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Nov 20, 2017 15:54:51   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Just so you know. I've conversed with her before. I doubt if you can keep it that simple. Just saying.
Big Bass wrote:
I'll try to keep this simple for you. If employ 1,000 people at $100,000 per year, your payroll is $100,000,000 per year. If you greatly reduce the workload and only require 100 people, your payroll is reduced to to $10,000,000, a saving of $90,000,000. Are you still with me? If you're a loony lefty, the clinton foundation gets it. If you support the right, you apply it to the deficit. Get it?

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Nov 20, 2017 15:59:01   #
Big Bass
 
JFlorio wrote:
Just so you know. I've conversed with her before. I doubt if you can keep it that simple. Just saying.


You're probably right. One needs the patience of Job to get it through. I'm too impatient.

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Nov 20, 2017 16:01:38   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Name a country that taxed it's way out of debt!
Quakerwidow wrote:
Certainly NOT from cutting taxes!

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Nov 20, 2017 16:31:30   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
JFlorio wrote:
Name a country that taxed it's way out of debt!


The United States of America. Yes, really. "On Jan. 8, 1835, all the big political names in Washington gathered to celebrate what President Andrew Jackson had just accomplished. A senator rose to make the big announcement: "Gentlemen ... the national debt ... is PAID.""

"When Jackson took office, the national debt was about $58 million. Six years later, it was all gone. Paid off. And the government was actually running a surplus, taking in more money than it was spending."

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/04/15/135423586/when-the-u-s-paid-off-the-entire-national-debt-and-why-it-didnt-last

The one and only time the US of A was completely debt-free and running on a surplus that they literally did not know what to do with. notice the bankers' involvement in the ending of those few moments of sanity.

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Nov 20, 2017 16:39:05   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
The United States of America. Yes, really. "On Jan. 8, 1835, all the big political names in Washington gathered to celebrate what President Andrew Jackson had just accomplished. A senator rose to make the big announcement: "Gentlemen ... the national debt ... is PAID.""

"When Jackson took office, the national debt was about $58 million. Six years later, it was all gone. Paid off. And the government was actually running a surplus, taking in more money than it was spending."

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/04/15/135423586/when-the-u-s-paid-off-the-entire-national-debt-and-why-it-didnt-last

The one and only time the US of A was completely debt-free and running on a surplus that they literally did not know what to do with. notice the bankers' involvement in the ending of those few moments of sanity.
The United States of America. Yes, really. "... (show quote)

Was it higher taxes that paid the debt off or more productivity?

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Nov 20, 2017 16:42:57   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
JFlorio wrote:
Was it higher taxes that paid the debt off or more productivity?


You should read the article I linked to. It's.... Complicated.

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Nov 20, 2017 16:44:28   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
You should read the article I linked to. It's.... Complicated.


I will.

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Nov 20, 2017 19:36:28   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
Grow the Economy... Bring Jobs and companies back to the US... People working are paying taxes... Lower the ones on welfare and food Stamps. Let the country prosper and bring the GDP higher than our Debt. People who live on their credit cards will always expect the finance companies will raise their spending limits or just get another credit card to pay for another... A Ponzi Scheme at it's worst.

A country that is borrowing to make ends meet is spending our children's future. Isn't this a type of Child Abuse that the Democrats and RINO's are so willing to invest in?

This is exactly what President Trump's trip to Asia was mostly about... Open and Fair Trade for all of the countries. Stop the Bullys from taking advantage of the weaker ones... Stop the Abuse

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Nov 21, 2017 05:39:46   #
Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
That went right over your head, didn't it?

Bottom line: You are the one doing the paying because you are the one with the money. You and the other 325 million people in this country. If corporate taxes rise, prices rise to compensate. If corporate taxes fall, prices fall to compensate. If corporate taxes go to zero, prices will fall significantly, because there will be less 'cost of doing business' to pay for. Did that get through?


Prices fall significantly? Dream on. Prices will stay the same and those with money who have had THEIR taxes significantly lowered will laugh all the way to the bank.

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Nov 21, 2017 05:56:42   #
roy
 
Quakerwidow wrote:
Prices fall significantly? Dream on. Prices will stay the same and those with money who have had THEIR taxes significantly lowered will laugh all the way to the bank.


You are correct,when will they ever figure it out ,put the money back in the middle class pocket and they will spend,business will reap the rewards.The way the right wants it is just put the money right into business and the riches pocket and they laugh all the way to the bank.Why would they want to create jobs when they have been giving a windfall.

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Nov 21, 2017 09:20:37   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
You're clueless. I am of the right as you call it. I am self-employed. Counting Social Security I pay almost half my money in taxes. Add that ridiculous Obamacare and it's well over half. The original tax plan proposed exempted the first $24,000 in income from being counted as income. I don't know about you but that would help me tremendously. As far as tax cuts go, follow me here, tax cuts go to those who pay taxes, or should. However;
if I was in congress I would demand for every $1.00 cut in tax $.50 would be cut from the Federal Budget. People get tax relief and the dollar becomes stronger.
roy wrote:
You are correct,when will they ever figure it out ,put the money back in the middle class pocket and they will spend,business will reap the rewards.The way the right wants it is just put the money right into business and the riches pocket and they laugh all the way to the bank.Why would they want to create jobs when they have been giving a windfall.

