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Nov 30, 2017 19:15:31   #
Ambidextrous
 
Manning345 wrote:
My precocious daughter is today fluent in 4 or 5 languages, has a masters degree, and seemingly soars quite well TYVM.

Big words compress ideas and obscure meaning to all but those that are of the same mindset. Maturin is quite right: clear expression is much to be favored over obscurant and compressed meaning.

Well, sincere congratulations on your daughter, ideally every generation sees that sort of progress.

Unfortunately for me life of me I still cannot think of how to express my problem with the initial statement of yours without it coming across as just a straight out flame, I really do believe it to be an example of a set of mostly unconscious assumptions that is both harmful when multiplied by millions of people, and that on an individual level gets my ire up.

Maybe a productive place to start would be to ask you to define what you mean by a "common sense democracy"?

That phrase triggers me, as does most use of "common sense" when it implies that it is actually anything but common, please clarify that a bit for me if you would?

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Nov 30, 2017 19:42:57   #
Ambidextrous
 
S. Maturin wrote:
Thanks.

I do think there are some who wish to impress some feelings of superiority upon others rather than to simply communicate.

As I said colleges are chock-a-block with 'em.


So, having determined an "in-group" and a consensus on one of the boundaries for that group, what is your intention behind dismissing a large number of educated people as being lower than yourself for their communication style?

Is it possible that for some (not all) that they are simply communicating the way that is natural for them, rather than playing the hierarchy games that are instinctual for the majority of people?

That set of primary instincts is as variable as the size of someone's vocabulary, or their height, eye colour, or colour of their socks.

You might want to watch out for generalizations like that, they can be accurate to a degree, but the exceptions do not always "prove the rule".

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Dec 1, 2017 09:01:23   #
S. Maturin
 
Ambidextrous wrote:
So, having determined an "in-group" and a consensus on one of the boundaries for that group, what is your intention behind dismissing a large number of educated people as being lower than yourself for their communication style?

Is it possible that for some (not all) that they are simply communicating the way that is natural for them, rather than playing the hierarchy games that are instinctual for the majority of people?

That set of primary instincts is as variable as the size of someone's vocabulary, or their height, eye colour, or colour of their socks.

You might want to watch out for generalizations like that, they can be accurate to a degree, but the exceptions do not always "prove the rule".
So, having determined an "in-group" and ... (show quote)


How arrogant!

No where did I assign anyone a "lower status" than myself.

You inserted that simply to agitate and irritate... simple ploy from a simple mind.

Nice try.

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Dec 1, 2017 09:25:00   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Ambidextrous wrote:
So, having determined an "in-group" and a consensus on one of the boundaries for that group, what is your intention behind dismissing a large number of educated people as being lower than yourself for their communication style?

Is it possible that for some (not all) that they are simply communicating the way that is natural for them, rather than playing the hierarchy games that are instinctual for the majority of people?

That set of primary instincts is as variable as the size of someone's vocabulary, or their height, eye colour, or colour of their socks.

You might want to watch out for generalizations like that, they can be accurate to a degree, but the exceptions do not always "prove the rule".
So, having determined an "in-group" and ... (show quote)


Argument without an argument! Sowell was right, there are such critters!

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Dec 1, 2017 10:59:59   #
Ambidextrous
 
S. Maturin wrote:
How arrogant!

No where did I assign anyone a "lower status" than myself.
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You inserted that simply to agitate and irritate... simple ploy from a simple mind.

Nice try.


". . . there are some who wish to impress some feelings of superiority upon others rather than to simply communicate."

So, will you be asserting that:
i) You wish to impress some feelings of superiority upon others;

ii) You are not trying to simply communicate, or;

iii) You do not believe that either effort is more commendable than the other, thus having equal validity and worth of regard, ie "status"?

I might be mistaken, but in the company of your statement about college populations it sort of seems as though you fell prey to some cultist indoctrination at some point (through no fault of your own, of course).

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov

But fear not, my poor, brainwashed friend, there is hope!

A cure has been found for this ailment that has reached epidemic proportions in recent years, a simple and humble folk remedy from days long past:

Enroll in night classes in a college, maybe take some critical thinking or logic (but stay away from rhetoric, you might relapse and at your age that could be terminal).


