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Dec 18, 2017 06:41:28   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
johnmont wrote:
I see that you are still beating that birth certificate dead horse? You people are pathetic!


Spelling no big deal, we have Loki as our spelling cop. I spell pathetic d e p l o r a b l e.

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Dec 18, 2017 07:46:39   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
permafrost wrote:
Bob,

They are not real Christians.

They only use the name in the hope that some people will think they have ethics, empathy and truthfulness...


Clearly they have none...


The same applies to you where American is used.

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Dec 18, 2017 07:58:53   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Bad Bob wrote:
Spelling no big deal, we have Loki as our spelling cop. I spell pathetic d e p l o r a b l e.


I spell Bad Bob; b-a-d-b-o-o-b

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Dec 18, 2017 08:20:03   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
More than one way to pay for the wall. Meheecko will pay by having to keep their drug dealers and escapees in Meheecko. The drug revenue won't be leaving the United States and going to Meheecko. Trade will even out. More money in the United States, less money going to Meheecko.


Along with more legal Americans and less illegals..... Saaaawwwweeeettt it is!!

I’m dancing the happy dance...🙃❤️
I’m dancing the happy dance...🙃❤️...

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Dec 18, 2017 08:21:11   #
Active_Reader
 
Here is some facts on Obuma's fake birth certificate. Many of us have been sending email and copies of Obuma's Kenya birth certificate. The one that the WH put on the internet was create by Adobe Photoshop, or a program that can copy, past, and make layers for showing it to actually make it look like it was copied right from the document itself. Their is an attorney that has all the people that created the document. Some News and TV big wigs supported it, the making and sending it in piece meal to have and give it to the WH staff to have them put it out for all of us dummies to see. The programmer, made some mistakes. He copied parts from one birth certificate that inserted different fonts (the type that appears on paper) with different dpi (dots per inch). The long form did they used was not used when Obuma was supposed to have been born back in Hawaii. It is all false. His mother had the brat born in Keny. She flew to Hawaii, she was smart, to try and get a fake birth certificate cut showing he was born there. She was not able to do it. She did not have a passport to leave Hawaii, so she had to apply for one. She tried to get the passport showing that Berry Sortoro? meaning "Trouble Maker" on her application for a pass port. She had to cross out his name, for the pass port personnel probably asked where is the brat? He was not with her at the time. The long form does not have the old fashion type that a remingtion typewriter pica type. IT is all a jumble of mixed fonts, with different dots. The seal does not show from what I have read from the Tea Party man. In fact Jerome somebody hired, some expert that used Adobe created an exact copy of the one the WH show on the internet.
Sheriff Arapio of Arizona had some "cold posse" investigate and obtain a copy of Obuma's birth certificate but nobody believed it in Congress. Yet many in Congress knew Obuma was a fake. If you people remember the House Republicans like Boehner, Goodlatte, who should have formed a special committee to investigate Obama's birth certificate. The two of them were and still are a bunch of "pussies." There were two possible reasons: those who brought it up were probably afraid for their life and family, and if they did get the House to say he should be removed, the Senate was all Democratic, and would not have gone along with the impeachment of Obuma. The senate would not have voted to remove him. Bill Clinton has some 70 plus civilians missing and never found. The same with Obuma. I read it lis like 90 individuals. There are a lot of missing individuals that are missing. When Hillary was running for president in 2016? Obama went to Bill Clinton to tell him that unless Hillary drops out of the run for presidency, he would have Chelsea killed. There were some false stories made up on her dropping out of the race. Larry Klayman of Freedom WAtch proved that Obama was using a fake birth certificate. He formed a Citizens Grand Jury(CGJ) in Orlando, Fl, back around 2013 if I remember correctly, which took some three years to follow the rules by the US Constitution to use a CGJ to convict Obama that he should not be in the WH. Obama was cited to be at the Orlando, FL hearing and bring and show his true birth certificate. He was a no show. The CGJ found him guilty on two counts of fraud. Given a sentence of 5 years each for a total of 10 years. Obama's lawyers told him to ignore it. Dr. Orly Taiz, an attorney in California proved Obama was a fake. He has a fake draft card using some draft number from a state he never lived in. He used up to three different SSN's. The one he is using now, that Cosi also disclosed, was taken from a dead person from one of the southern states. His wife also stole other people SSN. ONe of the big cheezes in the S. S. Department let Michelle use his dead distant inlaw or relative so she could file along with the fake president. The attorney up in BElview, WAshigton has all the names of those that help create the long form. He tried to get a U. S. Supreme Ct. judge to form a Federal Grand Jury to investigate Obuma. The documents given to the judge were under sealed orders and could not be opened. The Federal judge would not do it. No standing he says. I do not have my notes before me for I would give your the web page etc. EVen Obama half-brother put a copy of his real birth certificate on the internet (Facebook) just prior to his final year in the WH. Their both muslims. Obama even had five (5)Muslim Brotherhoods working in the white house. One quit to go to Texas to form his own jihad group.
Have to go. Look up Dr. Orley Taiz, and Larry Klayman director for www.freedomwatch.com. I hope Bad Bob reads this.

