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Speaking of California...AMERICA Had Better Invest In A Few Desalination Plants!
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Dec 16, 2017 09:26:57   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
lindajoy wrote:
This is pretty well in line with what is going on in Cali about building such a plant..As is typical cost the major concern and then the effects of stripping our ocean of its water and how it will impact sea life..

Seems any alternatives has its own concerns of environmentally friendly issues and its impact..How do we extract the water without hurting marine life???

Droughts every 1000 years, lasting a-hundred years or so certainly confirms the cyclic nature of our world ..

Nation’s largest ocean desalination plant goes up near San Diego; Future of the California coast?

The crews are building what boosters say represents California’s best hope for a drought-proof water supply: the largest ocean desalination plant in the Western Hemisphere. The $1 billion project will provide 50 million gallons of drinking water a day for San Diego County when it opens in 2016.

Since the 1970s, California has dipped its toe into ocean desalination –talking, planning, debating. But for a variety of reasons — mainly cost and environmental concerns– the state has never taken the plunge.

Until now.

Fifteen desalination projects are proposed along the coast from Los Angeles to San Francisco Bay. Desalination technology is becoming more efficient. And the state is mired in its third year of drought. Critics and backers alike are wondering whether this project in a town better known as the home of Legoland and skateboard icon Tony Hawk is ushering in a new era.

Will California — like Israel, Saudi Arabia and other arid coastal regions of the world — finally turn to the ocean to quench its thirst? Or will the project finally prove that drinking Pacific seawater is too pricey, too environmentally harmful and too impractical for the Golden State?
They went through seven or eight years of hell to get here,” said Tim Quinn, executive director of the Association of California Water Agencies. “But they stuck it out. They got it done. If it succeeds, it will encourage others to try. And if it fails, it will have a chilling effect.”

To critics, the plant is a costly mistake that will use huge amounts of energy and harm fish and other marine life when it sucks in seawater using the intakes from the aging Encina Power Plant next door.

“This is going to be the pig that will try for years to find the right shade of lipstick,” said Marco Gonzalez, an Encinitas attorney who sued on behalf of the Surfrider Foundation and other environmental groups to try to stop construction. “This project will show that the water is just too expensive.”

For the plant to be a success and copied in other parts of the state, Poseidon will have to deliver high-quality drinking water at the price promised — and not cause unexpected impacts to the environment such as fish die-offs.

“It’s a test case,” said Ron Davis, executive director of Cal Desal, an industry advocacy group. “We like to tease them: Only the entire future of desal is riding on this project. No pressure.”

High cost

Almost every discussion about desalination begins and ends with cost.

Desalinated water typically costs about $2,000 an acre foot — roughly the amount of water a family of five uses in a year. The cost is about double that of water obtained from building a new reservoir or recycling wastewater, according to a 2013 study from the state Department of Water Resources.

In Carlsbad, two gallons of seawater will be needed to produce each gallon of drinking water. And to remove the salt, the plant will use an enormous amount of energy — about 38 megawatts, enough to power 28,500 homes — to force 100 million gallons of seawater a day through a series of filters. The process, known as reverse osmosis, removes salt and other impurities by blasting the water at six times the pressure of a fire hose through membranes with microscopic holes.

After enduring severe water shortages during a drought in the late 1980s, Santa Barbara voters agreed to spend $34 million to build a desalination plant. It opened in 1991 and provided water for four months. When the drought ended, the city shut it down. Water from reservoirs and other sources was significantly cheaper.

Similarly, Australia spent more than $10 billion building six huge seawater desalination plants during a severe drought from 1997 to 2009. Today, Cooley noted, four are shut down because when rains finally came, the cost of the water became noncompetitive.