BTW If you want to get technical that statement would mean that someone wanted to make others feel superior, but I understand what you meant (unless you are actually Alex Jones. You aren't Alex Jones, are you?)

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Dec 1, 2017 13:14:38   #
S. Maturin
 
Ambidextrous wrote:
". . . there are some who wish to impress some feelings of superiority upon others rather than to simply communicate."

So, will you be asserting that:
i) You wish to impress some feelings of superiority upon others;

ii) You are not trying to simply communicate, or;

iii) You do not believe that either effort is more commendable than the other, thus having equal validity and worth of regard, ie "status"?

I might be mistaken, but in the company of your statement about college populations it sort of seems as though you fell prey to some cultist indoctrination at some point (through no fault of your own, of course).

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." - Isaac Asimov

But fear not, my poor, brainwashed friend, there is hope!

A cure has been found for this ailment that has reached epidemic proportions in recent years, a simple and humble folk remedy from days long past:

Enroll in night classes in a college, maybe take some critical thinking or logic (but stay away from rhetoric, you might relapse and at your age that could be terminal).


BTW If you want to get technical that statement would mean that someone wanted to make others feel superior, but I understand what you meant (unless you are actually Alex Jones. You aren't Alex Jones, are you?)
". . . there are some who wish to impress so... (show quote)


OK, getting serious... almost... what I said ". . . there are some who wish to impress some feelings of superiority upon others rather than to simply communicate."
still stands and in no way indicates to a neutral mind anything other than what I exactly stated and that includes anything about trying to place myself in a superior position to anyone. I am more humble than either you or old Alex whats-his-face.

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Dec 1, 2017 23:32:39   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
S. Maturin wrote:
OK, getting serious... almost... what I said ". . . there are some who wish to impress some feelings of superiority upon others rather than to simply communicate."
still stands and in no way indicates to a neutral mind anything other than what I exactly stated and that includes anything about trying to place myself in a superior position to anyone. I am more humble than either you or old Alex whats-his-face.
OK, getting serious... almost... what I said "... (show quote)


"Alice in Wonderland" is far easier to understand than trying to exchange ideas with this person. You know: "Twas brillig, and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe ...something or other"...

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Dec 2, 2017 03:57:44   #
Ambidextrous
 
S. Maturin wrote:
I am more humble than either you or old Alex whats-his-face.


Yeah, yeah, "MY ego was bigger than YOURS, and I conquered it BETTER too!"

I would still maintain that twice in a row you made incorrect assertions about my motives behind my posts, that your add-on snippet about colleges validates Dr Asimov's quote (even though there are actually a fair number of pretentious fools with many words in colleges, they are matched by smug idiots without any education, "moron" does not require vocational training) and considering the behemoth of an article that this all sprouted from, it is bizarre that I've gotten busted for being too verbose.

I'm waiting my breath breath here, I'm going to go shout at a dog and then try to teach it classic Greek philosophy.

That would probably be more fruitful, at the very least the canine would already understand the principles of Diogenes the Cynic, and would not have much of a use for rhetorical games.

Who knows, maybe there might be a civilized exchange at some point?

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Dec 2, 2017 08:42:18   #
S. Maturin
 
Ambidextrous wrote:
Yeah, yeah, "MY ego was bigger than YOURS, and I conquered it BETTER too!"

I would still maintain that twice in a row you made incorrect assertions about my motives behind my posts, that your add-on snippet about colleges validates Dr Asimov's quote (even though there are actually a fair number of pretentious fools with many words in colleges, they are matched by smug idiots without any education, "moron" does not require vocational training) and considering the behemoth of an article that this all sprouted from, it is bizarre that I've gotten busted for being too verbose.

I'm waiting my breath breath here, I'm going to go shout at a dog and then try to teach it classic Greek philosophy.

That would probably be more fruitful, at the very least the canine would already understand the principles of Diogenes the Cynic, and would not have much of a use for rhetorical games.

Who knows, maybe there might be a civilized exchange at some point?
Yeah, yeah, "MY ego was bigger than YOURS, an... (show quote)


Ah, OK.