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Dec 18, 2017 08:33:58   #
Mikeyavelli
 
johnmont wrote:
I see that you are still beating that birth certificate dead horse? You people are pathetic!


The obamaleft and media made the fact that obama was born in Kenya a "ridiculous " statement. What is ridiculous, is the lie support and money spent to hide the truth that obama was born in Kenya.
The truth is not a dead horse. Obama is a gay kenyan born muslim Marxist.
There's the truth.

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Dec 18, 2017 08:57:31   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Active_Reader wrote:
Here is some facts on Obuma's fake birth certificate. Many of us have been sending email and copies of Obuma's Kenya birth certificate. The one that the WH put on the internet was create by Adobe Photoshop, or a program that can copy, past, and make layers for showing it to actually make it look like it was copied right from the document itself. Their is an attorney that has all the people that created the document. Some News and TV big wigs supported it, the making and sending it in piece meal to have and give it to the WH staff to have them put it out for all of us dummies to see. The programmer, made some mistakes. He copied parts from one birth certificate that inserted different fonts (the type that appears on paper) with different dpi (dots per inch). The long form did they used was not used when Obuma was supposed to have been born back in Hawaii. It is all false. His mother had the brat born in Keny. She flew to Hawaii, she was smart, to try and get a fake birth certificate cut showing he was born there. She was not able to do it. She did not have a passport to leave Hawaii, so she had to apply for one. She tried to get the passport showing that Berry Sortoro? meaning "Trouble Maker" on her application for a pass port. She had to cross out his name, for the pass port personnel probably asked where is the brat? He was not with her at the time. The long form does not have the old fashion type that a remingtion typewriter pica type. IT is all a jumble of mixed fonts, with different dots. The seal does not show from what I have read from the Tea Party man. In fact Jerome somebody hired, some expert that used Adobe created an exact copy of the one the WH show on the internet.
Sheriff Arapio of Arizona had some "cold posse" investigate and obtain a copy of Obuma's birth certificate but nobody believed it in Congress. Yet many in Congress knew Obuma was a fake. If you people remember the House Republicans like Boehner, Goodlatte, who should have formed a special committee to investigate Obama's birth certificate. The two of them were and still are a bunch of "pussies." There were two possible reasons: those who brought it up were probably afraid for their life and family, and if they did get the House to say he should be removed, the Senate was all Democratic, and would not have gone along with the impeachment of Obuma. The senate would not have voted to remove him. Bill Clinton has some 70 plus civilians missing and never found. The same with Obuma. I read it lis like 90 individuals. There are a lot of missing individuals that are missing. When Hillary was running for president in 2016? Obama went to Bill Clinton to tell him that unless Hillary drops out of the run for presidency, he would have Chelsea killed. There were some false stories made up on her dropping out of the race. Larry Klayman of Freedom WAtch proved that Obama was using a fake birth certificate. He formed a Citizens Grand Jury(CGJ) in Orlando, Fl, back around 2013 if I remember correctly, which took some three years to follow the rules by the US Constitution to use a CGJ to convict Obama that he should not be in the WH. Obama was cited to be at the Orlando, FL hearing and bring and show his true birth certificate. He was a no show. The CGJ found him guilty on two counts of fraud. Given a sentence of 5 years each for a total of 10 years. Obama's lawyers told him to ignore it. Dr. Orly Taiz, an attorney in California proved Obama was a fake. He has a fake draft card using some draft number from a state he never lived in. He used up to three different SSN's. The one he is using now, that Cosi also disclosed, was taken from a dead person from one of the southern states. His wife also stole other people SSN. ONe of the big cheezes in the S. S. Department let Michelle use his dead distant inlaw or relative so she could file along with the fake president. The attorney up in BElview, WAshigton has all the names of those that help create the long form. He tried to get a U. S. Supreme Ct. judge to form a Federal Grand Jury to investigate Obuma. The documents given to the judge were under sealed orders and could not be opened. The Federal judge would not do it. No standing he says. I do not have my notes before me for I would give your the web page etc. EVen Obama half-brother put a copy of his real birth certificate on the internet (Facebook) just prior to his final year in the WH. Their both muslims. Obama even had five (5)Muslim Brotherhoods working in the white house. One quit to go to Texas to form his own jihad group.
Have to go. Look up Dr. Orley Taiz, and Larry Klayman director for www.freedomwatch.com. I hope Bad Bob reads this.
Here is some facts on Obuma's fake birth certifica... (show quote)

I don't waste my time reading stupid sh*t.

