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Dec 17, 2017 11:13:19   #
kemmer
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
tgards79: Trump's approval rating is skyrocketing with the productive individuals that keep this Country own it's keel!!!!!!!


Yep. Trump's approval rating has skyrocketed all the way up to 32%.

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Dec 17, 2017 15:01:28   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
kemmer wrote:
Yep. Trump's approval rating has skyrocketed all the way up to 32%.


kemmer: Tell the lie....keep telling it...tell it loud.... tell it often; and eventually the masses, including you will believe it! It's right out of the cultural communist playbook....you're favorite best seller!

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Dec 17, 2017 17:02:50   #
deenie61
 
roy wrote:
Wait till seniors start finding out about how their fixing to get screwed in the new tax plan. Oh the votes that will be lost in 2018,and 2020.


Disabled vets are going to have a tough time too, less or no help with equipment they need and more.

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Dec 17, 2017 17:31:38   #
Kazudy
 


Only in the eyes of the pinko commie Liberal's. We his supporters stand with him. Anyway ain't those the same peoples that said Hillary was going to win.

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Dec 17, 2017 17:33:32   #
kemmer
 
deenie61 wrote:
Disabled vets are going to have a tough time too, less or no help with equipment they need and more.


There's no way the GOP is going to pay for the corporate tax cuts without chopping into Social Security and Medicare.

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Dec 17, 2017 17:37:02   #
kemmer
 
Kazudy wrote:
Only in the eyes of the pinko commie Liberal's. We his supporters stand with him. Anyway ain't those the same peoples that said Hillary was going to win.


Ain't those the same people who said the world was flat?
Aren't the terms "commie" and "liberal" self-cancelling?

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Dec 17, 2017 17:40:59   #
Richard94611
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
floyd: I disagree....the future is now looking just great! The usurper is history!!!!!


You are delusional. You can start your education back to sanity by reading the following:

America still hasn't reckoned with the election of a reckless con man as president

By ARIEL DORFMAN
DEC 17, 2017 | 4:00 AM

America still hasn't reckoned with the election of a reckless con man as president
President Donald J. Trump speaks in Pensacola, Florida, on Dec 8. (Dan Anderson/EPA-EFE)

I'm tired of hearing about how Russia intervened in the recent U.S. election and tired of the talk about collusion, and I'm especially fed up with the speculation that all this will doom the Trump presidency.

My weariness is not due to a lack of indignation at how a foreign country covertly helped a reckless con man become president. And I would certainly celebrate if the uncovering of crimes forced President Trump to abandon the White House and slink back to his tower. But I fear that the Russia investigations — and the hope that they will save the republic — are turning too many opponents of this administration into passive, victimized spectators of a drama performed by remote actors over which they have no control.

The psychic, intellectual and emotional energy expended on this issue would be better employed, I believe, by addressing a more fundamental concern: What was it, what is it, in our American soul that allowed the Russians to be successful?
Russians voting in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin [didn't hand] the election to the Republican candidate by a bit more than 80,000 votes.

Those were not Russians voting in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, handing the election to the Republican candidate by a bit more than 80,000 votes. They were American men and women. As were the 62,984,825 others who decided that such a troublesome, inflammatory figure expressed their desires and dreams. Trump could be impeached or resign, or his policies could simply implode under the weight of their malice, divisiveness and mendacity, and the country would still be defined and pressed by the same conditions and dread that enabled his rise. America would still need to engage in a process of national self-scrutiny to fathom how such a nightmare could have been avoided, how it can be prevented from happening again.

Such a process will prove arduous and gut-wrenching. I should know. As a Chilean who is now also an American citizen, I went through a similar grueling quest to comprehend the origins of another political disaster: the 1973 overthrow of the Chilean people's peaceful revolution and its leader, Salvador Allende. I had to learn that attributing that tragedy to foreign entities did not alleviate or overcome it.

In 1973, a military coup against Allende, the democratically elected president of Chile, terminated an extraordinary experiment in social and economic justice. The assault was aided and abetted by the United States. For many years after the coup, I dwelled on Washington's responsibility for the brutal dictatorship of Gen. Augusto Pinochet.
And yet, some years after Pinochet's depradations forced me to flee Chile with my wife and our first son, I stopped automatically alluding to America's role in my country's misfortune. I continued to be outraged by the invasion of our sovereignty, which had also occurred in places as diverse as Guatemala, Iran and Indonesia. But I realized that obsessing about what America had done was delaying a more imperative obligation: to minutely, painfully, collectively examine what had gone awry in my own land. How could our attempt to build a nation free of exploitation have paved the way for a tyrannical regime?