“We run the risk of building facilities that we don’t use,” Cooley said. “And that’s a waste of money.”
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http://www.mercurynews.com/2014/05/29/nations-largest-ocean-desalination-plant-goes-up-near-san-diego-future-of-the-california-coast/
This is pretty well in line with what is going on ... (show quote)


LJ; Very informative article. I learned a lot why there are no de-sal plants, and I wondered why. Sounded like a necessity to prevent massive thirst. Looks like Kalifornia is in deep dry doo-doo.
BUT;
It would lower the rising sea level; would it not?
Kinda like capturing CO2?

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Dec 16, 2017 09:28:28   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
mongo wrote:
In the seventies when I was at Camp Pendleton, we were having a drought.
I was informed that California hadn't seen substantial rainfall for the last five
years. I mentioned a ship I was on with it's own freshwater desalination
system and that it would be a good idea to build a land based plant for the
state.
As the years went by, I ended up back in California with the same problem,
plus the rising cost of water. Again I talked about it with friends and family.
What I couldn't understand was why the officials in government voted to
have the runoff from the mountains rerouted to empty directly into the ocean
instead of creating more water sheds to conserve it during heavy possible
droughts. They were fully aware of the possible drought but thought Hoover
Dam would never suffer drought and always be capable of providing water.

SEMPER FI
In the seventies when I was at Camp Pendleton, we ... (show quote)


See, even then you were thinking outside the box!!!

That Hoover Dam is captivating to see but doesn’t seem enough to cover all expected of it..Must be since it’s doing its job there is no concern..??

Why did they vote such a thing instead of doing as you suggest.. All the problems they have with little water or mudslides from too much run off and they waste that water ??

I think a few must have been smoking too much
... was Brown involved ??? Or before his time??

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Dec 16, 2017 09:33:30   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
eagleye13 wrote:
LJ; Very informative article. I learned a lot why there are no de-sal plants, and I wondered why. Sounded like a necessity to prevent massive thirst. Looks like Kalifornia is in deep dry doo-doo.
BUT;
It would lower the rising sea level; would it not?
Kinda like capturing CO2?


Thank You, eagle.. Mike often makes me have to go in search of things.. I like that!! Much like you do in your posts as well..

Over time it would lower it and then perhaps even more by removing the natural salt from the ocean and it’s impact on sea life as well..!
Don’t be messen with my fish to be caught..?

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Dec 16, 2017 09:49:39   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
lindajoy wrote:
See, even then you were thinking outside the box!!!

That Hoover Dam is captivating to see but doesn’t seem enough to cover all expected of it..Must be since it’s doing its job there is no concern..??

Why did they vote such a thing instead of doing as you suggest.. All the problems they have with little water or mudslides from too much run off and they waste that water ??

I think a few must have been smoking too much
... was Brown involved ??? Or before his time??
See, even then you were thinking outside the box!!... (show quote)



Jerry Brown was just replaced as governor but he had some great ideas
for the state when he was younger. His cabinet shot down anything that
was good for Cali due to greed. When he was governor the first time, he
did push Cal-Trans to accomplish road work that made them the best in the
country at the time. After he left office, the roads went into total disrepair.
I don't know what happened to him this time around, but it's not good!

SEMPER FI

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Dec 16, 2017 11:16:47   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
mongo wrote:
When I lived in California, I would tell my wife and some friends
that building desalination plants would be a far better idea then
a high speed train. The rest of the country should get on board
with the idea as well!

SEMPER FI


High speed train. How impractical!

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Dec 16, 2017 11:19:59   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Texas Truth wrote:
I love the way the word assist likes to change words in sentences after you hit send like inserting the word drug in place of the word drought this stupid machine doesn't all the time. I'm sure you people know what I'm talking about.


I'm constantly adding words to my dictionary because the vocabulary of word assist is limited and I invent a lot of words.

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Dec 16, 2017 11:24:10   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
buffalo wrote:
Hey, that might solve the problem of rising oceans due to climate change. Enviroweenies should love this idea.