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Dec 18, 2017 09:05:56   #
S. Maturin
 
JohnCorrespondent wrote:
According to https://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/studentid.asp " :

that ID card:

(a) is "not a real Columbia University student ID issued to Barack Obama (under any name) in 1981; it’s simply an altered version of a Columbia University ID card issued to another student in 1998" ;

(b) "couldn’t possibly have have been a Columbia University student ID issued to Barack Obama in 1981, as the digital ID card format it uses wasn’t introduced at Columbia until 1996" ;

and:

(c) "is obviously a forgery, as the photograph it bears is not a picture of a 20-year-old Barack Obama from 1981; it’s a picture taken several years later, during or shortly after Barack Obama’s time at Harvard Law School (1988-1991)".

Also: The matter of Obama's birth or citizenship has been put to the courts many times. Here's one of the results, which I think is probably a typical result of those cases:

'Hollister v. Soetoro

'On March 5, 2009, a lawsuit filed by Philip Berg on behalf of Gregory S. Hollister, a retired Air Force colonel, against Barack Obama (referenced as "Barry Soetoro", the name given at the time of his enrollment in an Indonesian elementary school). The suit was dismissed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. The presiding judge, James Robertson, said the case was a waste of the court's time, calling Berg and another lawyer "agents provocateurs" and their local counsel, John Hemenway, "a foot soldier in their crusade." He ordered Hemenway to show cause why he should not pay the legal fees for Obama's attorney as a penalty for filing a complaint "for an improper purpose such as to harass".[43] The district court ultimately reprimanded Hemenway for his actions, and the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit upheld the dismissal of the case and Hemenway's reprimand.[26] On January 18, 2011, the U.S. Supreme Court declined, without comment, to hear the case.[44]'

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_eligibility_litigation for that and other such cases.

I'm more interested in the philosophy, ideas, and manner of a politician. Why would I even care where a president or candidate was _born_, while some such candidates or presidents are provocative to start unnecessary wars (Bush II and Trump), or administratively responsible for covert operations to overthrow governments and arm foreign governments (Reagan and the Iran-Contra scandal)? Alongside such things, circumstances of birth are much less significant. Regarding Obama, the man was obviously very involved in the United States for a long time (that's true, even if your claim were true, that he'd been born somewhere else). Even if he _had_ been born somewhere else, I'm more interested in his ideas than where he was born. Here is what Obama said: "Surely you can question my policies without questioning my faith. Or for that matter my citizenship." (That was at the February 2010 National Prayer Breakfast, according to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Barack_Obama%27s_response ).

Some posters on this topic (but not you in this post) have called Obama a Muslim as though that were a derogatory term or even relevant to anything. That's one of the reasons I haven't paid much attention to this topic in the past. I haven't paid much attention to this topic of Obama's birth and citizenship, firstly because I don't think birth and citizenship are as important as involvement and ideas, and secondly because I see many of the people who argue against Obama's birth and citizenship are the same people who spout a lot of ethnocentric, xenophobic nonsense, such as opposition to Muslims or Islam in a way which is merely stereotyping. It would be just as easy to oppose Christians, who as a group have sponsored as much violence, torture, and other terrorism as anybody. But we should not oppose Christians as a whole in that shallow way, just as we should not oppose Muslims in that way: it's a wrong kind of generalizing: a stereotyping.

Your post was better than theirs, I think, but still doesn't pass muster with things like snopes and wikipedia, and, even if you were right, it would still be about mere citizenship, of a person who obviously is more involved in the U.S. than most common citizens are. So find something wrong with his ideas or his philosophy or his policies: those are the more significant topics.

The person who says an idea is often less important than the idea itself. That's particularly true when the person is President, whose ideas have far-reaching effects. Argue the ideas.

-John, Dec. 17, 2017
According to https://www.snopes.com/politics/obama... (show quote)


Wiki, Snopes, Google... whoever depends upon those "sources" for unbiased, truthful, apolitical material is being foolish.