It took many years for the self-criticism to bear fruit, but without it the followers of Allende could never have built a coalition with the Christian Democrats, many of whose members were fierce opponents of the revolution's radical measures. They had at first thoughtlessly welcomed the coup. Our coalition beat Pinochet in a 1988 plebiscite and then voted into office a center-left president two years later. Since then, Chile has organized five more presidential elections. Yet another will take place Sunday, and whatever its outcome, Chileans can be certain that our democracy is robust enough not to be fooled by foreign intelligence agencies.
As an immigrant who has embraced America as his home, I would hope that my compatriots here might be inspired by the way Chile went about healing its wounds. Our confusion and angst forced us to look deep inside our despair, and deeper still into the enigmas and abyss of history in search of a response to the Pinochet tragedy. The fundamental ethical work went beyond politics and intellectual theories to more personal, more intimate, more piercing territory. Chileans had to think ourselves out of our crisis.
Such a process of inquiry and exorcism began in the U.S. soon after the election, with no lack of culprits to blame. And yet so far the multiple, conflicting theories and explanations for
Trump's startling victory have not produced a common national narrative that might unify the opposition and point the way forward.
Now, every desperate American must gaze in the mirror and interrogate the puzzled face and puzzling fate that stares back: What did I do or not do that made the cataclysm possible? Did I ignore past transgressions that corrode today's society: the discrimination, the sexism, the violence, the authoritarianism, the intolerance, the imperial ambitions, the slavery and greed and persecutions that have darkened America's story? Did I overestimate the strength of our democracy and underestimate the decency of my neighbors? Was I too fearful, too complacent, too impatient, too angry? Whom did I not talk to, whom did I not persuade? What privilege and comforts, what overwork and debts, kept me from giving my all? What injustice or humiliation or bigoted remark did I witness and let pass? How can I help to recover our country, make it once more recognizable, make it luminous and forgiving?

We must vigorously protest the president's craven actions, but above all we need to acknowledge that what ultimately matters is not what a foreign power did to America, but what America did to itself. The crucial question of what is wrong with our country, what could have driven us to this edge of catastrophe, cannot be resolved by a special counsel or a Democratic takeover of the House of Representatives or spectacular revelations about Russia's interference.
Our inevitable moment of reckoning should be seen as an opportunity rather than an obstacle. Thomas Paine, that foreigner, that immigrant, that subversive who loved America, said it best in December of 1776, as his adopted homeland's inaugural revolution was in danger of being defeated: "Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph."

I cannot guess whether we will be spirited enough to find the consolatory answers to our crisis. What I do not doubt, as America cries out for a second and much needed revolution, is that a long night of searching lies ahead of us.


Ariel Dorfman is the author of "Homeland Security Ate My Speech" and the forthcoming novel "Darwin's Ghosts." He lives with his wife Angélica in Chile and in Durham, N.C., where he is professor emeritus of literature at Duke University.

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Dec 17, 2017 19:24:20   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
floyd: I disagree....the future is now looking just great! The usurper is history!!!!!


Well it is going to be a very interesting time in 2018.

I see things a bit different than you.

All I see coming out of government is just a lot hot air & more B.S. & it won't be getting any better from either Major Political Party.

We will meet on these pages as time goes by & keep posting what is going on.

I do wish you well.
Because no matter how we view the issue we do face most of the same problems.

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Dec 17, 2017 21:52:39   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Richard94611 wrote:
You are delusional. You can start your education back to sanity by reading the following:

America still hasn't reckoned with the election of a reckless con man as president

By ARIEL DORFMAN
DEC 17, 2017 | 4:00 AM

America still hasn't reckoned with the election of a reckless con man as president
President Donald J. Trump speaks in Pensacola, Florida, on Dec 8. (Dan Anderson/EPA-EFE)

I'm tired of hearing about how Russia intervened in the recent U.S. election and tired of the talk about collusion, and I'm especially fed up with the speculation that all this will doom the Trump presidency.