Maybe...but low-lying places should probably still invest more money in seawalls, levees and desalination plants than in trying to change the weather. One might think the environmentalists would see the wisdom in that.

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Dec 16, 2017 11:53:40   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Texas Truth wrote:
This is a short addition to the topic during these Mega droughts here there would be a change in the jet streams and bring massive amounts of water to the Sahara Desert and the Sahara desert would flourish. There is ancient evidence in the Sahara Desert of moving Waters. This evidence is found in small rounded stones of various sizes leaving evidence of Great Rivers and bodies of water. Really interesting stuff.


They find whale bones in the Sahara...and they ain't that old.

8000 years ago people walked from France to England.

They dredge up the remains of ancient villages from the bottom of the English Channel regularly.

The world is far more changeable than people are being told.

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Dec 16, 2017 15:24:35   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
Texas Truth wrote:
This is a short addition to the topic during these Mega droughts here there would be a change in the jet streams and bring massive amounts of water to the Sahara Desert and the Sahara desert would flourish. There is ancient evidence in the Sahara Desert of moving Waters. This evidence is found in small rounded stones of various sizes leaving evidence of Great Rivers and bodies of water. Really interesting stuff.


The Mohave dessert had a rain forrest in the middle
at one time around early 1900s or late 1800s.

SEMPER FI

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Dec 16, 2017 16:49:42   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
mongo wrote:
Jerry Brown was just replaced as governor but he had some great ideas
for the state when he was younger. His cabinet shot down anything that
was good for Cali due to greed. When he was governor the first time, he
did push Cal-Trans to accomplish road work that made them the best in the
country at the time. After he left office, the roads went into total disrepair.
I don't know what happened to him this time around, but it's not good!

SEMPER FI


You just told me some things of Brown I did not know... Thank You..

I remember when Arnold Schwarzenegger was governor and was researching the Chicago Translines extensively commenting on wanting the implementation in Cali.. Don’t know what ever happened to that either.. he probably got side tracked..

I loved living in San Diego and had I not lost my husband I often wonder if I would have stayed..??

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Dec 16, 2017 19:55:34   #
mongo Loc: TEXAS
 
lindajoy wrote:
You just told me some things of Brown I did not know... Thank You..

I remember when Arnold Schwarzenegger was governor and was researching the Chicago Translines extensively commenting on wanting the implementation in Cali.. Don’t know what ever happened to that either.. he probably got side tracked..

I loved living in San Diego and had I not lost my husband I often wonder if I would have stayed..??


Schwarzenegger was a back stabbing, lying "PUNK!"

SEMPER FI

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Dec 16, 2017 20:17:01   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
mongo wrote:
Schwarzenegger was a back stabbing, lying "PUNK!"

SEMPER FI


Now that I do know!! Couldn’t personally stand the man...A snake he is!!!

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Dec 16, 2017 22:19:26   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
mongo wrote:
Schwarzenegger was a back stabbing, lying "PUNK!"

SEMPER FI


He ended up not having much choice. I feel bad for his intentions. CA is a losing battle...until the Big One hits. Then they will grow brains...some.

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Dec 17, 2017 09:16:48   #
pappadeux Loc: Phoenix AZ
 
BigMike wrote:
Serious about climate change...invest in something practical, right?What you mean is a few 'De shit ulation' plants, especially in San Frnfreko. Sacofermento and some other 'defecated 'places.


"We're establishing a baseline. We're looking for the normal pulse of a megadrought. How often do they occur? Do they happen more in periods of climate change?" asks Toby Ault, assistant professor of earth and atmospheric sciences and lead researcher. "We're examining things happening over the last 1,200 years -- including the period known as the 'Medieval Climate Anomaly' from about 800 to 1300 A.D. -- and we're applying that understanding to see what could happen in the next 100 years."...

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/12/171214101843.htm
Serious about climate change...invest in something... (show quote)

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Dec 17, 2017 09:28:44   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
I didn't quite catch that pappadeux.

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