Sorry, but there it is.

Then there's that "judge in DC' -- wasn't anyone else rankled/offended by that blabber mouth? I thought a judge was supposed to rule by disaffected law.. law as set out by the Constitution.. where do these (DC!) judges get the "authority" to lecture and call litigants names in an attempt to shame them, belittle them? Do all judges suffer from a *god complex*?

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Dec 18, 2017 09:14:44   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
S. Maturin wrote:
Wiki, Snopes, Google... whoever depends upon those "sources" for unbiased, truthful, apolitical material is being foolish.

Sorry, but there it is.

Then there's that "judge in DC' -- wasn't anyone else rankled/offended by that blabber mouth? I thought a judge was supposed to rule by disaffected law.. law as set out by the Constitution.. where do these (DC!) judges get the "authority" to lecture and call litigants names in an attempt to shame them, belittle them? Do all judges suffer from a *god complex*?
Wiki, Snopes, Google... whoever depends upon those... (show quote)


Most suffer from being a part in the prejudice against justice for the little guy. They have become corporate hacks. The Black robes serve their employer; The BAR.

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Dec 18, 2017 10:14:12   #
S. Maturin
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Most suffer from being a part in the prejudice against justice for the little guy. They have become corporate hacks. The Black robes serve their employer; The BAR.


Winston Churchill (God rest his soul) wrote down some questions nations-in-formation (this was post WWII) should answer, they are:

1) Is there the right to free expression of opinion and of opposition and criticism of the government of the day?

2) Have the people the right to turn out a government of which they disapprove, and are constitutional means provided by which they can make their will apparent?

3) Are their courts of justice free from violence by the Executive and from threats of mob violence, and free of all association with particular political parties?

4) Will these courts administer open and well-established laws which are associated in the human mind with the broad principles of decency and justice?

5) Will there be fair play for the poor as well as for the rich, for private persons as well as Government officials?

6) Will the rights of the individual, subject to his duties to the state, be maintained, asserted and exalted?

(From pp486-487 CHURCHILL:THE POWER OF WORDS-Martin Gilbert )

Winston's words further the old adage: Times change, men do not.

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Dec 18, 2017 10:21:17   #
acknowledgeurma
 
Active_Reader wrote:
Here is some facts on Obuma's fake birth certificate. Many of us have been sending email and copies of Obuma's Kenya birth certificate. The one that the WH put on the internet was create by Adobe Photoshop, or a program that can copy, past, and make layers for showing it to actually make it look like it was copied right from the document itself. Their is an attorney that has all the people that created the document. Some News and TV big wigs supported it, the making and sending it in piece meal to have and give it to the WH staff to have them put it out for all of us dummies to see. The programmer, made some mistakes. He copied parts from one birth certificate that inserted different fonts (the type that appears on paper) with different dpi (dots per inch). The long form did they used was not used when Obuma was supposed to have been born back in Hawaii. It is all false. His mother had the brat born in Keny. She flew to Hawaii, she was smart, to try and get a fake birth certificate cut showing he was born there. She was not able to do it. She did not have a passport to leave Hawaii, so she had to apply for one. She tried to get the passport showing that Berry Sortoro? meaning "Trouble Maker" on her application for a pass port. She had to cross out his name, for the pass port personnel probably asked where is the brat? He was not with her at the time. The long form does not have the old fashion type that a remingtion typewriter pica type. IT is all a jumble of mixed fonts, with different dots. The seal does not show from what I have read from the Tea Party man. In fact Jerome somebody hired, some expert that used Adobe created an exact copy of the one the WH show on the internet.
Sheriff Arapio of Arizona had some "cold posse" investigate and obtain a copy of Obuma's birth certificate but nobody believed it in Congress. Yet many in Congress knew Obuma was a fake. If you people remember the House Republicans like Boehner, Goodlatte, who should have formed a special committee to investigate Obama's birth certificate. The two of them were and still are a bunch of "pussies." There were two possible reasons: those who brought it up were probably afraid for their life and family, and if they did get the House to say he should be removed, the Senate was all Democratic, and would not have gone along with the impeachment of Obuma. The senate would not have voted to remove him. Bill Clinton has some 70 plus civilians missing and never found. The same with Obuma. I read it lis like 90 individuals. There are a lot of missing individuals that are missing. When Hillary was running for president in 2016? Obama went to Bill Clinton to tell him that unless Hillary drops out of the run for presidency, he would have Chelsea killed. There were some false stories made up on her dropping out of the race. Larry Klayman of Freedom WAtch proved that Obama was using a fake birth certificate. He formed a Citizens Grand Jury(CGJ) in Orlando, Fl, back around 2013 if I remember correctly, which took some three years to follow the rules by the US Constitution to use a CGJ to convict Obama that he should not be in the WH. Obama was cited to be at the Orlando, FL hearing and bring and show his true birth certificate. He was a no show. The CGJ found him guilty on two counts of fraud. Given a sentence of 5 years each for a total of 10 years. Obama's lawyers told him to ignore it. Dr. Orly Taiz, an attorney in California proved Obama was a fake. He has a fake draft card using some draft number from a state he never lived in. He used up to three different SSN's. The one he is using now, that Cosi also disclosed, was taken from a dead person from one of the southern states. His wife also stole other people SSN. ONe of the big cheezes in the S. S. Department let Michelle use his dead distant inlaw or relative so she could file along with the fake president. The attorney up in BElview, WAshigton has all the names of those that help create the long form. He tried to get a U. S. Supreme Ct. judge to form a Federal Grand Jury to investigate Obuma. The documents given to the judge were under sealed orders and could not be opened. The Federal judge would not do it. No standing he says. I do not have my notes before me for I would give your the web page etc. EVen Obama half-brother put a copy of his real birth certificate on the internet (Facebook) just prior to his final year in the WH. Their both muslims. Obama even had five (5)Muslim Brotherhoods working in the white house. One quit to go to Texas to form his own jihad group.
Have to go. Look up Dr. Orley Taiz, and Larry Klayman director for www.freedomwatch.com. I hope Bad Bob reads this.
Here is some facts on Obuma's fake birth certifica... (show quote)

