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One of my ideas from 1& 1/2: years ago.
Nov 11, 2017 22:34:22   #
solarkin
 
So,
How about an American Union?
North and South.
.Not this mess they have going on in Europe,but a better way to strengthen and unite our hemisphere.
Americans, here in the US are constantly visiting the beautiful countries of Mexico, Belize ,Honduras,Costa Rico, Brazil, the Caribbean,Jamaica, Puerto Rico Nassau,Argentina,Peru, and so many others.
We trade with,and visit all these countries.
Our personal desires to travel and experience the culture and natural resources found south of us seem at odds with our political stance.
I don't see how we can become stronger without each other.
The sharing of our cultures and citizens is happening anyway.
Why not make it official ?
A common sense Union of these America's could be a good thing.We have much to offer.I believe we have much to learn as well.

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Nov 12, 2017 00:39:25   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
solarkin wrote:
So,
How about an American Union?
North and South.
.Not this mess they have going on in Europe,but a better way to strengthen and unite our hemisphere.
Americans, here in the US are constantly visiting the beautiful countries of Mexico, Belize ,Honduras,Costa Rico, Brazil, the Caribbean,Jamaica, Puerto Rico Nassau,Argentina,Peru, and so many others.
We trade with,and visit all these countries.
Our personal desires to travel and experience the culture and natural resources found south of us seem at odds with our political stance.
I don't see how we can become stronger without each other.
The sharing of our cultures and citizens is happening anyway.
Why not make it official ?
A common sense Union of these America's could be a good thing.We have much to offer.I believe we have much to learn as well.
So, br How about an American Union? br North and... (show quote)


It is a very interesting concept. If we look at what has been man kinds path. If we look at how man kind has advanced from family to clan to tribe city, state & Nation. Is it so far fetched to guess what the next step will be? Take a look at Europe's attempt to unite.

Some how I feel that most would like to rule a individual Nation (One of many) With the thought of controlling other Nations rather than being a less important person in a One World Government. So what we have is a World wide fight going on to protect our self from those that are only protecting them self from us. It is not a hard thing to see what the results of that has on most of Us.

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Nov 12, 2017 00:44:36   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
solarkin wrote:
So,
How about an American Union?
North and South.
.Not this mess they have going on in Europe,but a better way to strengthen and unite our hemisphere.
Americans, here in the US are constantly visiting the beautiful countries of Mexico, Belize ,Honduras,Costa Rico, Brazil, the Caribbean,Jamaica, Puerto Rico Nassau,Argentina,Peru, and so many others.
We trade with,and visit all these countries.
Our personal desires to travel and experience the culture and natural resources found south of us seem at odds with our political stance.
I don't see how we can become stronger without each other.
The sharing of our cultures and citizens is happening anyway.
Why not make it official ?
A common sense Union of these America's could be a good thing.We have much to offer.I believe we have much to learn as well.
So, br How about an American Union? br North and... (show quote)


No thanks! We have enough on our plate right here in the USA, and somehow the idea of joining politically with the South or any part of it, strikes me as rather stupid. There is Venezuela in that bunch and Cuba is somewhere in there too. But, most of all, we are Americans and should not forget it, or forget our Constitution. Then, too, that idea would require a new layer of government, which would bring us no end of heartache, and never mind the economic fiascos it would cause. Ditch the idea, it cannot survive.

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Nov 12, 2017 09:57:51   #
solarkin
 
Manning345 wrote:
No thanks! We have enough on our plate right here in the USA, and somehow the idea of joining politically with the South or any part of it, strikes me as rather stupid. There is Venezuela in that bunch and Cuba is somewhere in there too. But, most of all, we are Americans and should not forget it, or forget our Constitution. Then, too, that idea would require a new layer of government, which would bring us no end of heartache, and never mind the economic fiascos it would cause. Ditch the idea, it cannot survive.
No thanks! We have enough on our plate right here ... (show quote)


I wasn't suggesting any kind of change in any Individual Nations autonomy.

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Nov 12, 2017 10:54:45   #
solarkin
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
It is a very interesting concept. If we look at what has been man kinds path. If we look at how man kind has advanced from family to clan to tribe city, state & Nation. Is it so far fetched to guess what the next step will be? Take a look at Europe's attempt to unite.

Some how I feel that most would like to rule a individual Nation (One of many) With the thought of controlling other Nations rather than being a less important person in a One World Government. So what we have is a World wide fight going on to protect our self from those that are only protecting them self from us. It is not a hard thing to see what the results of that has on most of Us.
It is a very interesting concept. If we look at wh... (show quote)


I wasn't thinking about a change in any nations political process,although some clearly need help.The idea is more about trade, and how each individual nation could benefit from the resources that each has.

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Nov 12, 2017 11:55:49   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
We have a mechanism in place to address trade between the US and other nations. It is the Mutual Trade Agreement, and it is negotiated nation by nation. This accounts for the vast economic, social and political differences in each prospective partner, and allows us to effect beneficial exchanges with each one. In your idea, we would somehow have a blanket Union trade agreement, which, to be effective, would have to have nation by nation agreements in any event, or it would not be fair to all. Thus, I do not see the value in a Union, or a common currency either.