( . )

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Dec 2, 2017 08:49:21   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
ziggy88 wrote:
Just a Matter of Time :: By Daymond Duck
Researched by Pastor Gary Boyd
Intro & Conclusion by Pastor Boyd

During this time of interlude between wars Hezbollah has armed itself to the teeth with missiles of destruction aimed at Israel that the UN was supposed to prohibit. I believe the UN is proliferating the hatred and folly of Hezbollah by doing nothing. Israel is not going to play this time. It has tactical nukes and they will use them. This coming war will be the lead into World War 3 and in prophecy is called the Psalm 83 war. Prophecy is being fulfilled right before our eyes. Hang on this is going to be a rocky ride.

Iran Major Instigator

Iran’s growing domination of Syria and Lebanon, with Russia’s consent, has brought Israel and Lebanon to the threshold of war, but this looming conflict doesn’t appear to be an ordinary war. It is shaping up like a prophesied war with implications for the Rapture, Tribulation Period and more.

War broke out between Israel and Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006 ending 34 days later with a UN-sponsored ceasefire that required the UN to disarm unidentified militant forces, Hezbollah in Lebanon, and to prevent those forces from re-arming.

But Hezbollah (meaning the party of God) refused to disarm, and the UN never did anything about it. Hezbollah even increased its weapons it gets from Iran and troops and undermined the Lebanese government, and the UN remained dormant.

PM Fled the Country

On Nov. 4, 2017, Lebanon’s Prime Minister fled the country and resigned for fear of being assassinated. His resignation left the nation of Lebanon in chaos.

Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Kuwait have withdrawn their money from Lebanese banks. Some experts on the middle east say this will collapse the Lebanese economy.

Citizens Told to Leave the Country

Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Kuwait also ordered their citizens to leave Lebanon as soon as possible. They even told their citizens that live outside of Lebanon not to go there. They desperately want world leaders, especially the U.S. and Israel, to stop Iran’s interference in the affairs of other nations. The only actual way to stop this buildup is with tactical nukes, I believe Israel will use them to defuse the situation.

Israel has accused Russia and Iran of trying to take over the Middle East with Russia eyeballing the oilfields. Israel has started moving troops and weapons to its border with Lebanon a sure sign of an impending war.

Hezbollah has 150,000–200,000 rockets and missiles aimed at Israel. Israel said she won’t go after those rockets and missiles one at a time. Israel will seek a quick victory because Israel knows that her troops may have to fight on several fronts. She knows that she could be Russia’s and Iran’s next target. Israel’s goal is to take back the entire promised land because it will be easier to defend.

Hezbollah Leaders Admitted they Started the War in 2006

Hezbollah’s leaders admit that they unintentionally started the war with Israel in 2006. They say they don’t want war right now, but one could easily be started unintentionally. What if Israel will start the war first when Hezbollah is not ready?

On Nov. 11, 2017, Pres. Trump met Russian Pres. Putin in Vietnam. At Israel’s insistence, Pres. Trump tried to get Pres. Putin to agree to a 30–40 km (roughly 18 to 25 miles) buffer zone to keep Russian, Iranian, Syrian and Hezbollah troops farther away from Israel’s border with Syria. Pres. Putin did not agree to that, thus inviting conflict.

Syria sent a drone over the buffer zone, presumably with Russian approval. Israel shot it down blowing it into a thousand pieces. Syria was fuming.

Enemy Want to Build Bases

Iran and Hezbollah want to build bases in the proposed buffer zone, but Israel said she will not allow it. Prime Minister Netanyahu said Israel will protect her borders and act in Syria as Israel sees fit, whether Russia approves or not. Can you see the friction mounting?

To add fuel to the fire, Iran supports Houthi rebels in Yemen. On Nov. 4, 2017, the Houthis fired an Iranian missile at Saudi Arabia’s International Airport. The Saudis shot it down much to the chagrin of the Houthi rebels. The Saudis claimed this was an act of war and are preparing a response against the rebels.

Saudi Arabia accused Iran of committing an act of war against Saudi Arabia by supplying the Houthis with the missile. Iran responded by threatening to send more missiles to the Houthis.

Saudis Need Israel & America Backing

The Saudis want Iran taken out, but they are not strong enough to do it by themselves. They are pleading with the U.S. and Israel to help them. Israel sees the advantage in that and have a stategy in the works to not only take out Hezbollah in Lebanon but also Iran’s nuclear reactor at Bushehr on the Persian Gulf. Think there will be any contamination of the Gulf if that happens?