My weariness is not due to a lack of indignation at how a foreign country covertly helped a reckless con man become president. And I would certainly celebrate if the uncovering of crimes forced President Trump to abandon the White House and slink back to his tower. But I fear that the Russia investigations — and the hope that they will save the republic — are turning too many opponents of this administration into passive, victimized spectators of a drama performed by remote actors over which they have no control.

The psychic, intellectual and emotional energy expended on this issue would be better employed, I believe, by addressing a more fundamental concern: What was it, what is it, in our American soul that allowed the Russians to be successful?
Russians voting in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin [didn't hand] the election to the Republican candidate by a bit more than 80,000 votes.

Those were not Russians voting in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, handing the election to the Republican candidate by a bit more than 80,000 votes. They were American men and women. As were the 62,984,825 others who decided that such a troublesome, inflammatory figure expressed their desires and dreams. Trump could be impeached or resign, or his policies could simply implode under the weight of their malice, divisiveness and mendacity, and the country would still be defined and pressed by the same conditions and dread that enabled his rise. America would still need to engage in a process of national self-scrutiny to fathom how such a nightmare could have been avoided, how it can be prevented from happening again.

Such a process will prove arduous and gut-wrenching. I should know. As a Chilean who is now also an American citizen, I went through a similar grueling quest to comprehend the origins of another political disaster: the 1973 overthrow of the Chilean people's peaceful revolution and its leader, Salvador Allende. I had to learn that attributing that tragedy to foreign entities did not alleviate or overcome it.

In 1973, a military coup against Allende, the democratically elected president of Chile, terminated an extraordinary experiment in social and economic justice. The assault was aided and abetted by the United States. For many years after the coup, I dwelled on Washington's responsibility for the brutal dictatorship of Gen. Augusto Pinochet.
And yet, some years after Pinochet's depradations forced me to flee Chile with my wife and our first son, I stopped automatically alluding to America's role in my country's misfortune. I continued to be outraged by the invasion of our sovereignty, which had also occurred in places as diverse as Guatemala, Iran and Indonesia. But I realized that obsessing about what America had done was delaying a more imperative obligation: to minutely, painfully, collectively examine what had gone awry in my own land. How could our attempt to build a nation free of exploitation have paved the way for a tyrannical regime?

It took many years for the self-criticism to bear fruit, but without it the followers of Allende could never have built a coalition with the Christian Democrats, many of whose members were fierce opponents of the revolution's radical measures. They had at first thoughtlessly welcomed the coup. Our coalition beat Pinochet in a 1988 plebiscite and then voted into office a center-left president two years later. Since then, Chile has organized five more presidential elections. Yet another will take place Sunday, and whatever its outcome, Chileans can be certain that our democracy is robust enough not to be fooled by foreign intelligence agencies.
As an immigrant who has embraced America as his home, I would hope that my compatriots here might be inspired by the way Chile went about healing its wounds. Our confusion and angst forced us to look deep inside our despair, and deeper still into the enigmas and abyss of history in search of a response to the Pinochet tragedy. The fundamental ethical work went beyond politics and intellectual theories to more personal, more intimate, more piercing territory. Chileans had to think ourselves out of our crisis.
Such a process of inquiry and exorcism began in the U.S. soon after the election, with no lack of culprits to blame. And yet so far the multiple, conflicting theories and explanations for
Trump's startling victory have not produced a common national narrative that might unify the opposition and point the way forward.
Now, every desperate American must gaze in the mirror and interrogate the puzzled face and puzzling fate that stares back: What did I do or not do that made the cataclysm possible? Did I ignore past transgressions that corrode today's society: the discrimination, the sexism, the violence, the authoritarianism, the intolerance, the imperial ambitions, the slavery and greed and persecutions that have darkened America's story? Did I overestimate the strength of our democracy and underestimate the decency of my neighbors? Was I too fearful, too complacent, too impatient, too angry? Whom did I not talk to, whom did I not persuade? What privilege and comforts, what overwork and debts, kept me from giving my all? What injustice or humiliation or bigoted remark did I witness and let pass? How can I help to recover our country, make it once more recognizable, make it luminous and forgiving?

