padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Good! Actually, great!! Syria gave in. We stand taller when we stand alone against hysterical apologist for radical environmentalism. We have a president who is not a lemming. Obama was the leader of a rat pack. Say cheese!

buffalo Loc: Texas

How much Bakken oil did Buffet's BNSF trains spill? How many people did the oil pipeline leak kill? It is a proven fact that transporting oil by pipeline is safer than by rail. It was Buffet that poured MILLIONS into fighting the Keystone pipeline because irt would have cut into his profits of hauling the crude by rail.

http://www.businessinsider.com/north-dakota-town-evacuated-after-an-oil-train-derailed-and-caught-on-fire-2015-5

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2014/06/26/north-dakota-discloses-oil-train-shipment-details/

http://news.vice.com/article/warren-buffett-really-likes-oil-trains-despite-the-explosions

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2015/05/05/crude-oil-rail-shipments-sabotage-freedom-of-information-act/#6e19310554a4

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Buffalo,

We will be using every type of transport until we can cut down the amount of crude oil used world wide..

Looking up some information, as in the past, the biggest problem is that using a different perimeter gives a different answer.

So search using number of leaks, damage, cost of clean up, length of time for clean up, amount of average leak, % of total volume lost to leak..

They all give differing answers.. so I fall back to say we will be using all methods of transport..

As the Association of American Railroads points out, the volume of oil spilled by railcars is "less than 1 percent of the total pipeline spills." That's 2,268 barrels spilled by the railroads between 2002 and 2012, compared to 474,441 barrels spilled by pipeline operators over the same span, according to the Association's numbers.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Would the Association point out those numbers if they were reversed. Just asking?

Your statement about all those sources giving differing answers makes me wonder.

buffalo Loc: Texas

What your really against is crude oil period, eh?

CALGARY - A report by the Fraser Institute released Tuesday says pipeline is by far the safest way to transport oil when worker injury rates are compared, but it remains unclear which is the safest from an environmental standpoint.
Using data from the U.S. Department of Transportation between 2005 and 2009, the study found the rates of injury requiring hospitalization in the U.S. were 30 times lower among pipeline workers than rail workers involved in shipping oil.

For truck transport, the difference is even more stark, with an injury rate 37 times higher than oil transport by pipeline.

When it comes to spills, road transport fared the worst, with nearly 20 incidents per billion ton-miles. Rail had just over two incidents per billion ton miles while pipelines had less than 0.6 per billion tonne miles.

The report notes that pipelines tend to release more crude per spill than rail, but much of that is often recovered quickly.

With pipelines such as the controversial Keystone XL pipeline — which would connect Canadian crude to Texas refineries — in regulatory limbo, producers have been increasingly turning to rail to get their crude to market.

But concern over the safety of using that mode of transport has intensified since a runaway crude-laden train derailed in Lac- Megantic, Que., this summer, killing 47 people and destroying much of the downtown area.

"When you have more moving parts, more potential interactions with other non-controlled actors such as trains and trucks, the potential for accidents is higher when compared to pipelines," said Kenneth Green, one of the study's authors.

"It's not a completely simple comparison. When you have a pipeline spill the release volumes are higher than for a truck or train incident. But with road and rail, you have risk of more incidents in more places, so the overall question of environmental protection becomes unclear."

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/15/pipeline-oil-transport-safety-fraser-institute_n_4101362.html

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Roy, It was included.. I should have posted the whole thing to be fair.. I only posted one little part to show that by volume, rail lost a smaller about by far then pipelines.

If I had posted the damage or fatalities stats, it would have shown pipelines to be safer..

Let me see if I can find the link.....

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/are-pipelines-safer-than-railroads-for-carrying-oil/

Seems a very fair article.. good and bad for each method... but concludes we will be using all types..

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Buffalo,,

Yes, I am very much for reducing the use of fossil fuels as much as possible..

I posted a link for Old Roy.. If you look at that, it says pretty much the same as Fraser.

by volume, pipelines loose much more product, by safety standards, pipelines much better..

So we will use all for the next many decades..

the rebuilding of line #3 passes close to some land I own and I get material from both sides..

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I found reading all of your Reuters articles on your link to be enjoyable. Obviously the whole thing was aimed at climate change and the use of oil and coal to be something that not only Obama was against. Did you bother to read the whole string?

Can I call your attention to the fact that the newest tax suggestions in the House of Representatives shows that tax incentives for our most used renewable source of power have been largely removed? The paper I read this in is from Kansas and we have a high number of wind farms that will be hit hard with this tax reform. My representative says he will continue to fight for these taxes since not only the "farms" will suffer a number of manufacturers of the machinery for developing this kind of power will also suffer. Is it all Trump's fault that they are doing these things? I bet you have no more idea about this than you can get from your far left designers.

Did you pay a lot of attention to the size of that oil spill in your picture? I think not, but then you were only interested in getting things going toward climate change crap. Your title is what sucked me in since I don't want to worry about that kind of anti-Trump crap.

Lonewolf

pipelines leak all the time we just don't hear about all of them.

Lonewolf

there is no such thing as clean coal and oil is also on the way out, we have the technology to make clean energy
we need to keep these tax incentives till were fossil free let's give something to or grandchildren.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Oil and coal are natural resources created by God who in His foreknowledge saw that they would be of great benefit to man and make their life easier and more abundant. By the way, if there is no such thing as clean oil consider also there is no such thing as "clean dirt" but we grow our food in it with the able assistance of fossils fuels. Of course if you don't believe in God go ahead and starve.

Lonewolf

your missing the point wind and water and the sun are natural give by God why not use them and save the planet for the future generations

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Wind sailed our ships and water ground our corn and wheat assisted in some places by asses walking around in circles. We progressed beyond those days only by carbon based fuels. You can't feed, warm, cool and transport mankind today except by use of fossile and nuclear fuels. And as science progresses better sources of cheap power will emerge as it always has. But wind and solar ain't the be all and end all and man caused climate change is only in the feeble minds of those who think they are gods and can control the world and even change their sex. I used to find petrified sharks teeth in Wyoming. Now that sort of climate change will get my attention. Until then, stay in your safe place, quiver in fear and bake your cupcake in your solar converted Easy Bake Oven one cupcake at a time.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Padre,

You speak of progress but stop with fossil fuels..

saying one day we will have better systems.. those are here today..

Solar and wind as well as bio fuels do work, the nay Sayers are because the fossil fuel biz does not want to miss a nickle of profit from the fuel the control.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Solar and wind aren't free and you can be certain the Fed will tax it. Who makes the most from a gallon of gas the oil company or the taxes associated with it? Bio fuels are a farce! Hydrogen fusion will be the big breakthrough. There is more potential energy in one cubic mile of sea water than in all other sources combined. Until then we use fossile fuels.