It could happen. The U.S. wants Saudi Arabia to help them get a peace treaty in the Middle East and Israel wants Saudi Arabia to recognize Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish nation.

Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince, Mohammad bin Salman, has instructed PA Pres. Mahmoud Abbas to accept Pres. Trump’s Middle East peace proposals. He has also told Mr. Abbas to cut the PA’s ties with Hezbollah.

Could Be Fireworks at Anytime

All of this comes down to the fact that the Middle East could explode at any moment. If something isn’t done to calm the situation soon, hopefully it will, Israel and Lebanon (Hezbollah); or Israel and Syria; or Israel and Russia, Iran and others could find themselves in a very deadly war with nukes flying everywhere.

Any one of these wars could draw in the Palestinians, Jordan, Turkey, Egypt and others and could quickly turn into a full-blown regional conflict that fulfills several end-of-the-age prophecies.

World War Three

The coming war prophecy says will include the Psalm 83 attack, the War of Gog & Magog, that Russia will lead and the war to end all wars the Battle of Armageddon where anti-Semites from around the globe come into the valley of Megiddo to await their destruction from Christ at his second coming. All this destruction will happen in a seven year period called the Great Tribulation that will include the rid of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse; War – Death – Famine – Pestilence.

Conclusion

In the book of Joel, God says there will be "wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, the sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord." There were four blood moons in 2014 – 15 and this year on August 13th we had an eclipse. The day of the Lord is the start of the Great Tribulation where God pours out his wrath upon the nations. I believe the great eclipse that passed over our country was a sign there will be judgment on the nations. In September there were 27 major disasters that took place all over the world; earthquakes, fires, and volcanoes erupting.

In Acts, the Apostle Peter repeats that verse from Joel. And the book of Revelation says that during the Great Tribulation, "the moon will become like blood."

A total of four blood moons, all appearing on Jewish feast days during the Feast of Tabernacles, or Sukkot; this my dear friends is the lead up to the Great Tribulation that takes place on the earth and will a time like no other. Hang on, should be an interesting ride…….
Just a Matter of Time :: By Daymond Duck br Resear... (show quote)


All the Middle East has ever known is war.. It is in their history and nothing we or anyone else will ever do will stop it.. Short of the H bomb I mean and even then the threat of another being dropped will only work for a few years..

It is a ravaged, decimated geographical hell of wanna be leaders that look to control land and oil... And we other countries need to stay out and let them go ahead and kill each other off!!

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Dec 2, 2017 08:54:57   #
S. Maturin
 
lindajoy wrote:
All the Middle East has ever known is war.. It is in their history and nothing we or anyone else will ever do will stop it.. Short of the H bomb I mean and even then the threat of another being dropped will only work for a few years..

It is a ravaged, decimated geographical hell of wanna be leaders that look to control land and oil... And we other countries need to stay out and let them go ahead and kill each other off!!


In a nutshell.

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Dec 2, 2017 09:26:05   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
S. Maturin wrote:
In a nutshell.


Good Morning, S..,

Always nice too see you..



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Dec 2, 2017 09:28:39   #
S. Maturin
 
lindajoy wrote:
Good Morning, S..,

Always nice too see you..


Thanks.

It's always to read your reasonable, rational, logical thoughts. Imagine if suddenly our radical progressive folks in the USA would suddenly do likewise! Just Imagine, eh?


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Dec 2, 2017 09:59:52   #
bahmer
 
lindajoy wrote:
All the Middle East has ever known is war.. It is in their history and nothing we or anyone else will ever do will stop it.. Short of the H bomb I mean and even then the threat of another being dropped will only work for a few years..

It is a ravaged, decimated geographical hell of wanna be leaders that look to control land and oil... And we other countries need to stay out and let them go ahead and kill each other off!!


Amen and Amen

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Dec 2, 2017 10:02:22   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
S. Maturin wrote:
Thanks.

It's always to read your reasonable, rational, logical thoughts. Imagine if suddenly our radical progressive folks in the USA would suddenly do likewise! Just Imagine, eh?



Thank You for the vote of confidence S, but I’m anything but rational~~

I think you’re holding out too much for our progressives, they can’t get to a single thought of their own... If it isn’t told to them they are wet Willy’s in the sea of knowledge..

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