fire at the consulate, which has a main building and a smaller annex.

10.15pm: The assailants gain entry to the complex and the main building is engulfed in flames.

Many of those trapped inside escape but Ambassador Stevens, Sean Smith and a regional security guard remain.

The security guard manages to escape and returns shortly afterwards with others to try to rescue Mr Stevens and Mr Smith.

They find Mr Smith dead and pull him from the building, but no sign of Mr Stevens. They are driven from the building by thick black smoke, fire and gunfire.

10.45pm: Security staff try to retake the main building but come under heavy fire and retreat.

11.20pm: A second attempt to retake the main building is successful. Fighting moves to the annexe.

Midnight: Fighting at the annexe - reported to last about two hours - results in the deaths of two more Americans, later named by US authorities as former Navy Seals whose job was to protect the other staff.

1.15am: Mr Stevens arrives at a nearby hospital - it is not known who took him. A doctor there has told the BBC that he spent an hour trying to revive him, but that Mr Stevens died from smoke inhalation.

2.30am: Security forces regain control of the annexe.

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Dec 21, 2017 14:54:28   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
kemmer wrote:
In 4 hours the building was in flames and the personnel were dead or dying. You have a problem with logistics.


You have a problem with arithmetic. We won't get into the reality issues. The attacks began about 9:30 PM, and did not end until after 4:00AM the following morning. We also had aircraft available that could have gotten there in far less time than a troop transport. There is also the matter of repeated requests for additional security before the attacks which were refused. Do not try and blame budget cuts, as there were plenty of security personnel available on as as needed basis. Help was available before the attack, and could have gotten there in time after the attacks began.

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