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Nov 21, 2017 10:44:07   #
roy
 
JFlorio wrote:
You're clueless. I am of the right as you call it. I am self-employed. Counting Social Security I pay almost half my money in taxes. Add that ridiculous Obamacare and it's well over half. The original tax plan proposed exempted the first $24,000 in income from being counted as income. I don't know about you but that would help me tremendously. As far as tax cuts go, follow me here, tax cuts go to those who pay taxes, or should. However;
if I was in congress I would demand for every $1.00 cut in tax $.50 would be cut from the Federal Budget. People get tax relief and the dollar becomes stronger.
You're clueless. I am of the right as you call it.... (show quote)


So if you got more money in your pocket can you afford to spend a little more to help the economy.what im saying is if the middle class has more money to spend then big bussiness will grow,but when you put the most tax cuts in big bussiness,and the rich pockets their going to pocket it.

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Nov 21, 2017 11:18:18   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Some times they pocket it. Some times they don't. I'm for everyone and every US entity within the continental US paying less taxes. Having a job is more important than paying less tax. I would do away with all loopholes however. More money to spend is a good thing. Quit looking down on the word corporation. Big business hire millions of Americans. If you want to be pissed about real or imagined unfairness blame politicians. They create loopholes and buy constituencies.
roy wrote:
So if you got more money in your pocket can you afford to spend a little more to help the economy.what im saying is if the middle class has more money to spend then big bussiness will grow,but when you put the most tax cuts in big bussiness,and the rich pockets their going to pocket it.

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Nov 21, 2017 12:42:24   #
GmanTerry
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
A contributor was wondering what impact a rise in interest rates would have on the US national debt...

"Imagine what the impact will be if rates returned to historic levels? E.H."

Good question, prompting the scary answer:

"Dear E.H. Not “if” rates returned to normal levels. It’s “when” they return to normal levels because that day will come."

Financial Armageddon, anyone?

https://nypost.com/2017/11/19/what-will-happen-to-us-debt-if-interest-rates-return-to-historic-levels/
A contributor was wondering what impact a rise in ... (show quote)


The simple answer is. The United States of America will go bankrupt. People like me on a government pension will also go bankrupt.

Semper Fi

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Nov 21, 2017 20:07:41   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
Ferrous wrote:
As long as the US has a National Debt of $20 Trillion, interests will be kept at historic lows... If the US ever again balances it's budget. then we will see better returns on our savings of the now less than 1%.

Some interesting facts:

As of July 31, 2017 the federal government’s total debt stands at $19.845 trillion
The nation’s debt is now bigger than its gross domestic product (GDP)
Net interest payments on the debt are estimated to total $276.2 billion this fiscal year (2017)...

According to the Treasury Department, the average interest rate on the public debt was 2.232%

Under current law, CBO projects that net interest costs will more than double over the next 10 years, soaring from $270 billion in 2017 to $712 billion in 2026 and totaling $4.8 trillion over the period.

Doom and Gloom, but not necessarily. We’ve been here before:

The Motley Fool

But there's another side to the story I've been thinking about, and it quiets the doom-and-gloom narrative down quickly.
The nation's finances have been here before. Worse, even. In 1946, just after World War II, public debt stood at 109% of GDP, compared with 77% today. And short-term interest rates hovered around 0%, just as they do today.
But from 1945 to 1980, interest rates surged from 0% to more than 11%. This is exactly what we fear happening today.
What did this rate spike do to the country's interest-payment bill? From start to finish, basically nothing:
• National debt was much higher in 1945 than it is now (in relation to the size of the economy).
• From 1945 to 1980, interest rates rose from 0% to 11%.
• This did virtually nothing to the real cost of paying interest on the national debt.
How can this be?

It's simple: We grew the economy faster than interest rates rose.

The government ran a deficit in 28 of the 35 years between 1945 and 1980, and national debt rose from $235 billion to $711 billion. But during that period, GDP (the size of the economy) increased from $227 billion to $2.9 trillion. So while the national debt a little more than doubled, the size of the economy increased more than tenfold.

Full article https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/09/16/what-happens-to-the-national-debt-when-interest-ra.aspx

And this is exactly what Trump is trying to do… Grow our Economy faster than Interests Rates rise… His plan is Jobs, jobs, jobs. Bring the Jobs, companies and money held over seas, while easing legislation that holds companies back. The only way out of this mess is to Fire up this Country's Economic Engine.

A debt-to-GDP ratio of 60% is quite often noted as a prudential limit for developed countries.
Our debt-to-GDP ratio is 106.1%
Top 10 Countries with Largest National Debt-to-GDP in 2017
Japan… 220.82%
Greece… 179%
Portugal… 138.08%
Italy… 137.81%
Bhutan… 118.6%
Cyprus… 115.47%
Belgium… 114.78%
United States… 106.1%
Spain… 105.76%
Singapore… 104.7%
As long as the US has a National Debt of $20 Trill... (show quote)



Unfortunately that 106% does not include our $200 Trillion in unfunded liabilities.

Never in the history of the world has "let it be so" currency ever survived. The USD will lose its reserve status and be replaced with a blockchain crypto currency controlled by the very same assholes who destroyed our currency to begin with.

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