Are you as equally concerned, that the non US citizen (by your rules), US Senator Ted Cruz is still in office and making illegal (by your rules) votes?

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Dec 18, 2017 10:27:25   #
S. Maturin
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Are you as equally concerned, that the non US citizen (by your rules), US Senator Ted Cruz is still in office and making illegal (by your rules) votes?


No.

Can you explain that "illegal" votes business?

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Dec 18, 2017 11:26:10   #
acknowledgeurma
 
S. Maturin wrote:
Wiki, Snopes, Google... whoever depends upon those "sources" for unbiased, truthful, apolitical material is being foolish.

Sorry, but there it is.

Then there's that "judge in DC' -- wasn't anyone else rankled/offended by that blabber mouth? I thought a judge was supposed to rule by disaffected law.. law as set out by the Constitution.. where do these (DC!) judges get the "authority" to lecture and call litigants names in an attempt to shame them, belittle them? Do all judges suffer from a *god complex*?
Wiki, Snopes, Google... whoever depends upon those... (show quote)

Aristotle says, "...man is by nature a political animal..."
http://files.libertyfund.org/pll/quotes/164.html
if true, then no human created source would be apolitical and we who accept any source are being foolish. Maybe that is why some claim inhuman sources.

I feel less foolish when I use sources that have stated rules and procedures. As to Wikipedia's reliability:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia

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Dec 18, 2017 11:34:51   #
S. Maturin
 
acknowledgeurma wrote:
Aristotle says, "...man is by nature a political animal..."
http://files.libertyfund.org/pll/quotes/164.html
if true, then no human created source would be apolitical and we who accept any source are being foolish. Maybe that is why some claim inhuman sources.

I feel less foolish when I use sources that have stated rules and procedures. As to Wikipedia's reliability:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia
Aristotle says, "...man is by nature a politi... (show quote)



Yes, well, some of us believe that humans have God-given abilities to develop rational thinking and the ability to know right from wrong.

We have plenty of evidence that millions fail to *develop* that particular human trait. Blind acceptance of really stupid alternatives always leads humans to terrifying realities, but if one is ignorant of that historically-proven fact, well, he/she will likely welcome the easy route and accept some of the craziest of philosophies and beliefs.

Just consider the "72 virgins" thing...

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Dec 18, 2017 11:37:16   #
acknowledgeurma
 
S. Maturin wrote:
No.

Can you explain that "illegal" votes business?

Well, if we judge Ted Cruz's citizenship by the same rules that some would have us judge Obama's citizenship, then Cruz is not a US citizen and therefore not a legally valid US Senator. Presumably, any votes Cruz has made or will make are invalid.

I accept that Cruz is a US citizen by birth, despite having been born outside the USA. By the same token, Obama is a US citizen, at the very least.

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