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Nov 12, 2017 12:05:00   #
solarkin
 
Manning345 wrote:
We have a mechanism in place to address trade between the US and other nations. It is the Mutual Trade Agreement, and it is negotiated nation by nation. This accounts for the vast economic, social and political differences in each prospective partner, and allows us to effect beneficial exchanges with each one. In your idea, we would somehow have a blanket Union trade agreement, which, to be effective, would have to have nation by nation agreements in any event, or it would not be fair to all. Thus, I do not see the value in a Union, or a common currency either.
We have a mechanism in place to address trade betw... (show quote)


No common currency needed.
Just a way to strengthen our hemisphere .

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Nov 12, 2017 18:56:55   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
solarkin wrote:
I wasn't thinking about a change in any nations political process,although some clearly need help.The idea is more about trade, and how each individual nation could benefit from the resources that each has.


The European Union started out as a 'common market' economy. Just look how far that's come. Single market, single currency, single government (run out of Brussels), what's not to like? Apparently there's something not quite right, just ask the British who, by the way, weren't dumb enough to give away their monetary sovereignty like the others. 'Brexit', anyone?

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Nov 13, 2017 09:17:22   #
solarkin
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
The European Union started out as a 'common market' economy. Just look how far that's come. Single market, single currency, single government (run out of Brussels), what's not to like? Apparently there's something not quite right, just ask the British who, by the way, weren't dumb enough to give away their monetary sovereignty like the others. 'Brexit', anyone?


Exactly, an example Not to follow.

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Nov 13, 2017 11:01:28   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
If you are going to be a debt slave to a system how is a single system of government worse that 200 or so Nations enslaving their members.

Now it is a wonderful idea to have more that many others but in America today people never seem to be happy with what they have. It is always about having more.

The faults built in to the system find & increasing numbers of people unhappy with the system. Even those that have many perks.

In the World today in all Nations only the few in each country share the bulk of the wealth.

Nothing is going to change very much for most of us.. There will be fewer at the very top. Supporting our leaders is a very expensive undertaking.
The hope is that we will have fewer leaders to support.

I say we have qualified people to be leaders through out the system & a never ending supply of people willing to move up through the system to replace he greediest. The greediest can & should be replace by those less greedy.

That is the only way it can or will be changed. Each of us has to say when our basic need are met. I have enough & wish to leave enough for others to meet their needs. Bring our personal wants under control. The elimination of wars or armed conflict will go a long way to meeting that end.
It is people like our self that conduct most of every thing that is done in the world. We don't need a lot of leaders.

What most people that don't share in the big gains of wealth now. Will be taxed less in supporting the Military Industrial Complex.

That money could be spent on improving the things that make this planet more livable.

Constructive rather than destructive actions.

Fight it all you want but the path we are on now is not making things better for most of us.

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Nov 13, 2017 20:41:31   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
If you are going to be a debt slave to a system how is a single system of government worse that 200 or so Nations enslaving their members.


'If' you are going to be a debt slave? What 'if' I refuse to join that less than attractive club? What 'if' I decide I'd just as soon live in a Constitutional Republic and let the rest of the world be slaves if they so choose? Is that OK with you? Is that OK with 'them'? Way too many 'ifs' for my liking.

To answer the rest of the question, I have no idea how or even if a single system of government is better or worse than what I live under now. I'd be perfectly happy in not finding out one way or the other. I don't want to be some bureaucrat's lab rat. Thanks, but no thanks. Don't call me, I'll call you; not.

Anyway, I guess I negated the whole question by refusing to be a debt slave in the first instance. After that, the rest of it just kinda falls apart...

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Nov 14, 2017 11:28:58   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
'If' you are going to be a debt slave? What 'if' I refuse to join that less than attractive club? What 'if' I decide I'd just as soon live in a Constitutional Republic and let the rest of the world be slaves if they so choose? Is that OK with you? Is that OK with 'them'? Way too many 'ifs' for my liking.

To answer the rest of the question, I have no idea how or even if a single system of government is better or worse than what I live under now. I'd be perfectly happy in not finding out one way or the other. I don't want to be some bureaucrat's lab rat. Thanks, but no thanks. Don't call me, I'll call you; not.

Anyway, I guess I negated the whole question by refusing to be a debt slave in the first instance. After that, the rest of it just kinda falls apart...
'If' you are going to be a debt slave? What 'if' ... (show quote)


I can't fault you for being a good little conservative. After all these years you have been brain washed.

I am sorry too say but you are misinformed. Our money is backed by debt to the Federal Reserve.
They take our tax money to pay the interest.

The Banks gamble with your money & pay you less that it is worth in interest.
If they risk it for big gains & keep the gains if any.

I think you should look at just how shaky this Nation's Banks are in. All most all of our money is tied up in computers some where.
There is not enough cash in circulation to pay one days spending by individuals.
If every one went to ATM's to draw out cash they would shut down. It would be a run on the Banks that would shut down banking.

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