We must vigorously protest the president's craven actions, but above all we need to acknowledge that what ultimately matters is not what a foreign power did to America, but what America did to itself. The crucial question of what is wrong with our country, what could have driven us to this edge of catastrophe, cannot be resolved by a special counsel or a Democratic takeover of the House of Representatives or spectacular revelations about Russia's interference.
Our inevitable moment of reckoning should be seen as an opportunity rather than an obstacle. Thomas Paine, that foreigner, that immigrant, that subversive who loved America, said it best in December of 1776, as his adopted homeland's inaugural revolution was in danger of being defeated: "Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph."

I cannot guess whether we will be spirited enough to find the consolatory answers to our crisis. What I do not doubt, as America cries out for a second and much needed revolution, is that a long night of searching lies ahead of us.


Ariel Dorfman is the author of "Homeland Security Ate My Speech" and the forthcoming novel "Darwin's Ghosts." He lives with his wife Angélica in Chile and in Durham, N.C., where he is professor emeritus of literature at Duke University.
b You are delusional. You can start your educati... (show quote)


Pure poppy cock! Durp!

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Dec 17, 2017 21:55:40   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Well it is going to be a very interesting time in 2018.

I see things a bit different than you.

All I see coming out of government is just a lot hot air & more B.S. & it won't be getting any better from either Major Political Party.

We will meet on these pages as time goes by & keep posting what is going on.

I do wish you well.
Because no matter how we view the issue we do face most of the same problems.


floyd: I thought I would never see as much hot air that we put up with during the LBJ regime! obama made LBJ look like junior varsity!!!!!

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Dec 17, 2017 22:18:53   #
kemmer
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
floyd: I thought I would never see as much hot air that we put up with during the LBJ regime! obama made LBJ look like junior varsity!!!!!

And just look at the deranged and vindictive windbag we've got now.
In 10 years the punchline of every political joke.

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Dec 17, 2017 23:42:41   #
ghostgotcha Loc: The Florida swamps
 
kemmer wrote:
And just look at the deranged and vindictive windbag we've got now.
In 10 years the punchline of every political joke.


I heard on CNN today that Trumps approval rating had moved up over 40%.... Just think how it will grow once he signs the Republican Tax Bill and everyone gets a raise next year..

How sweet it is when liberals blow hot air on this site.....

Listen close now Kimmer.....
Donald John Trump is the 45th and current President of the United States, in office since January 20, 2017. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality. Trump was born in the New York City borough of Queens. Wikipedia
Net worth: 3.1 billion USD (2017) Forbes, Trending
Born: June 14, 1946 (age 71), Jamaica Hospital Medical Center, New York City, NY
Height: 6′ 2″
Spouse: Melania Trump (m. 2005), Marla Maples (m. 1993–1999), Ivana Trump (m. 1977–1992)
Education: Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (1968)


Question: Can you buy the fuel on any of his aircraft for a short flight to anywhere?
http://media.tmz.com/2017/01/16/0116-trump-airplane-helicopters-getty-flickr-3.jpg

Would you like to do some "Work traveling" aboard his yacht. Hey someone has to be a "deck ape."


Ok, Ok. I will quit embarrassing you and not talk about his "Trump Tower" or many golf course resorts around the world. I fear I have already shown you to be nothing more than a jealous twirt.....but hey! maybe you could go to work in the tower and make some real money for a change. if they would hire you that is


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Dec 17, 2017 23:46:06   #
badbob85037
 
Kevyn wrote:
Its fake news, everyone loves him, just ask the Kremlin.


I would take the Kremlin over another day of obama's anti Constitutional, abuse of power, treason any time. Then maybe we would get some of that uranium back democRats sold them.



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Dec 17, 2017 23:59:36   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
roy wrote:
Wait till seniors start finding out about how their fixing to get screwed in the new tax plan. Oh the votes that will be lost in 2018,and 2020.


I am older than you are roy since I turned 85 today and I don't expect to see many votes at our house fly away from Trump but then I don't read only liberal crap like you.

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Dec 18, 2017 00:02:56   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
kemmer wrote:
And just look at the deranged and vindictive windbag we've got now.
In 10 years the punchline of every political joke.


Every political joke in the left leaning sites you waste your time on. Where else will we find any of that crap?

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