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Here is an apt but abbreviated comment by John Hawkins:
..."Gridlock has become the rule of the day in Congress for a number of reasons, but one of the biggest is that the Right and Left simply don’t agree on much anymore.
Just as an example, ask yourself this question: how many of the fundamental questions about American life do you agree with Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi on? Think about the basic questions of American life.
The Constitution? Conservatives believe in it. Liberals believe in a “living Constitution” which is fundamentally no different than having no Constitution at all.
Here is an apt but abbreviated comment by John Haw... (
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The conservatives I've met believe in the second clause of the second amendment and not much more. And a living constitution is like no constitution. Do you honestly think the founders mean to leave us with a piece of paper written for the people and the values of the 18th century?
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Religion? Conservatives tend to believe in Judeo-Christian values. Even atheists who are conservative tend to at least be friendly to those values. Liberals mock Judeo-Christian values.
You guys just voted for a president who has been married three time, admits to adultery with every wife, and who openly admits to sexually assaulting women and your talking about Judeo-Christian values? It's not Judeo-Christian values that we liberals mock but you Christians who claim to follow them!!!
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What about patriotism? Conservatives tend to love their country. Liberals love this country like a wife-beater loves his spouse.
You guys aren't patriots your Nationalists and nationalists just click their his heels together and mocks anyone who won't follow--in a democracy is about as unpatriotic a fellow as you could get.
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Conservatives tend to be capitalists. Liberals tend to be socialists.
Conservatives are corporatists. Look at Trump--raising taxes on exports and imports, brow beats business owners, backing out of our free trade agreements. Nothing about Trump sides with capitalism and he is typical of the type of candidate that conservatives support. As for liberal most of us believe in a mixed economy--very few of us are pure socialists--of course for you conservatives everything is a slippery slope so any embrace of socialism is a full embrace so it's fairly a moot point to debate it with you.
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Conservatives believe people should be judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin.
This one really cracked me up. You voted for a man who's political claim to fame was birtherism, then stood up and shouted at the top of your lungs when he said all Mexicans are Murders, and all Muslims are terrorists and now you are trying to convince us that you believe in judging a man on the content of his character? Right, I'll believe that one when it really happens...
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Conservatives believe in freedom of speech.
So when someone kneels in protest you stand behind him 100%. You guy don't give a flip about freedom of speech unless it's your right to speak hatred from one end of this country to the other. As for the other guys rights--well they are unpatriotic--and they should be run out of the country on a rail!
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Conservatives believe in small government.
You guys believe in the worlds largest military and then some. The military is part of government and then you want to strip women of the right to control their bodies and homosexuals of any and all rights they may have gained. Those aren't the actions of a small government. As small government is just that--SMALL--not just slightly smaller than the democrats might have.
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Liberals believe in a frighteningly powerful central government dictating your every move.
You guys are doing everything you can to strip women and homosexuals of their rights and you are saying that you are afraid of a government dictating your every move? You guys really are a joke. You are an oxymoron of everything you think you are...
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That last one is perhaps the most significant because if liberals could live the way they want in California, New York and Connecticut while conservatives could live as they please in Texas, South Carolina and Utah, we could shrug off our differences. As the government in Washington becomes ever more powerful, that is no longer allowed."
Actually we liberals live where ever we want and pretty much shrug off things, even if they bother us. It's you cons who are paranoid--needing a wall and guns, the military and the police all to keep you safe yet you still don't feel secure in your own being. That's just sad and, quite frankly, a waste of the only life you might just ever have...
Given these wide and fundamental differences between Conservatives and Liberals, is it any wonder that
debates between them are hopeless and a serious waste of thought, time and effort? There are few if any grounds where basic agreement can be reached, The one possibility is if some satisfactory agreement could be reached on each of the subjects given by Hawkins above, which will happen when Hell freezes over.[/quote]